Selective Discrimination by Quebec Soccer Federation - Hijabs ok but Turbans not

Durry

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How about a little Reasonable Accommodation from these religious groups.

Surely they can dispense with their religious stuff for an hour or so to accommodate a game of sports .

Is that asking for too much in a multicultural society ??
 

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How about a little Reasonable Accommodation from these religious groups.

Surely they can dispense with their religious stuff for an hour or so to accommodate a game of sports .

Is that asking for too much in a multicultural society ??

We tired that with the Residential Shools. It didn't turn out too well.
 

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Yup.
 

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Looks like Montreal City Council will demand the Quebec Soccer Federation reverse it's decision. I guess the province has been taking a lot of bad heat. I'm surprised heads haven't started to roll yet.

CBC News

Montreal city council to debate soccer turban ban
Political fallout from Quebec Soccer Federation's ban on Sikh turbans widen
Posted: Jun 5, 2013 10:12 PM ET

It's the City of Montreal's turn to debate the Quebec Soccer Federation's decision banning Sikhs from wearing turbans on the soccer field, as the political fallout from the controversy widens.

Councillor Marvin Rotrand tweeted late Wednesday that he will present an emergency motion demanding the federation reverse its decision at council's June 17 meeting.

The mayor of Villeray–Saint-Michel–Parc-Extension, Anie Samson, and Côte-des-Neiges–Notre-Dame-de-Grace councillor Lionel Perez have both offered to support the motion.

The federation's announcement was the subject of debate earlier this week during Question Period in the House of Commons.

"We believe that amateur sports like soccer should encourage the participation of children rather than exclude them," said Bal Gosal, the minister of state for sport. "We see no valid reason why kids should be banned from playing soccer because of their religion."

Quebec federation alone in Canada

Quebec's federation is the only one across Canada to ban turbans and the headwear younger Sikh boys often wear, keskis and patkas.

The Canadian Soccer Association has called for provincial federations to allow religious headcoverings "as long as it doesn't pose any danger to the player wearing it or any other player."

The Liberal MNA for Notre-Dame-de-Grâce, Kathleen Weil, urged the federation to be more flexible.

"People have to stop finding refuge in rules and just think about the issue at hand, to think about what's best for people," Weil said. "Families are asking for the right for their children to play soccer."
 

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So then you are ok with them wearing their turbans instead of law enforced bike helmets, turbans instead of helmets in our military, turbans instead of the black fury hat on Queens guard, turbans in our Navy instead of caps, turbans instead of hockey helmets,, etc etc

Where are you drawing the line??

Let's draw the line at bigotry.
 

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How about a little Reasonable Accommodation from these religious groups.

Surely they can dispense with their religious stuff for an hour or so to accommodate a game of sports .

Is that asking for too much in a multicultural society ??

You would fit right in with those Quebecers. But, but, but they are Easterners.
Guess they forget who makes the rules. Not them. The National Assn does.

Quebec Turban ban: CSA says Quebec body was wrong | Canada | News | National Post
MONTREAL — The Canadian Soccer Association says a provincial association has no right to ban turban-wearing youth from playing.

The organization is wading into a controversy over the Quebec Soccer Federation’s decision to restrict turban-wearing Sikhs from the pitch.

The Ottawa-based organization says it is currently discussing the matter with the provincial body, as a top priority, and it expects the position to be revised.

“[This] is the governing body for the sport in the country,” a Canadian association official, requesting anonymity, said Friday.

Quebec’s federation says it’s concerned about safety and points out that the rules of the world governing body, FIFA, don’t specifically allow turbans. Critics of the Quebec decision point out that FIFA’s rules don’t explicitly ban turbans, either.

The move has drawn some international news coverage and condemnation from many federal politicians, especially within the Conservative government and the Opposition Liberals.

But within Quebec, aside from the occasional critical newspaper column, there has been little sign of a public backlash.
 

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I heard on the radio this morning that the Canadian Soccer Association has suspended the Quebec Soccer Federation.

Good. Maybe now the Quebec Soccer Federation can finally tell us why they allow the hijab but not the turban. I am very curious to know the reason.
 

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The New York Times
Canadian Conflict Grows Out of Quebec Soccer Federation’s Ban on Turbans

By SAM BORDEN and IAN AUSTEN
Published: June 11, 2013

The newest intersection of soccer and cultural controversy has an unusual address — Canada.

The Canadian Soccer Association on Monday suspended the Quebec Soccer Federation, which oversees leagues of all ages in the province, after it refused to comply with a national directive permitting players who wear turbans to participate in games.

A spokeswoman for the national governing body said it sent a memo to all of its local associations in April, affirming its position that turbans and two other types of headwear — patkas and keski — were allowed to be worn by players. That provision was successfully applied everywhere in Canada, the spokeswoman said, except for Quebec; the Quebec Soccer Federation, known as F.S.Q., voted earlier this month to ban such headwear, saying it was concerned that it presented a safety issue.

Brigitte Frot, the director general of the F.S.Q., told reporters last week that she was unaware of any injuries directly caused by players wearing turbans, but believed they should be banned anyway. Asked during a teleconference what she would say to a young child who was unable to play because of the rule, she said: “They can play in their backyard, but not with official referees, not in the official rules of soccer. They have no choice.”

Aneel Samra, an 18-year-old student from Montreal who was affected by the ban on turbans, called Frot’s comments “one of the most disrespectful things I’ve ever heard.”

In an interview Tuesday, Samra added: “I’ve played for 11 years, but this year I didn’t even register because they told me I couldn’t play. It’s ridiculous.”

Frot and other F.S.Q. officials were not made available for comment Tuesday. Leaders of the organization were said to be planning a meeting for Tuesday night to discuss the suspension. Frot previously said her organization was taking its direction from FIFA, the governing body of world soccer, which does not clearly state that turbans are allowed.

Critics of the F.S.Q.’s decision note, however, that FIFA, which has explicit rules regarding uniforms, also does not unequivocally ban turbans in the way that it does, say, jewelry. Many other countries, including the United States, allow players to wear turbans and other religious head coverings, like skullcaps, as long as the referee does not deem them to be dangerous.

The turban ban has played out against a familiar backdrop. Quebec’s French-speaking majority long ago went from being dominated politically and socially by the Roman Catholic church to being the most secular people in Canada. Only about 15 percent of Quebecers attend church, and most people in the province long ago rejected its teachings on birth control, same-sex marriage and abortion.

But the question of how to deal with immigrants’ cultural religious practices remains a thorny issue in the province, where there are about 9,200 Sikhs, according to recent census data. Months of public hearings on the subject in 2007 and 2008 showed that many French-speaking Quebecers felt anxious that their identity and language would be threatened by making allowances for the ways of others. The special commission called that a crisis of perception, and the evidence suggested that the worry was strongest in parts of the province with relatively few immigrants.

Daniel Weinstock, a philosopher and a professor at McGill University’s law school in Montreal, said the fact that the soccer federation’s bans largely involved children’s play have made them stand out.

“Even if the motivations of the federation are completely innocent and bureaucratic, this has been set into a toxic culture of us and them,” Weinstock said. After initially staying out of the turban debate, Quebec’s separatist Parti Québécois government took the side of the federation Tuesday.

Speaking to reporters, Pauline Marois, the Quebec premier, avoided discussing the safety issues. She turned the issue instead into an example of Canada unjustly telling Quebec what to do, a common theme of the separatist movement.
“I think the Quebec federation has the right to establish its own regulations,” she said. “It is autonomous, not subject to the Canadian federation.”

Soccer was at the center of another accommodation debate during those hearings after the Quebec federation in 2007 banned the use of hijabs, Muslim head scarfs, from play, a move matched by the province’s taekwondo federation. Then, as now with turbans, safety was the soccer federation’s ostensible concern. The hijab ban was finally lifted last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/s...ut-of-quebec-federations-turban-ban.html?_r=0

Interesting article by the New York Times. Note on the last paragraph quoted above, it states that the hijab head covering is permitted by the Quebec Soccer Federation, yet the turban is not. I guess there must be some magical safety issue that is present with the turban, but not with the hijab? Or could be an act of racism targeting a specific ethnic group? Questions .. .questions ...
 

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It's because they're Muslims. Mustn't upset the Muslims. They're entitled to special treatment.
 

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How many times do you think people will need it pointed out that the Quebec Soccer Federation had banned hijabs for more than five years? And girls in hijabs still can't play in tournament play last I heard, while 'safety concerns' are ironed out.
 

Durry

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Religion has no place in sports!!
Sports is not about which religion is better or which religion makes you a better player, so it shouldn't be on any display in anyway on the sports field.

Sikhs should learn to be more accommodating of western societies!! Accommodation is a two way street, maybe somebody has not informed Sikhs of this!!

Canadians have already been more than accommodating of the Sikhs, for instance Sikhs are not required to wear helmets on motor bikes in BC, even tho everybody else has to because its the law. It's only the Sikhs that have gotten a pass on this law!!

Whatever happened to separation between church and state?? Eh??