Population Explosion: The real threat and what are we to do?
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Actually, I thought we were on the doorstep a few years ago. As extreme piercing sharpened its hold on much of the younger North American population, it was common to witness a new age of primitives prowling the street. Their heads festooned with bolts and beads. And I thought, these people might not only look the look they might practise it. Thankfully, it has only been the vigilance of town councils and community groups that has prevented a freefall into cannibalism.
unlivable mountain terrain.
It was thought that Utah was unsuitable for farming but the Mormons managed to convert it to agricultural land. Today, we have green houses and other forms of indoor agriculture that can be used for food production.
It was thought that Utah was unsuitable for farming but the Mormons managed to convert it to agricultural land. Today, we have green houses and other forms of indoor agriculture that can be used for food production.
China has well over one billion people but manages to feed its population quite well. All it takes is for those other nations to develop the same technological advancements.
mao = Chinese for "cat"
gophers and kitties usually aren't so friendly but some of my best friends are cats!
gophers and kitties usually aren't so friendly but some of my best friends are cats!
1.) China is not food self sufficient anymore, hasn't been in some time.
2.) It has a declining birthrate because it saw the writing on the wall and instituted harsh policies (leading to massive wealth generation)
3.) Technology has nothing to do with it.
The West can develop wealth and feed itself because it has a declining population. The rest of the world cannot, and increases population ever faster than food supply. This is called a population cycle, it happens to all things in nature. Your population grows till a breaking point, then 90% of your population dies off and you begin anew. If people don't want that to happen, they have to take their brains out of their pants, and not act like a lemming.
There are only two ways a nation can develop wealth, discovering (or conquering) some new valuable resource or have a declining birth rate.
The most common natural cause of a declining birthrate is being a wealthy society. Thats why China had to take such brutal measures.
No matter how you think we could stripmine our planet to feed more people, there is a physical limit, and with population going up exponentially we will reach it sooner or later. Quit shovelling responsibilities onto your kids because you don't want to be an adult and deal with them yourself. With the quality of life we have now (in the west) we can't support the population we have now. You shouldn't plan to bring your children into a worse world than you grew up in.
That water and those conditions will soon not exist as they do now, the loss of crop land and water will proceed into the middle of this century there is no time to implement the changes in thinking required to carry out even the beginning. Climate models predict desertification of vast areas of the southern hemisphere before the 2050.:smile:
Do you think they won't notice we're eating? I dare you to make the next logical step and suggest a final solution, because that's what you'll have to do if you want to abandone them.:lol:
darkbeaver said:
Desalinization technology can be easily built and used to fertilize millions of tillable acres. All it take is for the government to demonstrate willingness.
I agee with you on everything except the easy part. Just to get government willingness will take the destruction of the ruling classes, remember they don't work for us and they don't particularly care if we die by the billions as long as they remain in power.:smile:
Woops, don't say that too loud or some critics here will call you a stoooopid radical leftist bedwetting crypto commie of the lowest kind!
So you are saying we should invade them and take control of their government? If its our duty to help them its because they are part of our society. If they are part of our society then they obey our rules the same as anyone else.
If they are not part of our society, they can do as they wish. The downside being, THEY can do as THEY wish. Its no different than someone moving out of their parents. If they are still a child its their parents job to protect them, if they are adults, their life is their responsibility.
I don't get you, on the one hand you don't think you should tell other nations what to do. On the other you say you are responsible for them. THey are contradictory. Its like saying your parents can't tell you what to do, but they HAVE to pay your rent and buy you groceries.
And then what? The population isn't going to then magically stop growing. Thats the fun of exponential growth. IT won't matter jack. At some point, people have to act like adults and not have kids they can't feed.
You know why we eat in the west? we all have declining Birthrates. We eat because we sacrifice for it.
If the rest of the world wishes to eat as we eat, they can sacrifice for it too. Its not our job to not have kids so they can have many. We aren't slaves to them.
Its like complaining about not having money when you refuse to work. We used to have massive problems with feeding the poor, till our birthrate started dropping.
What you are saying is precisely the same thing Malthusians said in the 1840s. BOOM-GLOOM-DOOM!
Yet, here we are over 150+ years later. And it's a good bet that 150 years from now people will look back and ask what the fear was all about.
Yet, here we are over 150+ years later. And it's a good bet that 150 years from now people will look back and ask what the fear was all about.