Race Is Real, It's Just Not A Science

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The pattern isn't in the genome, it's in the geographic distribution of human populations. Different sub-species of any animal won't be entirely unique and distinct from other sub-species. I don't see any reason to define race in that manner either. Biology simply desn't work that way. Some genes are highly conserved in genomes, and some are highly variable.

Biology classifies races in animals as well based on phenotypic differences in the population. Honey bees are one example. Or how about dog breeds? Same species, different phenotypic characteristics. The lines may be blurred when it comes to humans, but that doesn't mean that the idea of different characteristics within populations is quackery, it's ridiculous in the extreme to suggest otherwise.

How about another clear example. Folks hailing from North Europe can have resistance against HIV. A genetic heritage resulting from, well they haven't actually nailed it down yet, likely a prolonged viral infection during one of the episodes of plague. Anyways this population has a high incidence of a particular mutation, a deletion of 32 base pairs in the CCR5 gene. This makes them resistant to the M tropic strains of HIV.

Race is very much a real tangible thing. Before the world got so small, populations of humans were exposed to different evolutionary pressures, and that is clearly evident today.

And people from Europe have Approx 4 % Neanderthal DNA - Unlike many in Africa.

PS - We won - you tied for 1st - OK - but I am older. Oh yes and better looking. Just my fate and
I have to live with that. Do you realize how difficult it is being a great looking man. Oh my, terrible it is, just plain terrible what I go thru.
 

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In human figure sculpture class, I learned that the skull shapes of different races are different. There are anatomical differences between races. There are differences between men and women too. Beyond that, what is there to say?
 

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So race doesn't exist many think, but it is mentioned in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, it's in legislation. Why not omit all references to race from all govt documents? I don't hear many voices advocating that. It's not the private sector that makes records of race, it's the govt with all its agencies and commissions that does it. Race exists in the govt, but it's not supposed to exist in the private sector I guess.

The govt has a monopoly on force, national security, and race issues.
 

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So race doesn't exist many think, but it is mentioned in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, it's in legislation. Why not omit all references to race from all govt documents? I don't hear many voices advocating that. It's not the private sector that makes records of race, it's the govt with all its agencies and commissions that does it. Race exists in the govt, but it's not supposed to exist in the private sector I guess.

The govt has a monopoly on force, national security, and race issues.
Can you point out where race is mentioned in the Charter?
 

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Section 15
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
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(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.(84)
 

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Section 15
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
Affirmative action programs
(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.(84)

Thx.

Race is real because the govt says so in its documents, everyone happy? The people who made the Charter are racialists, they acknowledge the existence of race, just like I do. Comrades! The irony!

We in Canada obviously do not agree with all the scientific studies saying race doesn't exist because we have entrenched the idea of race in the Charter and it is very difficult to remove. It has about the same level of difficulty of removal as ditching the monarchy.

We have politically and culturally agreed race exists in Canada. Perhaps we should have discussed the issue of race a little more before PET and others included it when they created the Charter in a few short years. Our politics disagrees with science. Race is mixed up with language, culture and history, yet we all know its real. Just because race is hard to define doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or that some people are paid to say it doesn't exist-who are usually on the govt payroll.
 

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We have politically and culturally agreed race exists in Canada. Perhaps we
should have discussed the issue of race a little more before PET and others
included it when they created the Charter in a few short years.
Oh no no no no. It goes waaaay back further than the Charter dumpy.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Oh no no no no. It goes waaaay back further than the Charter dumpy.

Yes, ideas of race go way before the Charter. I'm guessing here, but I don't think race is mentioned in the BNA Act for Confederation that made Canada. I don't think it got mentioned much in Canada before the 1960s in official govt documents. Govt documents are key, these documents create reality for society. Human rights isues are race issues to many, so that could started it.

The USA has always had a huge race issue with blacks and slavery. Canada had race issues of course, but on a smaller scale. Canada never enslaved millions of non-white people for centuries like the USA did in plantations over a vast territory in the south.
 

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Yes, ideas of race go way before the Charter. I'm guessing here, but I don't think race is mentioned in the BNA Act for Confederation that made Canada. I don't think it got mentioned much in Canada before the 1960s in official govt documents. Govt documents are key, these documents create reality for society. Human rights isues are race issues to many, so that could started it.

The USA has always had a huge race issue with blacks and slavery. Canada had race issues of course, but on a smaller scale. Canada never enslaved millions of non-white people for centuries like the USA did in plantations over a vast territory in the south.

Canada had slaves - Until it was outlawed by the British Govt - Then it became illegal in the colonies of which we were one.
 

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Canada had slaves - Until it was outlawed by the British Govt - Then it became illegal in the colonies of which we were one.

Canada had a small number of slaves, which in principle makes us as bad as the USA according to to some. But, we did not have millions of slaves, for over 200 years, over a vast territory. Scale matters here, a very good example how some think Canadain history is much like the history of the USA. It's not, but that's what you get for not teaching history in school.
 

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Canada had a small number of slaves, which in principle makes us as bad as the USA according to to some. B..ut, we did not have millions of slaves, for over 200 years, over a vast territory. Scale matters here, a very good example how some think Canadain history is much like the history of the USA. It's not, but that's what you get for not teaching history in school.

I took Canadian History and on my own US, British, Greek, Norse, Egyptian. I am reasonably versed in some parts - more than some, less than many others - the point was = Canada had slaves - Do not try to whitewash it - No Grey area here.
 

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Can't answer the question, or is the answer you have no point?

Dear Mr Landfill,

You write nothing but one liners, you don't deserve anything more. You ought to be on a stage, doing real comedy. But then you are not capable of it, obviously, because you are so lazy and anti-social and unable to string a few logical sentences together.

I took Canadian History and on my own US, British, Greek, Norse, Egyptian. I am well versed in some parts - more than some, less than others - the point was = Canada had slaves - Do not try to whitewash it - No Grey area here.

The country we call Canada began in 1867, with Confederation. You know, we celebrate this country's birthday every year on July 1. Subtract 2011-1867= 144 year old nation. The masses don't care about what happened prior to 1867, a small number care a lot on various pre-1867 issues like slavery, but not the whole. BC entered Canada in 1871 and very few could tell you the day it happened. I don't even know offhand. It's a non-issue. BC Day is a holiday is a day to go camping, first Monday in August. Sun and fun.
 

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Dear Mr Landfill,

You write nothing but one liners, you don't deserve anything more. You ought to be on a stage, doing real comedy. But then you are not capable of it, obviously, because you are so lazy and anti-social and unable to string a few logical sentences together.



The country we call Canada began in 1867, with Confederation. You know, we celebrate this country's birthday every year on July 1. Subtract 2011-1867= 144 year old nation. The masses don't care about what happened prior to 1867, a small number care a lot on various pre-1867 issues like slavery, but not the whole. BC entered Canada in 1871 and very few could tell you the day it happened. I don't even know offhand. It's a non-issue. BC Day is a holiday is a day to go camping, first Monday in August. Sun and fun.[/QUOTESo

So anything before 1867 is gonzo - Great Canadian History - Good and bad that you want to "Disappear" - Really.
 

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The country we call Canada began in 1867, with Confederation. You know, we celebrate this country's birthday every year on July 1. Subtract 2011-1867= 144 year old nation. The masses don't care about what happened prior to 1867, a small number care a lot on various pre-1867 issues like slavery, but not the whole. BC entered Canada in 1871 and very few could tell you the day it happened. I don't even know offhand. It's a non-issue. BC Day is a holiday is a day to go camping, first Monday in August. Sun and fun.

I guess you don't know, don't care, and don't understand history much.

Which explains your posts.
 

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Canada (US and most of the industrialized world) are slave states - slaves to dept, both individual and collective. The capitalist and banking systems are designed to enslave. That is the joke of your argument, you don't get it. You think we are progressive when in fact we are regressive. Unchecked economic growth will be the death of this planet and all living things, but you call it progress.
 

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I never said I wanted Canada's history to disappear. I said the masses don't care.

What happened in 1759? The British defeated the French for control of North America. Where is some commenoration for that hugely important day? The year changed the course of history. The victory of the British that allowed Canada as we know it to exist. Quebec has paved over the site because losers remember better.

Are you doing much to promote pre-1867 Canadian/Nova Scotian/British Columbian history? Few are. That is bad old history from another country few feel part of. They had slavery and it is agreed slavery is bad and should be forgotten. History happened and it was significant, but the Canadian collective memory of it fades pre 1867. Nice of you to blame me for it though.