I been in this country tres dias .... yesterday, today y manana........already some wetback takes my job.......
Obama Goes It Alone, Shielding Up To 5 Million Immigrants From Deportation
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Or they could be draft dodgers from Israel and Russia or thousands of Irish who take jobs away from NYC people. Would that make it any more tolerable?
Illegal? Better if you're Irish - LA Times
Not if they are illegal.......boot them out!
BTW would you care to compare the numbers....?
Why even bother having a House of Reps or Senate then?... Self-appointed-Dictator-for-life is what you really need
One commentator put it well...
"Obama is the president Nixon always wanted to be."
No he's not. And to be honest...he really didn't do much for illegal immigrants from what I can see.
Illegal aliens for the most part will never produce enough income to generate substantial tax liabilities. Most work in menial jobs that don't pay much or provide much in the way of savings for retirement. Most will end up as a net loss from a federal revenue standpoint. America really has no need for more low skilled or unskilled labor.
Check it out mon ami:
"Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people.
Soft despotism gives people the illusion that they are in control, when in fact they have very little influence over their government. Soft despotism breeds fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the general populace. Alexis de Tocqueville observed that this trend was avoided in America only by the "habits of the heart" of its 19th-century populace..."
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"Soft tyranny is an idea first coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835 work titled Democracy in America.[1] In effect, soft tyranny occurs whenever the social conditions of a particular community hinder any prospect of hope among its members.[2] For Tocqueville, hope is the driving force behind all democratic institutions.[3] As such, whenever this all-encompassing hope is taken away from the people, liberal democracy fails. Examples of this failure can be seen in the Weimar Republic of Germany during the 1930s, in the French Third Republic around 1940 or arguably throughout western democracies since the economic collapse of 2008..."
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The US Constitution was designed to prevent the accumulation of power. That's why it created a system of checks and balances in which the three branches of govt. had the effect of limiting each other's power. By arrogating legislative power to the executive branch Obama has done violence to the system of checks and balances established by the US Constitution. As a result the United States is moving into a post-constitutional phase. This is a very sad day for people who believe that individual liberty and personal autonomy can only exist in the realm of limited and constrained govt.
Let us be practical for a moment. Yes all illegals should be deported and make them
re enter the country legally. Now in practical terms if that were to be done the social
and economic stability of the nation would be a disaster.
All you have to do is look at the massive migration of the 1940's when India and the
country of Pakistan split and millions migrated from what was once one big nation
called India. That split has made relatively few people happy either.
So everyone is PO's with Obama well NEWS FLASH Reagan sidestepped it, the
Bush family side stepped it and before that every President who had the emerging
problem side stepped it. They class distinction ed it instead.
If you are Cuban and you can get on shore you can stay. cop out
If you are from Russia, Ireland or God knows where we just don't mention you
if you are from Mexico or Central America we will build a wall and when that doesn't
work we'll complain about you but we will not deport you.
Put that in context neither side really wants to deal with the issue
neither side believes a wall is going to do any good so they don't build a bigger one
neither side actually believes there is an economic solution to stopping them
It is time to quit bitching about it and polarizing the side they are on and get down to
actually working together to solve the problem because it will take a more than one
course of action. This is the Palestinian situation of North America Everyone wants
to fight over it and have a position on it but no one wants a solution because they'd
have nothing to fight over.
I used to firmly believe they should all be deported until the numbers in the millions
would create more expense than making them citizens and the second step is to
assist in anyway they can to make life better for these people in their own country.
we are willing to employ them at home or in America through exploiting them but we
are not willing to invest in them in their own country at a fair rate of condition.
We are not longer willing to invest in our own people at a fair rate of compensation
either. The problem is with our system period globally we are creating rich, super rich
and the poor. Something Kennedy said decades ago
If we cannot help the many who are poor we cannot save the few who are rich
that statement still rings true today
re enter the country legally. Now in practical terms if that were to be done the social
and economic stability of the nation would be a disaster.
All you have to do is look at the massive migration of the 1940's when India and the
country of Pakistan split and millions migrated from what was once one big nation
called India. That split has made relatively few people happy either.
So everyone is PO's with Obama well NEWS FLASH Reagan sidestepped it, the
Bush family side stepped it and before that every President who had the emerging
problem side stepped it. They class distinction ed it instead.
If you are Cuban and you can get on shore you can stay. cop out
If you are from Russia, Ireland or God knows where we just don't mention you
if you are from Mexico or Central America we will build a wall and when that doesn't
work we'll complain about you but we will not deport you.
Put that in context neither side really wants to deal with the issue
neither side believes a wall is going to do any good so they don't build a bigger one
neither side actually believes there is an economic solution to stopping them
It is time to quit bitching about it and polarizing the side they are on and get down to
actually working together to solve the problem because it will take a more than one
course of action. This is the Palestinian situation of North America Everyone wants
to fight over it and have a position on it but no one wants a solution because they'd
have nothing to fight over.
I used to firmly believe they should all be deported until the numbers in the millions
would create more expense than making them citizens and the second step is to
assist in anyway they can to make life better for these people in their own country.
we are willing to employ them at home or in America through exploiting them but we
are not willing to invest in them in their own country at a fair rate of condition.
We are not longer willing to invest in our own people at a fair rate of compensation
either. The problem is with our system period globally we are creating rich, super rich
and the poor. Something Kennedy said decades ago
If we cannot help the many who are poor we cannot save the few who are rich
that statement still rings true today
Au contraire, Reagan closed a loophole in the Simpson Mazzoli Act. Obama isn't working with any piece of legislation. He's simply decided not to enforce existing law. By doing so Obama has usurped the legislative function of Congress. The effect is the same as if Congress had revoked existing law and replaced it with new legislation. Obama is legislating on a de facto basis.
The way to deal with illegal aliens and their progeny is to be as accepting of them as the Palestinians are of the Israelis. No peace...not now, not ever.
What Baals Tears said (below)... It maintains the status quo for most of the illegal immigrants (albeit a few may realize a progressive opportunity)... This will be a net cost to all Americans
Well put... Sadly, what is happening now sets a new standard for other Presidents to follow if they so choose.
It is tough to explain that to people who have their minds made up. We're dealing with Gruber Voters here.
Yeah, sorry one Republican wants to get rid of it.. Sen Ted Cruz.. funny how a guy born in Canada wants to screw the everyday American over..
Look, when the Republicans take over the Senate in 2015, you watch.. Employer Mandate will be removed.. and not much else.
ObamaCare or AHC (Affordable Health Care) is here to stay..
Money talks: Obamacare initiative makes headway in Republican states
I'm not defending it.. it needs work.. and that is what the Republicans will do.. work on it.. it's already to entrenched into the USA to just obliterate it from history.
I'm not a Gruber voter, George W Bush voter..
Ronald Reagan, George Bush I, and now Obama has passed Amnesty.
I'm proud of Obama for what he has done on Immigration Reform.
... it's funny how the Obama haters are crawling out of the wood work like termites.
Republicans will shoot them in the foot here.. 2016 will be a Democrat President of the Republicans continue on with their anti-Immigration stance and start going after Obama on this Amnesty deal. Latin voters and plenty of swing voter will vote Democrat, and that includes me.. I'm tired of the crying and bickering and the inability to work together.
PS. Ted Cruz is the biggest Hypocrite in Texas, you know that Canadian that only gave up his Canadian Universal Health Care after he became a senator and now has Single Payer US Health Care for life..
Only one Republican!
Boomer... stop being ridiculous.
Remove employer mandate and Obamacare goes kaput!
Get a grip man!
Maybe and maybe not.
What TF are you talking about?
Dude you're F*ed up.
Oh I know I know.
The DamnGrumpy School of U.S Politics... not having a CLUE.