S.H. "Trial" set for Oct.

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I wonder what day the trial will be on. I wouldn't want to miss it by sleeping in or anything... just joking...

How in hell can anyone, particularly Saddam Hussein, get a fair trial in Iraq today. The Americans should be out of it; and the trial should be held in The Hague. To be fair the officers and men who murdered Hussein's sons should also be on trial.

avolutely spot on !!! :thumbleft: :thumbright:

this whole thing is nothing but a charade......and potential media circus/event. Amazing he survived - death *unknown causes" so far. Would be the only reason HE has not been tortured is because he will get a "trial". *and things might get public airing. The rest of the US prisoners are fair game ...
 

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HRW press release:

In an 18-page briefing paper released last week, Human Rights Watch
highlighted concerns that the tribunal is at risk of violating basic fair-
trial guarantees.

Problems with the tribunal and its statute include:
• No requirement to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
• Inadequate protections for the accused to mount a defense on
conditions equal to those enjoyed by the prosecution.
• Disputes among Iraqi political factions over control of the court,
jeopardizing its appearance of impartiality.
• A draconian requirement that prohibits commutation of death
sentences by any Iraqi official, including the president, and compels
execution of the defendant within 30 days of a final judgment.

The briefing paper is available at:
http://hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/iraq1005/
 

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The occupiers' trial

By Pepe Escobar

10/19/05 "Asia Times" -- -- Occupied Iraq has virtually no security, electricity, water or jobs. Last Saturday, instead of basic necessities for a decent life, Iraqis had a referendum - already suspected of massive fraud - on a constitution few have even seen.

Starting on Wednesday, Iraqis, and the rest of the world for that matter, get a running soap opera - the trial of Saddam Hussein, under whose regime, for all its terror, and then 12 years of economic sanctions, Iraqis at least had security, electricity, water and jobs.

This "trial of the century" - or at least the early 21st century - starts at a secret Green Zone location, by an anonymous court,and under extreme, US military-imposed security measures. It's a made in USA affair - in administrative and financial terms.

The court, the training and the whole proceedings cost US$75 million - courtesy of US taxpayers (the budget was allocated in May 2004). About 300 people - paid by the Americans - work on the trial machinery. The five "secret" Iraqi judges - Shi'ites and Kurds, no Sunnis - are paid by the Americans, live inside the Green Zone and are protected by the Americans from being kidnapped or killed.

They have received special training from US, British and Australian legal experts and have even staged a mock trial in London. They are supposed to be "independent" in a country on which "the United States continues to wield vast influence", according to the understated Associated Press. Human Rights Watch has warned on the record that the trial may be "violating international standards for fair trials".

The initial charges against Saddam will focus on the killing of 143 Shi'ites in the village of Dujail, north of Baghdad, in 1982, after an assassination attempt against him. Recently disclosed images from Iraqi TV at the time show Saddam touring Dujail in triumph - but not the hostility of the crowd.

The assassination attempt was claimed by the Shi'ite Da'wa Party. Current Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari happens to be a leader of the Da'wa Party. As far as he's concerned, Saddam should be pronounced guilty in no time. "We are not trying to land on the moon here ... It's enough [to try Saddam] on Dujail and Anfal. The tribunal is just and open, he has a defense lawyer and the verdict will match the crime ... I don't want to intervene in judicial proceedings, but why do we say now that more time is needed?"

Six other people are being tried alongside Saddam. They include his half-brother Barzan al-Tikriti - who was the head of the terror-inflicting Mukhabarat intelligence services; his notorious henchman Taha Yassin Ramadan; Awad Hamed al-Bander, the judge who sentenced many in Dujail to death; and four Ba'ath Party officials. The prosecution charges that Saddam himself, as head of state, certified the executions pronounced by an Iraqi special tribunal presided by Bander.

This won't be an American-style courtroom drama. There's no jury. The chief judge will question a number of witnesses. Many have already been interviewed before the trial. The five judges decide whether Saddam and his six co-defendants are innocent or guilty. Saddam will have the right to call witnesses.

If he is convicted, his defense team will be able to file a number of appeals before the sentence - expected to be death - is applied. If it's death row, Saddam must be executed - in fact hanged - within 30 days of the ruling on his last appeal. The description of the trial procedures is provided, once again, not by Iraqis, but by Americans - at the National Security Council and the State Department.

This special Iraqi tribunal was instituted by former American proconsul L Paul Bremer in December 2003 - curiously only three days before Saddam, according to the official Pentagon version, was captured in his hole on the ground. The tribunal is supposed to judge crimes committed by Iraqis - inside and outside the country - between July 17, 1968 (when the Ba'ath Party took power) and May 1, 2003, as well as war crimes perpetrated during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988) and the invasion of Kuwait (1990-1991).

So a string of trials may be in the offing - concerning, for starters, the Anfal campaign of 1987-1988 which killed at least 5,000 Kurds, the invasion of Kuwait in 1990, the suppression of the Shi'ite uprising of 1991 (which may have killed 200,000 people) and the widespread assassination of Shi'ite religious leaders, like the Grand Ayatollah Baqr al-Sadr.

The legal daughter from hell
Saddam's defense, for the moment, is a total mess. The Iraqi lawyer in charge is Baghdad-based Khalil al-Dulaimi, who has met Saddam only six times. But it is Raghad, Saddam's oldest daughter, who is really in charge of everything - an authority conferred by Saddam's wife and his two other daughters.

Two months ago, Raghad fired almost the entire defense team, except for Dulaimi. Several Iraqi lawyers have volunteered to help him. The prosecution had two years to review the case, Dulaimi says he was given only two weeks.

In spite of the alleged $15 billion or more that Saddam would have stashed (there was never any proof), there's no money for his defense, according to Ziad al-Khasawneh, a Jordanian lawyer who resigned three months ago because he could not stand Raghad. He charges that Raghad is in fact supported - generously - by the royal families of Jordan and Qatar, buying loads of designer gear and jewelry in Amman, always paid for in hard cash carried in a leather briefcase by a male bodyguard.

Raghad was married to Hussein Kamel (they have three children), the man responsible for Iraq's fabled weapons of mass destruction program who defected to Amman in 1995 and then told three UN senior executives that the program had been dismantled (thus eliminating, eight years in advance, the official Bush administration reason for invading Iraq). Kamel was lured back to Iraq six months later, under the belief he would be forgiven, only to be executed under the orders of - who else - Saddam himself.

One of Saddam's foreign defense lawyers is Franco-Lebanese Andre Chami. He charges that at the moment "we have a parody of trial and a parody of defense". Chami says only himself and Dulaimi have been properly authorized so far to defend Saddam.

But Dulaimi, according to Chami, is inexperienced, "has no strategy" and has never even practiced as a penal lawyer. Chami never met Saddam. But he met Raghad three times, in Amman and in Libya. Chami has read the 800-page Dujail dossier. He says, "It's totally empty. In France, any judge would dismiss the case, it would not even go to trial." The prosecution, he says, has just used the original Iraqi special tribunal dossier about the assassination attempt against Saddam, and turned it upside down. "This is a political trial," he charges.

Raghad has approached Anthony Scrivener, a former chairman of the Bar Council of Britain, to head the defense team's challenge of the legitimacy of the tribunal. In 2004, Scrivener published an article in London's Independent on Sunday saying, "The trial of Saddam Hussein and some of his nasty colleagues has already degenerated into the realms of a promising theatrical farce."

Saddam's defense team insists - and will continue to insist - that the trial has no jurisdiction because it has been created by an occupying power which has no right to change the legal system of an occupied country.

Abdel Haq Alani, an Iraqi lawyer based in Britain and at least for the moment the chief defense strategist, has already hinted that the defense strategy will be to delay everything all the time; to insist that this court is illegal under international law; and to insist that Saddam has sovereign immunity from prosecution because everything he did was legal under the previous Iraqi constitution.

As far as Dujail is concerned, the defense will argue that the 143 people who were executed had been found guilty under Iraq's laws and Saddam's only role was to sign their death warrants - just as George W Bush, as governor of Texas, sent 152 people to death.

From tyrant to martyr?
Harold Pinter, the new Nobel Prize of Literature winner, has described the American invasion of Iraq as "a bandit act, an act of blatant state terrorism, demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of International Law".

The world will be watching whether international law will be respected during Saddam's trial. The first few images - hopefully unedited - will be crucial. If they convey the impression of an occupiers' trial, the game is over. It means no credibility vis-a-vis the Iraqi population, the predominantly Sunni Arab world, and the world at large.

This trial - the first test - is based on a concrete fact. But the defense has a point as it contests the legitimacy of the tribunal itself. Thus the danger: Saddam the tyrant has a golden opportunity to (re)present himself to the Sunni Arab popular masses as Saddam, martyr of the American empire.


bet bush is glad that the media is picking this up and flying with it......... maybe he thinks it will take the heat off of him. (silly man)

SH Trial........ the new/current world circus .... orchestrated by the usREGIME. :twisted:

First overture being played out today...
 

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Legal lynching of Saddam Hussein begins in Iraq
By James Cogan
19 October 2005
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The trial of Saddam Hussein that begins today in Baghdad, under the auspices of the US-created Supreme Iraqi Criminal Tribunal (SICT) and the US-sponsored Iraqi government, is a legal travesty. No credibility can be given to the prosecution of the former Iraqi head of state by a puppet court and client administration that exist only due to the illegal and predatory invasion of Iraq by US imperialism and the continued presence of more than 150,000 American and other foreign troops.

Hussein and his Baathist regime have many crimes against the Iraqi people to answer for. However, the proceedings starting today are nothing but a show trial designed to have the former dictator quickly sentenced to death and executed. The aim is not justice, but to obscure the complicity of the United States, Britain and other major powers in many of Hussein’s atrocities.

Today Hussein is being prosecuted only for 19 charges relating to the massacre of some 150 people in the village of Dujail in 1982. The murders followed a failed assassination attempt on the Baathist leader by alleged members of the Shiite fundamentalist Da’awa organisation—the party of the current Iraqi prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari.

The Dujail massacre has been carefully chosen, instead of other Baathist crimes that were encouraged or sanctioned by the major powers. These include the slaughter of Iraqi Communist Party members in 1979; the murder of thousands of Shiites in the lead-up to the 1980 US-backed Iraqi invasion of Iran; the use of Western-supplied chemical weapons against Iranian troops and civilians during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war; the pogroms against the Kurdish population in the late 1980s; and the butchery of tens of thousands of Shiites and Kurds following the 1991 Gulf War.

It is no secret that the prosecution of Hussein has been crafted to prevent any repetition of the ongoing trial of former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic in the UN-run International Criminal Tribunal, where he is facing 66 charges of war crimes and genocide allegedly committed in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.

Milosevic is a nationalist demagogue who bears much responsibility for the horrors inflicted on the Balkan peoples in the 1990s. Over the past four years, however, he has used his trial to document the machinations of the major powers in fomenting the ethnic conflicts that tore apart the region and to expose the criminality of the NATO attack on Yugoslavia in 1999. The trial has become, to put it mildly, an embarrassment for the prosecutors.

Hussein’s defence is certain to challenge the legality of the 2003 US-led invasion and thus the legitimacy of the court. However, by narrowly framing the charges, the US is hoping to avoid any questions about its collaboration with the Baathist regime in the 1980s. Hussein could, for example, relate the discussions he held with US presidential envoy, and now Secretary of Defence, Donald Rumsfeld in 1983 and 1984, which led to US assistance to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war.

The consequence is a trial that has more in common with a lynching, guided by the principle that dead men don’t talk. It has been thoroughly prejudiced by the Iraqi government, which has all but directed the SICT to hand down the death sentence against Hussein in the shortest possible time.

Iraq’s president Jalal Talabani told national television on September 6 that Hussein was a “war criminal and he deserves to be executed 20 times a day for his crimes”. Prime minister Jaafari declared on Monday that the trial was not a “research project”. All the judges had to decide, he emphasised, was, “has this man committed crimes?” and to do so quickly.

Article 30(b) of the SICT statute dictates that a death sentence must be carried out within 30 days of appeals being exhausted.

On October 16, Human Rights Watch drew attention to this article in a lengthy critique of the Hussein trial. The sentencing stipulation, it noted, “creates the possibility that a person charged in several cases can be tried, convicted and executed for one of those cases, before any other cases are subject to public trial, and as such is likely to deprive victims, witnesses and the Iraqi people as a whole of the opportunity to conclusively establish which individuals were legally responsible for some of the worst human rights violations in Iraq’s history. The execution of convicted individuals while other charges are pending against them means that there may never be a public accounting of the evidence for and against them in relation to these events.”

The Washington Post commented on October 18: “The length and complexity of the Milosevic trial helped convince Iraqi prosecutors that they needed to concentrate on a few key events rather than attempt to cover the full range of alleged atrocities during Hussein’s 24-year rule, legal experts and observers said.”

The paper ignored the fact that the US occupation authority created the precursor to SICT, wrote its initial statutes and selected the chief investigative judge and four other judges to preside over the trial. The Bush administration decided to exclude the UN from any role in the Hussein trial in order to guarantee the tightest possible control over the proceedings.

The case against Hussein and other Baathists has been prepared from the beginning by a liaison office made up of lawyers and advisors from the US, Britain and Australia—all countries whose governments are themselves guilty of war crimes for the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation. The New York Times noted on Tuesday that “the liaison office has been the real power behind the tribunal, advising, and often deciding, on almost every facet of its work, always behind a shield of anonymity”. The SICT’s activities are funded by $138 million from Washington.

The stench of illegitimacy that surrounds the Hussein trial has produced a remarkable state of affairs. In stark contrast to the gloating coverage of Hussein’s capture 22 months ago, the Bush administration and the US media provided virtually no commentary as the date of his trial approached. Had the White House wanted to, it would have gone out of its way to make the event a focus of attention.

The muted reportage reflects the fear in Washington that Hussein’s prosecution may prove to be another factor in intensifying anti-occupation opposition and the armed insurgency against US and government military forces.

The American manipulation of the trial can only undermine the Shiite and Kurdish parties that make up the Iraqi government. Many of their supporters already regard the promises of Iraqi sovereignty and independence from Washington as a sham. Among millions of Shia and Kurdish workers and rural poor—who suffered at the hands of the Baathists and continue to suffer appalling conditions—the limited character of the charges against Hussein can only add to their anger and frustration.

The trial will also compound the anger among Sunnis. In the two-and-a-half years since the invasion of Iraq, and contrary to its expectations, US imperialism has been unable to enlist the collaboration of any significant section of the Sunni Arab establishment that underpinned Hussein’s regime, let alone support from the broader Sunni population.

The voting in last weekend’s referendum on a draft constitution revealed the extent of the divisions. While Sunnis overwhelmingly voted no, Kurds and Shiites predominantly voted yes. Amid rising sectarian tensions, many Sunnis consider that they have been marginalised and have nothing to lose by backing the insurgency.

Hussein’s lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi has made clear in press statements that the central thrust of the legal defence will be a rejection of the court’s legitimacy. He plans to demand that the entire trial be adjourned while a motion to dismiss the case is prepared.

Amid concerns over the impact of the trial, US officials have been applying pressure on the Iraqi government not to televise today’s proceedings. If it is broadcast, there is likely to be a 20-minute delay between filming and transmission. As the New York Times blandly stated, this “appeared intended to allow the tribunal to censor any untoward developments in the court—an outburst from Mr Hussein perhaps, or a security breakdown”.

The Hussein trial is shaping up to be another political debacle for the Bush administration and the US occupation of Iraq.
 

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Saddam: 'I do not respond to this so-called court'

Three hours after it finally opened under the most intense Iraqi and international scrutiny, Saddam Hussein's trial came to a sudden halt for one simple reason - fear.

Some 30 to 40 witnesses to the killing of 143 people, allegedly on the direct orders of the former dictator, were simply too frightened of the vengeance of his followers to go to court yesterday.
 

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no1important said:
Saddam: 'I do not respond to this so-called court'

Three hours after it finally opened under the most intense Iraqi and international scrutiny, Saddam Hussein's trial came to a sudden halt for one simple reason - fear.

Some 30 to 40 witnesses to the killing of 143 people, allegedly on the direct orders of the former dictator, were simply too frightened of the vengeance of his followers to go to court yesterday.

interesting.. IMHO...... this does not seem like the ideal time for his trial. The situation in Iraq is too volatile. Not sure what the "rush" is for this trial. He is captured......safe and ensconsed somewhere.........so why not wait until things are less emotional.??? (inflamatory). Seems the US dirty hand is in this too........as it might see some "political" advantage to having this trial in such a hurry. Don't think it will work in US favor though. (mind you ......the US media will make sure to spin it so the US looks like the victor, hero, and what have you..)
 

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Well he should be sent to the Hague like Milosevic was. He was no better than Saddam (and neither is "W" for that matter).

Since he is not being sent to the Hague this court is just a Kangaroo court in my opinion. Not legit at all. We all know Saddam was a very bad man but he does deserve a fair trial, one that does not have a pre determined outcome like this one does.

I bet "W" would like trial in a year just around mid term elections so he can stir the fear and propoganda up again.
 

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Since he is not being sent to the Hague this court is just a Kangaroo court in my opinion. Not legit at all.

this is how I (and many others ) see it too. This "trial" is "loaded " from the start. But then this whole thing has not been legit from the very onset........so it is just following "protocol"...

Amazing how ILLEGAL the USR is........and scary. When such obvious disregard for the law has penetrated a gov't.... anything can happen.


(just noticed that Christiana Lampour (sp??) is on this one. "they" always bring in the top name reporters during something like this. (the big guns.;-)

but I digress..
 

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The worst thing about this is that it gives Saddam's supporters a very real reason to say that justice was not done. If he was tried at the Hague under proper rules and regulations, such a claim would carry little weight.
 

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The worst thing about this is that it gives Saddam's supporters a very real reason to say that justice was not done.

........and they would be right. So the US has shot itself in the foot ........AGAIN. ......this is being mishandled because proper /legal protocol is not being used. The US wants so badly to run/control this and come out flag waving (victorious) as if it is the US that matters in all this. US narcisism at it's worst.
 

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Saddam trial lawyer taken hostage

Gunmen have kidnapped one of the lawyers involved in the trial of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Sadoun Nasouaf al-Janavi was taken from his office in eastern Baghdad.

He is acting for one of Saddam Hussein's co-defendants, Awad Hamed al-Bandar. One report said seven other people were seized at the same time.

In a defiant appearance at his trial on Wednesday, Saddam Hussein pleaded not guilty to charges over the killing of 148 people in a Shia town in 1982.
 

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no1important said:
Saddam trial lawyer taken hostage

Gunmen have kidnapped one of the lawyers involved in the trial of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Sadoun Nasouaf al-Janavi was taken from his office in eastern Baghdad.

He is acting for one of Saddam Hussein's co-defendants, Awad Hamed al-Bandar. One report said seven other people were seized at the same time.

In a defiant appearance at his trial on Wednesday, Saddam Hussein pleaded not guilty to charges over the killing of 148 people in a Shia town in 1982.


Oh oh. !! 8O Wonder where THIS will take things. :?
 

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Too bad, the opportunity to put Saddam on trial - by the Iraqi people - is being lost, like their oil.
That ain't Saddam either, its a phoney double. What the Real Saddam could say about America putting him into power and helping him kill those Kurds [USA suplied the chemicals] would impeach Bush, so it ain't gonna happen.