Senator Pamela Wallin next to resign.

[Sal]

wow, fabulous spin, if you get caught, pretend it is because you were persuing corruption and exposed it not because some fat waste of breath messed up and set off alarm bells.

I think they should go to jail.

These people are psychopaths...no shame, no conscience, that is the type of person that manages to crawl up this high, the honest guys get eaten alive before they make it this far.

Systemic issues. We need to change the system.

 

[tay]

The audit has cost taxpayers more than $126,000 already!?


Wallin told the auditors that she was asked to be "a different kind" of senator, one who was more active in the community, and that she was told by Senator David Tkachuk early in her tenure that travel to events would be eligible for reimbursement.

Wallin explained the changes she made to her calendar when she spoke to reporters on Monday. She said she was advised to make changes by Tkachuk, the former chair of the internal economy committee.

Tkachuk said Tuesday that her explanation for the changes "makes no sense whatsoever."


Pamela Wallin's 'troubling' expense audit headed to RCMP - Politics - CBC News

 

[Sal]

The audit has cost taxpayers more than $126,000 already!?


Wallin told the auditors that she was asked to be "a different kind" of senator, one who was more active in the community, and that she was told by Senator David Tkachuk early in her tenure that travel to events would be eligible for reimbursement.

Wallin explained the changes she made to her calendar when she spoke to reporters on Monday. She said she was advised to make changes by Tkachuk, the former chair of the internal economy committee.

Tkachuk said Tuesday that her explanation for the changes "makes no sense whatsoever."


Pamela Wallin's 'troubling' expense audit headed to RCMP - Politics - CBC News

yeah, burns my azz.

 

[tay]

What is curious (maybe not so curious) in this whole affair is the lack of comment from the prime minister or his office. Securing Wallin as a Conservative senator was an obvious triumph for Harper, who seeks eloquent spokespeople to advance the government's agenda on key issues like criminal justice and defence. Moreover, because Wallin had worked with a previous Liberal government -- she was appointed by Jean Chrétien as consul general in New York City -- she was seen as less destructively partisan than other potential (or actual) Senate choices who were obvious political favourites scooping up their lifetime achievement awards.

Wallin seemed like one of Harper's best and smartest choices for the Senate -- but he has done nothing since to defend her. For a man who (allegedly) is supremely committed to reforming the Senate, his silence and apparent disinterest in the current implosion in the upper chamber is somewhat unsettling.

Now that the file is before the RCMP, there will be a continued chorus of 'no comment' from Harper and the PMO. But regardless of the final verdict on Senator Wallin, those senators looking to do an honest day's work and actually contribute to public life should not have to guess if they are breaking the rules. They require clearer direction and better leadership from this government.

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The Tyee – Is Pamela Wallin Being Hung out to Dry?

 

[Durry]

Not sure what the RCMP is going to do with this audit.

She may have spent a lot of money and spent it on non Senator business, but non the less she did spend the money and got her expense account approved by someone in the Senate with approval authority.
I don't think the audit ever showed that she made out expense accounts to only pocket non-spent money.

I think the Senate could have case for a civil action against her, but I don't see any evidence that she committed any criminal activity.

Seems like the RCMP just want some of the limelight and they are looking to ways to improve their public image!! Like good luck!!

 

[Dixie Cup]

The fact that she tried to "edit" her diary/logs regarding her travel expenses tells me she knew she had made charges she wasn't entitled to (premeditation) and, to my way of thinking, she should be charged with fraud - no ifs, ands or buts!!

JMO

 

[Durry]

Editing your diary or log is not a crime and it does not constitute fraud !!

 

[Sal]

Editing your diary or log is not a crime and it does not constitute fraud !!

it is when you are desparately trying to cover the $100"s of thousands of dollars you have stolen from the coffers of the taxpayers

I think you are the first person, liberal or conservative that is okey dokey with what these slime bags have done

 

[Durry]

it is when you are desparately trying to cover the $100"s of thousands of dollars you have stolen from the coffers of the taxpayers

I think you are the first person, liberal or conservative that is okey dokey with what these slime bags have done

No I'm not ok with it, but I am only commenting on this issue from a legal criminal perspective.

There is evidence that she spent loads of taxpayer money, but there is NO evidence that she stole it.

There seems to be a lot of blame to go around to a lot of people, bad management etc, but no evidence she had stolen any..
Remember bad mangers don't go to jail for making bad decisions..

Remember the Liberals lost $40 million dollars in the Quebec separation scandal and no body went to jail there either.

 

[Sal]

No I'm not ok with it, but I am only commenting on this issue from a legal criminal perspective.

There is evidence that she spent loads of taxpayer money, but there is NO evidence that she stole it.

There seems to be a lot of blame to go around to a lot of people, bad management etc, but no evidence she had stolen any..
Remember bad mangers don't go to jail for making bad decisions..

Remember the Liberals lost $40 million dollars in the Quebec separation scandal and no body went to jail there either.

But someone should have...

From a criminal perspective, she should go to jail and so should Duffy and likely a whole lot more...if someone did this in the public sector they would be going to trail. These scoundrels should too.

She should not get her pension nor be allowed to sit as an independent.

Misappropriation of funds is theft and these people need to be made accountable..if they can't even figure out what expenses are appropriate how are they supposed to be capable of running a country...this needs to be over...we need to stand up and say; "no more"

 

[Mowich]

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[Durry]

But someone should have...

From a criminal perspective, she should go to jail and so should Duffy and likely a whole lot more...if someone did this in the public sector they would be going to trail. These scoundrels should too.

She should not get her pension nor be allowed to sit as an independent.

Misappropriation of funds is theft and these people need to be made accountable..if they can't even figure out what expenses are appropriate how are they supposed to be capable of running a country...this needs to be over...we need to stand up and say; "no more"

I hear what your saying, but again you have define what specific criminal law did she break?

Misappropriation of funds is not nessessarily a crime unless it was done to specifically benefit someone financially and intentionally.

This whole senate fiasco is just very bad and lack management of finances.
But again, there is no crime in being a bad financial manager..

 

[Sal]

I hear what your saying, but again you have define what specific criminal law did she break?

Misappropriation of funds is not nessessarily a crime unless it was done to specifically benefit someone financially and intentionally.

This whole senate fiasco is just very bad and lack management of finances.
But again, there is no crime in being a bad financial manager..

I believe that is arguable just by dictionary definition alone:

misappropriation n. the intentional, illegal use of the property or funds of another person for one's own use or other unauthorized purpose, particularly by a public official, a trustee of a trust, an executor or administrator of a dead person's estate, or by any person with a responsibility to care for and protect another's assets (a fiduciary duty). It is a felony (a crime punishable by a prison sentence). (See: fiduciary, embezzlement, theft, larceny)

 

[petros]

Busted!!!!

 

[JLM]

Not sure what the RCMP is going to do with this audit.

She may have spent a lot of money and spent it on non Senator business, but non the less she did spend the money and got her expense account approved by someone in the Senate with approval authority.
I don't think the audit ever showed that she made out expense accounts to only pocket non-spent money.

I think the Senate could have case for a civil action against her, but I don't see any evidence that she committed any criminal activity.

Seems like the RCMP just want some of the limelight and they are looking to ways to improve their public image!! Like good luck!!

Yeah right, so from your "reasoning" she could use her expense account to recover any "spent" money.......... like money spent in the casino. - You're a barrel of laughs!

I hear what your saying, but again you have define what specific criminal law did she break?

Misappropriation of funds is not nessessarily a crime unless it was done to specifically benefit someone financially and intentionally.

This whole senate fiasco is just very bad and lack management of finances.
But again, there is no crime in being a bad financial manager..

And for just what other reason would you do it?

 

[Durry]

I believe that is arguable just by dictionary definition alone:

misappropriation n. the intentional, illegal use of the property or funds of another person for one's own use or other unauthorized purpose, particularly by a public official, a trustee of a trust, an executor or administrator of a dead person's estate, or by any person with a responsibility to care for and protect another's assets (a fiduciary duty). It is a felony (a crime punishable by a prison sentence). (See: fiduciary, embezzlement, theft, larceny)

Well that's one definition, it's still pretty vague!!
You have to remember her expense accounts were approved before she got paid. She just didn't go to the till and withdraw expense money for herself.

Anyways, I guess this is one area the RCMP can make a call on, but my guess is that she will not be charged with breaking any criminal laws.
But, because the senate has asked her to repay funds, I'm sure that if she refused, the senate would take civil action against her to recover these funds.

 

[Sal]

Anyways, I guess this is one area the RCMP can make a call on, but my guess is that she will not be charged with breaking any criminal laws.

you guess correctly
she's a thief and as low as they come and so is Duffy and they are just the ones who got caught...but she won't be charged because if she is charged they will all be charged and all parties will circle the wagons together because they have been sucking at the trough for so long it is considered A-okay kinda theft

don't do as they do though...you will be jailed, count on it, no need to guess

 

[JLM]

Well that's one definition, it's still pretty vague!!
You have to remember her expense accounts were approved before she got paid. She just didn't go to the till and withdraw expense money for herself.

Anyways, I guess this is one area the RCMP can make a call on, but my guess is that she will not be charged with breaking any criminal laws.
But, because the senate has asked her to repay funds, I'm sure that if she refused, the senate would take civil action against her to recover these funds.

There are no reasonable grounds on which she could be not charged and to neglect to do so would set a very dangerous precedent. So what if her expenses were approved for payment! That just means there one more crook that is as bad or worse than she it. Lock the felons up!

 

[petros]

There are no reasonable grounds on which she could be not charged and to neglect to do so would set a very dangerous precedent. So what if her expenses were approved for payment! That just means there one more crook that is as bad or worse than she it. Lock the felons up!

In Canada they are called indictables.

 

[JLM]

you guess correctly
she's a thief and as low as they come and so is Duffy and they are just the ones who got caught...but she won't be charged because if she is charged they will all be charged and all parties will circle the wagons together because they have been sucking at the trough for so long it is considered A-okay kinda theft

don't do as they do though...you will be jailed, count on it, no need to guess

I think we are finally getting down to the nitty gritty. Harper knows full well if this fiasco isn't properly resolved, his head will roll in the next election.