Paris terror attacks: Europe must confront failed integration
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I asked you which one you wanted to discuss. The fabricated one you want to discuss, or the topic in the OP.
There was a link to an article that was promoting that due to the migration from Syria into the EU that Syrian passports were a 'dime a dozen'. That could be the case with this 'find'.
The French authorities claim to have Security Camera photos of many of the shooters. Some did blow themselves up but most are know multi generation Muslims raised in the area and were not giving any outward signs of extremists behavior. Well... that was before last night in Paris. I think many extremists do live here and are well established as people who have integrated into out society. This must make us all be alert.
The Canadian military failed to integrate ex-Col. Russell Williams.
Short of becoming a fascist police state, no government can totally assimilate everyone, and to try to do so will likely provoke even more violence.
Consider the FLQ, the IRA, the PIRA, the Red Army Faction, the ETA in the Basque region, etc. Integration is not a religious or ethnic matter, but one of education.
Short of becoming a fascist police state, no government can totally assimilate everyone, and to try to do so will likely provoke even more violence.
Consider the FLQ, the IRA, the PIRA, the Red Army Faction, the ETA in the Basque region, etc. Integration is not a religious or ethnic matter, but one of education.
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Five Things We Already Know About the Paris Attacks
First, this was a highly professional operation. The only recent attack like Paris was in Mumbai in 2008, when a handful of young Pakistanis, trained by Pakistan’s intelligence agency ISI, assaulted a city of 12 million and sustained the attack for four days. That operation took years of planning and training.
Second, the planning means it was highly premeditated, not just retaliation for some recent insult to the Islamic State or another group – like the Charlie Hebdo killings almost a year ago. That means it’s a serious provocation, strategic rather than tactical. The attackers chose Paris not because of any particular French offence, but because when Paris is attacked the entire West feels attacked. The entire West, not just France, can be expected to react.
Third, the reaction will punish the innocent more than the guilty. A routine terrorist goal is to delegitimize its enemy by goading it into violent repression. European Muslims in general, and refugees in particular, will suffer for this attack. Some on Twitter have pointed out that the terrorists are exactly what the refugees are running from, but the tweets are already lost in the firestorm.
Anti-Muslim backlash in turn will stress all the countries now dealing with refugees, from Italy and Greece to Sweden and Finland. European racists will be emboldened to attack the refugees and their shelters. Sweden has already seen numerous arson attacks against refugees.
Fourth, we could see an international demand for a kind of world war against Islamic radicalism. With Europe, the United States, Canada, and many Muslim nations dragged into a serious counterattack, the Islamic State and Al-Qaeda would welcome the opportunity for martyrdom.
But before martyrdom they could hope to see other Muslim nations’ current governments – all of them betrayers of true Islam, in Islamist eyes – shaken and perhaps overthrown, from Morocco to Indonesia. That would leave ordinary Muslims with no choice but to side with the extremists or flee.
Fifth, we’d better recognize our own part in this mess. Many books, including the recent Black Flags: The Rise of Isis, have documented the opportunity George W. Bush gave the Islamists by his invasion of Iraq and utter lack of postwar planning.
Canada, thanks to Jean Chretien, stayed out of that obvious quagmire, and Stephen Harper nudged us into it. Now Justin Trudeau wants to get us out yet again, which has suddenly become a much harder job than it was last week. When you find yourself in a stampede, you’ve got to move or be trampled underfoot.
So the right response is not to take their bait. Hunt down the attackers, interrogate the survivors, and put serious pressure on any government that in any way aided the attacks.
Ferociously suppress anti-Muslim, anti-refugee agitation. Invite local Muslims to cooperate in identifying Islamic extremism’s supporters – they are ordinary Muslims’ worst enemies, after all. Find the attackers’ sources of funding, and choke them off.
more
https://canadiandimension.com/artic...dy-know-about-the-paris-attacks-and-ourselves
First, this was a highly professional operation. The only recent attack like Paris was in Mumbai in 2008, when a handful of young Pakistanis, trained by Pakistan’s intelligence agency ISI, assaulted a city of 12 million and sustained the attack for four days. That operation took years of planning and training.
Second, the planning means it was highly premeditated, not just retaliation for some recent insult to the Islamic State or another group – like the Charlie Hebdo killings almost a year ago. That means it’s a serious provocation, strategic rather than tactical. The attackers chose Paris not because of any particular French offence, but because when Paris is attacked the entire West feels attacked. The entire West, not just France, can be expected to react.
Third, the reaction will punish the innocent more than the guilty. A routine terrorist goal is to delegitimize its enemy by goading it into violent repression. European Muslims in general, and refugees in particular, will suffer for this attack. Some on Twitter have pointed out that the terrorists are exactly what the refugees are running from, but the tweets are already lost in the firestorm.
Anti-Muslim backlash in turn will stress all the countries now dealing with refugees, from Italy and Greece to Sweden and Finland. European racists will be emboldened to attack the refugees and their shelters. Sweden has already seen numerous arson attacks against refugees.
Fourth, we could see an international demand for a kind of world war against Islamic radicalism. With Europe, the United States, Canada, and many Muslim nations dragged into a serious counterattack, the Islamic State and Al-Qaeda would welcome the opportunity for martyrdom.
But before martyrdom they could hope to see other Muslim nations’ current governments – all of them betrayers of true Islam, in Islamist eyes – shaken and perhaps overthrown, from Morocco to Indonesia. That would leave ordinary Muslims with no choice but to side with the extremists or flee.
Fifth, we’d better recognize our own part in this mess. Many books, including the recent Black Flags: The Rise of Isis, have documented the opportunity George W. Bush gave the Islamists by his invasion of Iraq and utter lack of postwar planning.
Canada, thanks to Jean Chretien, stayed out of that obvious quagmire, and Stephen Harper nudged us into it. Now Justin Trudeau wants to get us out yet again, which has suddenly become a much harder job than it was last week. When you find yourself in a stampede, you’ve got to move or be trampled underfoot.
So the right response is not to take their bait. Hunt down the attackers, interrogate the survivors, and put serious pressure on any government that in any way aided the attacks.
Ferociously suppress anti-Muslim, anti-refugee agitation. Invite local Muslims to cooperate in identifying Islamic extremism’s supporters – they are ordinary Muslims’ worst enemies, after all. Find the attackers’ sources of funding, and choke them off.
more
https://canadiandimension.com/artic...dy-know-about-the-paris-attacks-and-ourselves
Guess we are going to solve the problem with a sentence or a snide remark/
It ain't that easy. The problems we face are social and economic and the
lack of political will to solve. We allowed mass immigration without preparing
immigrants for a new land and a new social environment. We just thought let
them come and find their way. The ordinary citizen had no idea what was coming.
In addition despite the claims of difference the average citizen in France did not
want the immigrants in their country. Look at what is happening, the right wing in
France is gaining ground in regional elections and even organized labour is now
swinging to the right wing. Same in Holland, and Germany and we could be in
for a very unstable Europe. An unstable Europe always descends into chaos.
Many of the immigrants cannot find meaningful work and there is virtually no work
back in their home countries. It is not older immigrants engaged in acts like this
it is younger people for the most part
So what needs to be done to tone down the rhetoric, fear and hatred these are the
feelings on the main stage of society. If this gets out of control God only knows
the final chapter
It ain't that easy. The problems we face are social and economic and the
lack of political will to solve. We allowed mass immigration without preparing
immigrants for a new land and a new social environment. We just thought let
them come and find their way. The ordinary citizen had no idea what was coming.
In addition despite the claims of difference the average citizen in France did not
want the immigrants in their country. Look at what is happening, the right wing in
France is gaining ground in regional elections and even organized labour is now
swinging to the right wing. Same in Holland, and Germany and we could be in
for a very unstable Europe. An unstable Europe always descends into chaos.
Many of the immigrants cannot find meaningful work and there is virtually no work
back in their home countries. It is not older immigrants engaged in acts like this
it is younger people for the most part
So what needs to be done to tone down the rhetoric, fear and hatred these are the
feelings on the main stage of society. If this gets out of control God only knows
the final chapter
It's even more historically complicated than that. Algeria was once a part of France, which meant that all Algerians born prior to separation were considered French citizens. So technicaly, they hadn't emigrated to France but rather migrated to France just as a Torontonian can migrate to Vancouver. Many French Muslims today are the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of these Algerian migrants or old-stock French converts.
Don't worry Grump they are going for Europe first . Almost like the colonization of North America . We will just move in and claim an empty land . I just hope they treat your descendants as well as we treat Tecumpsee .
At least one Syrian 'refugee' among seven Paris attackers
At least one Syrian ‘refugee’ among seven Paris attackers | New York Post
And if you look around this forum, you will see that I have been saying on here for WEEKS that many of these Syrian 'refugees' are nothing of the sort and are, in fact, members of Isis. Of course, the usual suspects probably scofffed at me, thinking I was losing my mind but, of course, I have now been proven right and you have been proven wrong.
This only strengthens the point when you realize that other countries took in more refugees than France.
Also, the first identified assailant was a French National.
Paris investigation: French national in attacks identified, vehicle located - The Jerusalem Post
Also, the first identified assailant was a French National.
Paris investigation: French national in attacks identified, vehicle located - The Jerusalem Post
In Flossy's defence, he was trying to swing the narrative so he could defend JT's promise and play xenophobe and islamophobe cards.