Sciense is a religion by itself.

[Dexter Sinister]

It means that according to Probability theory it is impossible to create by chance Intellect Existence during 14 billions years after ‘big bang’.

Not impossible, just very low probability, but chance isn't how biological evolution works anyway.

 

[Goober]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_(spacecraft)
Kepler is a space observatory launched by NASA to discover Earth-like planets orbiting other stars.[4] The spacecraft, named in honor of the 17th-century German astronomer Johannes Kepler,[5] was launched on 7 March 2009,[6] and has been active for 3 years, 10 months and 12 days as of January 19, 2013.[7][6]
The Kepler observatory is "specifically designed to survey a portion of our region of the Milky Way galaxy to discover dozens of Earth-size planets in or near the habitable zone and determine how many of the billions of stars in our galaxy have such planets."[8] A photometer continually monitors the brightness of over 145,000 main sequence stars in a fixed field of view.[9] This data is transmitted to Earth, then analyzed to detect periodic dimming caused by extrasolar planets that cross in front of their host star. As of January 2013, there are a total of 2,740 candidates.[10][11] In January 2013, astronomers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) used Kepler's data to estimate that "at least 17 billion" Earth-sized exoplanets reside in the Milky Way Galaxy.[12]

NASA - Kepler

NASA - Billions and Billions of Planets
Billions of them
Look up at the night sky and you'll see stars, sure. But the sky is also filled with planets -- billions and billions of them at least.

That's the conclusion of a new study by astronomers at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, which provides yet more evidence that planetary systems are the cosmic norm. The team made their estimate while analyzing planets orbiting a star called Kepler-32 -- planets that are representative, they say, of the vast majority of planets in our galaxy and thus serve as a perfect case study for understanding how most of these worlds form.

"There are at least 100 billion planets in the galaxy, just our galaxy," says John Johnson, assistant professor of planetary astronomy at Caltech and coauthor of the study, which was recently accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal. "That's mind-boggling."

"It's a staggering number, if you think about it," adds Jonathan Swift, a postdoctoral student at Caltech and lead author of the paper. "Basically, there's one of these planets per star."

One of the fundamental questions regarding the origin of planets is how many of them there are. Like the Caltech group, other teams of astronomers have estimated that there is roughly one planet per star, but this is the first time researchers have made such an estimate by studying M-dwarf systems, the most numerous population of planets known.

 

[L Gilbert]

You just keep with your team then, at least you'll be seen as a loyal sort,

I will, yes. I follow the evidence, not some half-baked hypothesis full of ideas that ignore and misapply scientific laws and whatnot.

you know the band kept playing while the Titanic sank as well.

So you want me to get you a snorkel or something?

The ancients believed that consciousness did not require a material body. Oddly enough the mind is postulated to exist outside of the material human body

lmao That explains your posts. Thanks for that laugh.

Not impossible, just very low probability, but chance isn't how biological evolution works anyway.

Right. DNA is very deliberate and has pinpoint aim.

 

[socratus]

The ancients believed that consciousness did not require a material body.
Oddly enough the mind is postulated to exist outside of the material human body
but inside that bodies electromagnetic field,
which binds it to that body until the field degenerates below the bond requirements.
I'm very frightened to mention Morphogenic Field Research because of the local science inquisition.
Let There Be Light - On Genesis

The ancients knew something that we have forgotten.
Plato said that :
‘Our ancestors were far greater than we are today. ...’
' Our ancestors were nearer to the nature than we are'

And Gerald Crabtree, a geneticist at Stanford university
wrote on Tuesday 13 November 2012 :
‘Why it's unlikely we are more stupid than our hunter-gatherer ancestors’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/13/unlikely-we-more-stupid-hunter-gatherers

And someone wrote: ‘We are less intelligent than our ancestors’
=======.
Maybe our ancestors knew about ‘God particles’ very long time ago.
=.

Right.
DNA is very deliberate and has pinpoint aim.

To have a ' pinpoint aim' - it needs to have a brain.
===.

 

[Cliffy]

Can't reply to soc.

 

[Cliffy]

Not a brain so much as a consciousness which doesn't need a brain. A worm, a bacteria, the planet, the galaxy, everything has a consciousness. And I agree, that the ancients probably knew more than we do. We lost intelligence when we severed our connection to the natural order, to natural law and made ourselves as gods. We have become trapped in our egos and think we know everything. We don't know squat.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Can't reply to socratus? That's interesting, I usually can't either, I thought it was just me and my paranoid security settings in Firefox, but the same thing happens with IE and Chrome at their default settings. I click on "full reply," enter my comments, and on preview I see neither his text nor mine, just the "Quote has been trimmed" message in square brackets. I tried "full reply" to your comment #85 above and the same thing happened, and I note that it's in blue the same as socratus' posts. I think it's some code that gets into his posts, related to his choice of fonts and colours. Sometimes it works, I can reply normally citing some or all of his text, but then I find I have no control over the fonts and colours in my text.

 

[darkbeaver]

Rather than being the most advanced human generation ever we are the miserable degenerate remnants of great intelligence. Like Cliffy says we know squat. A balanced education begins with the realization that we know squat and that contrary to popular drivel we certainly cannot do or become anything we like.

 

[Cliffy]

Can't reply to socratus? That's interesting, I usually can't either, I thought it was just me and my paranoid security settings in Firefox, but the same thing happens with IE and Chrome at their default settings. I click on "full reply," enter my comments, and on preview I see neither his text nor mine, just the "Quote has been trimmed" message in square brackets. I tried "full reply" to your comment #85 above and the same thing happened, and I note that it's in blue the same as socratus' posts. I think it's some code that gets into his posts, related to his choice of fonts and colours. Sometimes it works, I can reply normally citing some or all of his text, but then I find I have no control over the fonts and colours in my text.

Yup, he must be using some code that really doesn't agree with this site's code. I farted around with thst for a long time. I even came back 2 hours later and nothing. I noticed that the edit icon for my post was still active, so I waited until this morning, when the edit icon had gone and posted the reply again. This time it worked.

 

[darkbeaver]

The ancients knew something that we have forgotten.
Plato said that :
‘Our ancestors were far greater than we are today. ...’
' Our ancestors were nearer to the nature than we are'

And Gerald Crabtree, a geneticist at Stanford university
wrote on Tuesday 13 November 2012 :
‘Why it's unlikely we are more stupid than our hunter-gatherer ancestors’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/13/unlikely-we-more-stupid-hunter-gatherers

And someone wrote: ‘We are less intelligent than our ancestors’
=======. Maybe our ancestors knew about ‘God particles’ very long time ago. To have a ' pinpoint aim' - it needs to have a brain. ===.

The ancients knew about the god mind the the material brain was just matter, mud, clay.

 

[Cliffy]

Exactly.

 

[darkbeaver]

Galaxy Cluster 2XMM J083026+524133 (blue). Original image credit: G. Lamer et al.


Jan 18, 2013
A distant galaxy cluster is said to exhibit evidence for an unknown force. Not a single reference is made to the most powerful known force in the Universe: electricity.
The European Space Agency’s XMM Newton X-ray Telescope research team has found a grouping of galaxies containing more than 1000 times the mass of our own Milky Way in what they believe to be the most distant reaches of the Universe.
The speed of light is used as a benchmark for defining cosmological distance calculations: the shifting of Fraunhofer lines into the red end of observed spectra determines “recessional velocity”. As standard theories dictate, the faster an object recedes from Earth, the farther away it is and the older it is because the Big Bang explosion is said to have imparted an inertial impulse that is causing the Universe to expand. Based on those theoretical parameters, a faster recessional velocity means greater distance, which means an earlier time period.
According to Georg Lamar and his colleagues from the Astrophysikalisches Institut in Potsdam, massive galaxy clusters with such high redshift are rare when they shine so brightly at X-ray wavelengths. As the ESA press release states, the presence of “hot gas” encompassing the cluster with temperatures of 100 million Kelvin makes J083026+524133 the most energetic X-ray source at z > = 1 redshift – 100 times brighter than any other galaxy cluster at that distance.
Such a massive cluster with a 7.7 billion year age estimate is thought to confirm the existence of dark energy because dark energy causes acceleration in the expansion of the Universe. That acceleration makes it more difficult for massive clusters like J083026+524133 to hold together in more recent times because the dark energy expansion wants to tear them apart.
Astronomers made this disconcerting find ten years ago, that the Universe is expanding faster today than it did in the past. In order to accommodate anomalous redshift observations the existence of a force that exerts negative pressure on gravitational fields was proposed and later called “dark energy” because it cannot be detected with any instrument.
Enzo Brachini from the European Organization for Astronomical Research in the Southern Hemisphere (ESO) wrote: “This implies that one of two very different possibilities must hold true. Either the Universe is filled with a mysterious dark energy which produces a repulsive force that fights the gravitational brake from all the matter present in the Universe, or, our current theory of gravitation is not correct and needs to be modified, for example by adding extra dimensions to space.”
Presumptions are difficult to overcome. The inability of conventional researchers to understand several factors hampers their ability to grasp the fundamental nature of the cosmos. The quoted comments are a perfect example of the absurd conclusions that can be drawn when electricity in space is ignored.
Two of the most pressing issues in the modern approach to understanding the Universe are the adherence to redshift as the only tool for estimating distances and ages of stars and galaxies, and a lack of knowledge when it comes to electricity.
First, in order to advance the catalogue of knowledge it often requires one’s reputation and livelihood be placed on the block and the axe allowed to fall where it may. It takes real courage to buck the system and stand on one’s convictions despite antagonism. Such is the case with Halton Arp, one of the grand masters in the field of astronomical research.
Dr. Arp earned his place at the top of his field through years of research and many lonely hours on cold mountain peaks documenting far-flung celestial objects. As his galactic compendium grew, he noticed that there was something wrong with conventional time-speed-distance calculations – he found objects with higher redshift values in front of objects with lower redshift. Surely, such a conundrum should have immediately called into question the very nature of that “cosmological constant”.
If redshift is not an indicator of distance, J083026+524133 may not be so far away and therefore not so massive or bright. As Arp and his colleagues have repeatedly shown, taking in a wider field of view often reveals similar objects on the opposite side of a nearby active galaxy. Many of these high-redshift pairs are connected across the galaxy with a bridge of radiating material. Theories of an expanding Universe, dark matter, and dark energy depend on the XMM Newton’s (and other observatories) extremely narrow field of view and how the data is selected.
Second, by referring to material with a temperature of 100 million Kelvin as “hot gas” astrophysicists are highlighting their complete ignorance of plasma and its behavior. No atom can remain intact at such temperatures – electrons are stripped from the nuclei and powerful electrical fields develop. The gaseous matter becomes plasma, capable of conducting electricity and forming double layers.
In 1986, Hannes Alfvén, in a NASA-sponsored conference on double layers in astrophysics, said:
“Double layers in space should be classified as a new type of celestial object (one example is the double radio sources). It is tentatively suggested that x-ray and gamma ray bursts may be due to exploding double layers. In solar flares, [double layers] with voltages of 10^9 volts or even more may occur, and in galactic phenomena, we may have voltages that are several orders of magnitude larger.”
Plasma is the first state of matter and makes up more than 99.99% of all that we observe in the Universe. Cosmological redshift has been shown to be a property of matter and not one of velocity. It is far past time that scientists actually look at what they see with critical eyes.
Stephen Smith

 

[socratus]

I believe . . . . .you believe
your opinion . . . my opinion . ... . .
your meaning . . . my meaning . .. . . .
The opinion of opinion . . . . .
The meaning of meaning . . . . .
And so is endless.
===.
I Believe in Order to Understand.

St. Augustine, the Bishop of Hippo, said,
“I believe in order to understand” (credo ut intelligam)
and centuries later, St. Anselm of Canterbury,
echoed his statement in similar fashion:
“I do not seek to understand in order that I may believe,
but I believe in order to understand.”
These great Christian thinkers understood the proper use of reason
must be preceded by faith in the proper object.
Not faith in ourselves or science,
but faith in God, specifically in His revelation of Himself
in His Son Jesus Christ.
Their statements echo the words of the writer of Hebrews
when he said “By faith we understand that the universe
was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was
not made out of what was visible.” (Hebrews 11:3 – NIV)
http://carpediemcoramdeo.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/i-believe-in-order-to-understand/

I cannot believe in such method , in such way.
I need to understand in order to believe.
To believe in God, Souls . . .metaphysics . . .. etc
I need proof, scientific proof with physical laws and formulas.
=.
Einstein said:
“ One thing I have learned in a long life:
that all our science, measured against reality,
is primitive and childlike –
and yet it is the most precious thing we have.”


Why our science ‘is primitive and childlike’ ?
Because we don’t know the basic things:
what the vacuum is,
what the quantum particle is ( they say it is math point),
what an electron is (electron has six formulas and many theories)
what is the reason of 'dualism of particle' ? . . . . etc . . . etc.
=.
After 30 years of thinking about that we call ‘philosophy of physics ‘
I wrote my ideas briefly: God is a Scientist and Atheist.
Science is a religion by itself.
Why?
Because the God can create and govern the Universe
only using physical laws, formulas, equations.
Here is the scheme of His plan.
=.
God : Ten Scientific Commandments.
1. Vacuum: T=0K, E= , p= 0, t= .
2. Particles:
C/D=pi=3,14, R/N=k, E/M=c^2, h=0, c=0, i^2=-1, e^i(pi)= -1.
3. Photon: h=1, c=1, h=E/t, h=kb.
... 4. Electron: h*=h/2pi, E=h*f , e^2=ach* .
5. Gravity, Star formation: h*f = kTlogW :
HeII -- > HeI -- > H -- > . . .
6. Proton: (p).
7.
The evolution of interaction between Photon/Electron and Proton:
a) electromagnetic,
b) nuclear,
c) biological.
8. The Physical Laws:
a) Law of Conservation and Transformation Energy / Mass,
b) Pauli Exclusion Law,
c) Heisenberg Uncertainty Law.
9. Brain: Dualism of Consciousness.
10. Practice: Parapsychology. Meditation.
===.


I am not physicist and not philosopher.
I call myself a ‘peasant’.
And if a peasant can understand the Scheme (!) of Universe ,
then everybody, using usual human logic, can understand too.
==.
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus.
=.

 

[L Gilbert]

To have a ' pinpoint aim' - it needs to have a brain.
===.

Bullsh|t. DNA causes you to be left- or right-handed, brown-eyed or blue-eyed, tall or short, not your brain nor anyone else's.
And all DNA consists of are 3 types of genomes; no brain.

 

[darkbeaver]

Brains are meat ideas are not. There's mind and there's matter. Beauty and the Beast. Software and hardware. Spirit and body. A properly prepared brain makes a lovely sand which but not without a reasoned recipe. DNA is helical same as current.

I believe . . . . .you believe
your opinion . . . my opinion . ... . .
your meaning . . . my meaning . .. . . .
The opinion of opinion . . . . .
The meaning of meaning . . . . .
And so is endless.
===.
I Believe in Order to Understand.

It's endless because it is the cycle of life and no reasoner escapes those same contemplations, they say.

Thankyou for the participation.

 

[china]

Science, having made the discovery that the act of observation affects the behavior of the observed, demonstrates that if there is an immaterial Ground or Mind from which everything arises and returns, there is no way of knowing, because observation is a material process. If you would presume to know more than you can honestly observe, you’re religious.
ll







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[darkbeaver]

Science, having made the discovery that the act of observation affects the behavior of the observed, demonstrates that if there is an immaterial Ground or Mind from which everything arises and returns, there is no way of knowing, because observation is a material process. If you would presume to know more than you can honestly observe, you’re religious.hahaha
ll
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I will agree as soon as you materially observe your emotions. ha a ha a ha









Journalist: Your admirers are complaining that you attacking relativity. The strange is your assertion that the matter has no energy. Everything is imbued with energy, where it is?
Tesla: First was energy, then matter.
Journalist: Mr. Tesla, it’s like when you said that you were born by your father, and not on you.
Tesla: Exactly! What about the birth of the Universe? Matter is created from the original and eternal energy that we know as Light .It shone, and there have been appear star, the planets, man, and everything on the Earth and in the Universe. Matter is an expression of infinite forms of Light, because energy is older than it. There are four laws of Creation. The first is that the source of all the baffling, dark plot that the mind cannot conceive, or mathematics measure. In that plot fit the whole Universe.
The second law is spreading a darkness, which is the true nature of Light, from the inexplicable and it’s transformed into the Light. The third law is the necessity of the Light to become a matter of Light. The fourth law is: no beginning and no end; three previous laws always take place and the Creation is eternal.
Journalist: In the hostility to the theory of relativity you go so far, that you hold lectures against its Creator at your birthday parties..
Tesla: Remember, it is not curved space, but the human mind which cannot comprehend infinity and eternity! If relativity has been clearly understood by its Creator, he would gain immortality, even yet physically, if he is pleased.
I am part of a light, and it is the music. The Light fills my six senses: I see it, hear, feel, smell, touch and think. Thinking of it means my sixth sense. Particles of Light are written note. O bolt of lightning can be an entire sonata. A thousand balls of lightening is a concert.. For this concert
I have created a Ball Lightning, which can be heard on the icy peaks of the Himalayas.
About Pythagoras and mathematics a scientist may not and must not infringe of these two. Numbers and equations are signs that mark the music of the spheres. If Einstein had heard these sounds, he would not create theories of relativity. These sounds are the messages to the mind that life has meaning, that the Universe exists in perfect harmony, and its beauty is the cause and effect of Creation. This music is the eternal cycle of stellar heavens.Nikola Tesla - Everything is the Light | EEP

 

[china]

I will agree as soon as you materially observe your emotions. ha a ha a ha

I don't have any to observe .

 

[darkbeaver]

I will agree as soon as you materially observe your emotions. ha a ha a ha

I don't have any to observe .

That's sad I guess you'll have to observe your ideas then. cheers China

 

[china]

That's sad I guess you'll have to observe your ideas then. cheers China

It's enough to observe the emotions of the most of the participants of this forum DB
I'm here for typing practice .