Scathing UN report demands Vatican action on abuse

darkbeaver

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So basically we write this off because it's too late and UN is some evil corporation all of a sudden.

The Vatican is guilty but not as guilty as the state of Israel who lead the world in the slavery of children for sex toys of the rich. If you read a bit outside your usual you will understand the scope of the rot among the elites of virtually every western nation. Google Jimmy Saville and witness the depravity of the British establishment, have a look at the Belgium situation investigate the French obcession.
 

mentalfloss

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I defy anyone to provide an example of any religion, philosophy, profession or culture that does not have the same issue/problem as the UN deems exclusively as a problem within the Catholic church. The Vatican is targeted because they are the recognized head of that church as well as the belief that they have the cash to pay-out.

The UN, on the other hand, hand picks and invites some of the world's worst violators of ALL human rights into their bosom and pretends that they have clean hands... Add to this the day-to-day frauds that they themselves perpetuate with the food-for-oil fiasco or the climate change horse sh*t that they so desperately want to leverage for a special 'UN tax'... Hell, on the AGW file alone, they have lied to the entire globe and were caught many times.

So, now it's time to deflect attention somewhere else and as the Catholics have meekly accepted this unique form of exclusive branding for so long, the UN figures that they should just jump on the dog pile

This is all just unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Wait, what? The UN expects people to be terminated from their careers over suspicions? Where is the legality in that?

Now don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the Vatican take their hands off these cases, and make sure that each and every accusation is handed to local authorities for a proper trial. But, firing people for being accused is a step over the line.

The article also stated known abusers but I would have to see the actual report to determine the extent of the UN recommendation.
 

karrie

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The article also stated known abusers but I would have to see the actual report to determine the extent of the UN recommendation.

Known abusers is a given. But they are overreaching by demanding suspected abusers be fired.
 

mentalfloss

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It's not over reaching. People can be fired over suspected offences. It's ultimately up to the employer if they want to take that risk.
 

#juan

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It's got to be hard keeping track of these guys because every time we've uncovered an alleged pedophile priest, the church moves him.
 

#juan

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It's not over reaching. People can be fired over suspected offences. It's ultimately up to the employer if they want to take that risk.

If you fire someone because of a suspicion, that person could sue for defamation and all kinds of things. A mere suspicion is not enough.
 

damngrumpy

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We all know the Vatican has hidden sex crimes and they helped many Nazis get
to South America and they have a host of other sins. Seriously they turn over all
the errant priests. Why does the UN stop there? Did you know the Americans
won't send any bad apples to a world court either and they sure wouldn't turn
them over to the UN.
The UN list of misdeeds, ommissions, crimes committed by those who are there
to protect. Even worse failure to provide commanders in the field with the authority
to take action to protect civillians. The list is longer than the VAticans and the crimes
just as serious. Therefore would the leadership of the UN volutarily show up at the
world court and asked to be tried for international abuse. Don't think that will happen
do you?
 

The Old Medic

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If you actually read the report, it is nothing more than a "hit piece". It essentially recommends that the Catholic Church give up virtually all of its core beliefs, restructure itself into something very different than the church, and that it become essentially a lay organization.

The Church is cleaning up the molestation/abuse problem. As it stands now, if a priest or religious has any claim made against them of inappropriate conduct, they are suspended from their duties, the police are notified, and the investigation begins.

We have a Priest in our Diocese that had this happen. The day the accusation was made it was sent to the local police department, and he was suspended from any form of ministry. His name was made public, and a request was made that if anyone had any information concerning the possibility of inappropriate conduct, to please let both the Diocese and the police know about it immediately.

The police cleared him, declining to even arrest him, much less prosecute him. BUT, he remains suspended from all Priestly duties, until the Diocese finishes its own investigation,

His name has been sullied, and he will likely never be accepted in any Parish again.

I would strongly recommend that people look into just who is behind that UN report, and what countries approved it.
 

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It's not over reaching. People can be fired over suspected offences. It's ultimately up to the employer if they want to take that risk.
If the ask that of the Vatican they should lead by example.
How else to lead but but example.
 

taxslave

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Would you support Canadian law dictating that your employer MUST fire you if you are ever accused or suspected of a crime?

It's been known to happen to teachers. Come to think of it there were people that lost their jobs because of being accused of participating in the Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver.
 

karrie

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It's been known to happen to teachers. Come to think of it there were people that lost their jobs because of being accused of participating in the Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver.


Wrongful termination suits have also been known to happen over issues like these. That wasn't the question... the question was, if mf would support legislation FORCING an employer to fire anyone who has any kind of accusation or suspicions surrounding them.
 

mentalfloss

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I think it depends on the circumstance.

If you, as an employer, feel that you have enough of a body of evidence then it's your choice to roll the dice. If you are wrong, then the other party has every right to enact some countermeasure.

Also, suspect and suspicion have very different connotations. The former holding more weight but requiring a more convincing case.