“Origin of the Universe Riddle Solved- and,er, It Wasn’t God”

petros

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It's a blame game. Bad things happen so it easy to blame a god that doesn't exist. No point in crediting the good to something that doesn't exist either.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Theory:

synonyms:hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presupposition; opinion, view, belief, contention

What Professor Mir has is just another theory!
No that's not what he's got, he's got a *scientific* theory, for which none of those words are an adequate synonym. A scientific theory means a coherent body of observations, ideas, information and analyses that serve to describe and explain a range of phenomena. It must be empirical, falsifiable, predictive, and testable, to earn the label "scientific," and it can never be proven right in any absolute sense. At best its status will be "not falsified," and even if it has been, like Newtonian mechanics, it may still be useful for a more limited range of phenomena than was originally thought.

Science isn't the place to look for proofs and certainties, it deals in probability and utility, and it rejects the god hypothesis as an operating principle because it isn't useful. It doesn't explain anything, it just avoids an explanation essentially by saying no further explanation is possible or necessary. Trying to explain something complex and hard to understand by invoking something even more complex and by definition impossible to understand doesn't go anywhere, it's the end of the research program.
 

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A proud Yorkshireman would tell you that God is a Yorkshireman. Yorkshire folk don't call it God's Own County for nothing.
 

darkbeaver

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Prof Mir used some mind-bending mathematics and two current theories:
Proffessor Mir discovered the source of nothing which he claims is everything.

God is plasma.

"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. " ~ Nikola TeslaToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. Nikola Tesla
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/n/nikolatesl401270.html
 

petros

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No that's not what he's got, he's got a *scientific* theory, for which none of those words are an adequate synonym. A scientific theory means a coherent body of observations, ideas, information and analyses that serve to describe and explain a range of phenomena. It must be empirical, falsifiable, predictive, and testable, to earn the label "scientific," and it can never be proven right in any absolute sense. At best its status will be "not falsified," and even if it has been, like Newtonian mechanics, it may still be useful for a more limited range of phenomena than was originally thought.

Science isn't the place to look for proofs and certainties, it deals in probability and utility, and it rejects the god hypothesis as an operating principle because it isn't useful. It doesn't explain anything, it just avoids an explanation essentially by saying no further explanation is possible or necessary. Trying to explain something complex and hard to understand by invoking something even more complex and by definition impossible to understand doesn't go anywhere, it's the end of the research program.

In a nutshell the most current plausible explanation but never absolute.
 

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“Origin of the Universe Riddle Solved- and,er, It Wasn’t God” Claim Canadian Physicists



A Group of researchers have made what may turn out to be the most significant discovery in HISTORY – how the cosmos came into being from nothing. The immense question has concerned religions, philosophers and researchers since the dawn of time but now a Canadian group of scientists consider that they have finally solved this riddle. And the results are so convincing they even challenge the need for religion, or in any case an omnipotent creator – the foundation of all world religions. A group of scientists led by Prof Mir Faizal, at the Dept of Physics and Astronomy, at the University Of Waterloo, Canada, has positively applied the theory to the very creation of existence itself. Prof Mir Faizal: “Virtual particles contain a very small amount of energy and exist for a very small amount of time. However what was difficult to explain was how did such a small amount of energy give rise to a big universe like ours?”
=http://upriser.com/posts/origin-of-the-universe-riddle-solved-ander-it-wasnt-god-claim-canadian-physicists]“Origin of the Universe Riddle Solved- and,er, It Wasn’t God” Claim Canadian Physicists | UPRISER[/url]


they continue to move in the right direction, it all makes sense to me, they will continue to find
pieces for the puzzle, science doesn't assume or guess anything, or just believe in something,
they have to prove their theories and findings.
 

darkbeaver

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they continue to move in the right direction, it all makes sense to me, they will continue to find
pieces for the puzzle, science doesn't assume or guess anything, or just believe in something,
they have to prove their theories and findings.

No they don't have to prove anything to still use the descriptor "scientist".

Read this,
Mir says we have been trying to answer the question ‘how did the universe come from nothing?’ all wrong. According to the astonishing findings, the question is irrelevant as the universe STILL is nothing. Dr Mir Faizal said: “Something did not come from nothing. The universe still is nothing, it’s just more elegantly ordered nothing. He also added that the negative gravitational energy of the cosmos and the positive matter energy of the cosmos essentially balanced out and generated a zero sum.


elegantly ordered nothing
So what Dr Mir hopes to feed the curious with is a great big bowl of elegantly ordered nothing. It is impossible to order nothing, or to discover elegant nothing.


Dr Mir is a Scamitist.
 

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By now you might have noticed | don't always line up the God side of things.
Let me pose one question Where did the nothing vessel come from for the
universe to be created in? For there to be a nothing there had to be a something
 

darkbeaver

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By now you might have noticed | don't always line up the God side of things.
Let me pose one question Where did the nothing vessel come from for the
universe to be created in? For there to be a nothing there had to be a something

And there's not a lot of room for everything in nothing, even if you could find it.
 

Twila

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By now you might have noticed | don't always line up the God side of things.
Let me pose one question Where did the nothing vessel come from for the
universe to be created in? For there to be a nothing there had to be a something

Our idea of 'nothing' may be incorrect.
 

Dexter Sinister

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But it's a handy word when referring to the unknown.
Yes, but used that way it's stripped of all theological content. Some people think it isn't and it leads deists to claim people like Einstein and Hawking as fellow travelers because they used the word that way, which evokes many tedious explanations from people like me.
 

petros

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We know far too little to make definitive claims of the origin of the universe and even less about the miracle of life.

I find it more comfortin to have the possibility of God than wasting time and energy trying to deny God.
 

darkbeaver

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We know far too little to make definitive claims of the origin of the universe and even less about the miracle of life.

I find it more comfortin to have the possibility of God than wasting time and energy trying to deny God.

My feelings exactly. However I'm quite sure that by definition there is a God.