NDP Scourge On The Jewish Nation
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Somehow Colpy has formed the opinion that I am a foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Israel lobbyist. That’s really too bad, because I thought that it was a reasonable conversation that we had going on. Nowhere here have I suggested that Israel does not have the unarguable right to exist, and nowhere here have I even alluded to anything that could be remotely described as anti-Israel or anti-Jewish. What we have here is a case of conservatives who refuse to give critical thought a chance, and who wish only to repeat the Conservative Party’s talking points.
The issue being discussed is between Palestine and Israel, specifically; and the fact of the matter is that Israel controls far more territory than was originally granted under the partition order of the United Nations, because Israel annexed much of the territory granted to Arab-Palestinians. What I am trying to get at here is that both the Government of Israel, and the Palestinian Authority, have made inappropriate decisions. It is my opinion that the entire region is entirely unfit for self-government and should be administrated and governed by an outside entity.
The issue being discussed is between Palestine and Israel, specifically; and the fact of the matter is that Israel controls far more territory than was originally granted under the partition order of the United Nations, because Israel annexed much of the territory granted to Arab-Palestinians. What I am trying to get at here is that both the Government of Israel, and the Palestinian Authority, have made inappropriate decisions. It is my opinion that the entire region is entirely unfit for self-government and should be administrated and governed by an outside entity.
Another Israel/Anti-Israel Thread that again is bringing out the best (tongue
in cheek here folks) in everyone involved in this thing. Could this Thread not
have been just another post on one of the many-many Threads on pretty
the exact same topic with the same outcome involving the same players
with the same sniping, etc...?
in cheek here folks) in everyone involved in this thing. Could this Thread not
have been just another post on one of the many-many Threads on pretty
the exact same topic with the same outcome involving the same players
with the same sniping, etc...?
Another politician making a damned fool of themselves.:
Michael Ignatieff's family: refugees, or the tyrants who caused refugees?
By Ezra Levant on June 9, 2010 2:59 PM | Permalink | Comments (59)
Michael Ignatieff said something incredible outside Parliament today. He was talking about a bill to reform refugee laws in Canada. But he just couldn't help himself: he had to make it about him, because that's much more interesting. So he actually said "you're looking at a guy whose dad was a political refugee". Here's the clip:
Is everything really about him? Is a subject only interesting by virtue of having a personal connection to his eminence?
But far more interesting than his psychological quirks is the actual substance of what he said: that his father was a political refugee.
It might be technically accurate to call a wealthy aristocratic Russian family of czarist cabinet ministers who went into political exile after the revolution, and landed very, very softly in Canada, "political refugees". And the Ignatieffs did have to leave their immovable assets behind, like country dachas, and maybe even some jewelry too. But as Ignatieff wrote in his book The Russian Album at page 11, if Ignatieff's father regarded himself as a refugee, the Soviets didn't:
But that's just half of it. Ignatieff is clearly trading on his family's moral authority by virtue of being refugees. But that's probably a subject he should avoid. Ignatieff's own great-grandfather, Count Nicholas Ignatieff (pictured at left), was a leading cause of Russian refugees: as a minister in the czar's cabinet, Ignatieff's great-grandfather implemented the "May Laws", anti-Semitic Russian statutes eerily similar to Hitler's Nuremberg Laws written a few decades later. Here's a quote from The Russian Album, pages 58-59:
Of course, I don't hold Michael Ignatieff responsible for the anti-Jewish decrees enforced by his own great-grandfather, or the vicious pogroms carried out under his great-grandfather's reign. Of course not.
But if my great-grandfather had been an abusive tyrant under czarist Russia, who caused hundreds of thousands of Jews and others to flee as refugees, I'm not so sure I'd go on national TV and claim victimhood status as a son of refugees myself.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ezra Levant on his website.............
Michael Ignatieff's family: refugees, or the tyrants who caused refugees?
By Ezra Levant on June 9, 2010 2:59 PM | Permalink | Comments (59)
Michael Ignatieff said something incredible outside Parliament today. He was talking about a bill to reform refugee laws in Canada. But he just couldn't help himself: he had to make it about him, because that's much more interesting. So he actually said "you're looking at a guy whose dad was a political refugee". Here's the clip:
Is everything really about him? Is a subject only interesting by virtue of having a personal connection to his eminence?
But far more interesting than his psychological quirks is the actual substance of what he said: that his father was a political refugee.
It might be technically accurate to call a wealthy aristocratic Russian family of czarist cabinet ministers who went into political exile after the revolution, and landed very, very softly in Canada, "political refugees". And the Ignatieffs did have to leave their immovable assets behind, like country dachas, and maybe even some jewelry too. But as Ignatieff wrote in his book The Russian Album at page 11, if Ignatieff's father regarded himself as a refugee, the Soviets didn't:
"The Soviet officials, led by Nikita Khrushchev himself, called my father Graf (Count) and took him aside and asked in all sincerity why he didn't come home again and continue the diplomatic work of his grandfather instead of serving the diplomacy of a satellite state of the Americans."
What a victim! Seriously: Michael Ignatieff compares that experience to that of real refugees to Canada in 2010 -- victims of ethnic cleansing, police brutality, etc.
In 1882 he [Nicholas Ignatieff, Minister of the Interior] signed new legislation forbidding Jews to move into the countryside outside of the Pale of Jewish Settlement, to acquire land, to trade in alcohol. or to open their shops on Sundays...
When the Jewish leaders asked why they were not entitled to the same protection by the police as other Russian subjects, Ignatieff replied that they were not like other Russian subjects...
Throughout the Southern Ukraine and Bessarabia, Jewish shops were smashed and burned and crowds carrying icons, often led by priests, were allowed to rampage through the Jewish quarters of the towns beating and cursing, looting and burning. Delegations of Jewish leaders came to see Ignatieff at the Ministry of the Interior. They told him they were in bondage as under Pharaoh. 'So when is your Exodus, and where is your Moses,' he is supposed to have said in reply. The Western borders of the Empire were open he insisted - If they wanted to leave for their promised land he would not stop them. And they did by the hundreds of thousands over the next decade, streaming across Europe to the boats which took them to Ellis Island or Palestine.
One of those refugees was my own great-grandfather, who fled Ignatieff's anti-Semitic dictatorship and moved to Edmonton, Alberta in 1903.When the Jewish leaders asked why they were not entitled to the same protection by the police as other Russian subjects, Ignatieff replied that they were not like other Russian subjects...
Throughout the Southern Ukraine and Bessarabia, Jewish shops were smashed and burned and crowds carrying icons, often led by priests, were allowed to rampage through the Jewish quarters of the towns beating and cursing, looting and burning. Delegations of Jewish leaders came to see Ignatieff at the Ministry of the Interior. They told him they were in bondage as under Pharaoh. 'So when is your Exodus, and where is your Moses,' he is supposed to have said in reply. The Western borders of the Empire were open he insisted - If they wanted to leave for their promised land he would not stop them. And they did by the hundreds of thousands over the next decade, streaming across Europe to the boats which took them to Ellis Island or Palestine.
Of course, I don't hold Michael Ignatieff responsible for the anti-Jewish decrees enforced by his own great-grandfather, or the vicious pogroms carried out under his great-grandfather's reign. Of course not.
But if my great-grandfather had been an abusive tyrant under czarist Russia, who caused hundreds of thousands of Jews and others to flee as refugees, I'm not so sure I'd go on national TV and claim victimhood status as a son of refugees myself.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ezra Levant on his website.............
No
This thread has to do with one of many hidden agendas of the NDP and with a possible election in the fall people should explore the short comings of the NDP a party that would lead Canada down the communist road if it ever came to power.
Kind of like PET did. We're still recovering from that debacle of socialist ideology run amok.
That's hilarious! Do you think Levant will be visited by the Human Rights Commission for such comments?
Ignatieff should be careful what he says in public....
Weren't communism, socialism and unionism called a product of Judaism? Maybe we should all get our label-makers together....
Blame everything on the Jews it's much easier than acknowledging your shortcomings
Since when was a question passing blame? Guilty conscience ... or just propaganda fishing?
My shortcoming ... or yours?
No I didn't mean you specifically lone wolf blaming a Jew or scapegoating is always easier for people deal with when they had something to do with the situation.
Take the Germans in 1930s it was more convenient to blame a Jew than find a solution to their problems.
I have a conscience and I don't feel guilty Israel is defending themselves and a navel blockade is one way to do it.
When the Gaza government or hamas stop shooting rockets into Israel and prove to Israel that they want to seriously give peace a chance the navel blockades will end.
Libby Davies and Israel: Bob Rae and the Liberal merger faction take a run at the NDP
Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 07:12 PM
Comments: 4
NDP deputy leader Libby Davies is in a heap of trouble over her statements, made on video, that can only really be interpreted as voicing a belief that Israel has no right to exist:
I don't think this proves me wrong. I think I can make an argument that suggests this plays right into Bob Rae's hands.
First of all, Bob Rae is being honest, and we should not for a moment doubt this. He is truly offended by what Libby Davies had to say, and sincerely hopes that she will be punished and that her political career will be effectively ended. Recall that Bob Rae's wife is Jewish, and that during the Liberal Party leadership convention, the seamy anti-Semitic underbelly of Canadian "progressivism" hit him in the most personal way:
Bob Rae wants to unite the left. We know that. He has said that. But the NDP is home to some of the most virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Israel sentiment in Canadian party politics. None of this is a surprise to anyone. NDP leader Jack Layton's anger with Libby Davies could be seen as frustration that she let the Jew-hating cat out of the NDP bag.
So how does this help Bob Rae? By ripping Libby Davies to shreds, he is turning her into a martyr for the anti-Semites who think they own part of the NDP. If he can whip up the frenzy to the level that she is driven out of the NDP, that Jew-hating mob will leave with her, weakening the NDP and Jack Layton. As the anti-Semites abandon the NDP, the complexion of the NDP will change. The faction representing urban progressive elitists debating Marxist theory in coffee shops and university common rooms and inventing euphemisms like "global justice" to mask their anti-Semitism will fade and the traditional NDP of rural populists and urban labour unions will reassert itself.
Jack Layton, a product of that urban progressive elite and representing their interests, will be seriously undermined. I mean, it's no coincidence that Jack Layton made someone like Libby Davies his deputy leader.
That would leave a wounded NDP, with its centre of political gravity slipping slightly to the right with the loss of Libby Davies and her hard-left admirers, and a weakened Jack Layton shorn of a major portion of his internal support, facing the Liberals under Bob Rae, demanding a merger under terms friendly to the Liberal Party.
Did I say friendly to the Liberal Party? I meant to say friendly to Bob Rae.
So what does Michael Ignatieff have to say about this? I don't know. He hasn't said anything on behalf of the Liberal Party regarding Libby Davies. Bob Rae has been front and centre.
I think that's very significant.
As for the unwashed and unkempt rabble that support Libby Davies and her opinions about Israel, they are, true to form, incensed that anyone would dare voice support for the Zionist entity.
Here are some choice comments, but really, I'm not cherry-picking:
remind:
This is the anger Bob Rae wants unleashed inside the NDP. He wants these people to abandon the NDP and leave Jack Layton vulnerable, at least for a while. Then, if Bob Rae can get his Liberal ducks in a row, he can make his move on the weakened (and somewhat less radical) NDP, merge it with the Liberal Party, and leave this rabble on the outside looking in. I suppose they can start a new party with these guys.
Michelle gets it: Michelle, the forum administrator at rabble.ca, gets it:
Tuesday, June 15, 2010 at 07:12 PM
Comments: 4
NDP deputy leader Libby Davies is in a heap of trouble over her statements, made on video, that can only really be interpreted as voicing a belief that Israel has no right to exist:
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has joined a growing list of politicians and stakeholders demanding that Libby Davies resign her position as NDP deputy leader over comments made at an anti-Israeli government protest this month in Vancouver that questioned the Jewish state's right to exist.
Davies's remarks were captured on video by an Internet journalist who asked her questions about the conflict in the Middle East and then posted it online. Davies had suggested in the video that the occupation of Palestinian territories began in 1948 - the year of Israel's independence - and she also expressed her personal support for a campaign to boycott and sanction the country.
But read what Bob Rae has to say about Libby Davies. Besides calling for her resignation, he deftly and brutally eliminates any excuses she might offer or that her apologists might suggest:Davies's remarks were captured on video by an Internet journalist who asked her questions about the conflict in the Middle East and then posted it online. Davies had suggested in the video that the occupation of Palestinian territories began in 1948 - the year of Israel's independence - and she also expressed her personal support for a campaign to boycott and sanction the country.
"These are not the off-the-cuff ramblings of any ill-informed or biased person," Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said in a statement Tuesday. "Ms. Davies is the deputy leader of a political party that aspires to reflect and represent the views of Canada on the international stage. In this role, fully cognizant of her responsibilities, she stated that Israel has been occupying territories since 1948, the year of its independence. The logical implication of these comments is that Israel has no right to exist."
Rae also said Davies erred in suggesting that this was "the longest occupation in the world," explaining that it reflects a "complete disregard" for the facts.
"This is a position that is more than just 'unacceptable,'" said Rae. "This rhetoric is responsible for more than 'confusion,' and an 'inadvertent error,' as Ms. Davies now suggests. The appropriate decision, given her stature and responsibilities with the NDP, is for Mr. Layton to ask for her resignation as deputy leader and for Ms. Davies to issue an apology to all Canadians. Nothing short of that will do."
Bob Rae has done on number on me, right? I just finished writing a piece on how Bob Rae is positioning himself to take over from Michael "No Merger On My Watch" Ignatieff so that Rae can then unite the left by merging the Liberal Party and the NDP. And here he is blasting one of the NDP's most recognizable figures.Rae also said Davies erred in suggesting that this was "the longest occupation in the world," explaining that it reflects a "complete disregard" for the facts.
"This is a position that is more than just 'unacceptable,'" said Rae. "This rhetoric is responsible for more than 'confusion,' and an 'inadvertent error,' as Ms. Davies now suggests. The appropriate decision, given her stature and responsibilities with the NDP, is for Mr. Layton to ask for her resignation as deputy leader and for Ms. Davies to issue an apology to all Canadians. Nothing short of that will do."
I don't think this proves me wrong. I think I can make an argument that suggests this plays right into Bob Rae's hands.
First of all, Bob Rae is being honest, and we should not for a moment doubt this. He is truly offended by what Libby Davies had to say, and sincerely hopes that she will be punished and that her political career will be effectively ended. Recall that Bob Rae's wife is Jewish, and that during the Liberal Party leadership convention, the seamy anti-Semitic underbelly of Canadian "progressivism" hit him in the most personal way:
Several days following his defeat at the leadership convention it was reported that Rae's wife, Arlene Perly Rae was approached by a delegate who did not know who she was, and who told her that she should not vote for Rae because his wife is Jewish. A flyer was also sent electronically to convention delegates, stating that Rae's wife was a vice-president of the Canadian Jewish Congress and that he was a supporter of Israeli apartheid. The Canadian Press reported that the flyer was produced by Ron Saba, the editor of a small Montreal journal. Newly elected Liberal leader Stephane Dion issued a press release condemning the "hateful comments" made against Rae and his wife, saying that they are "reprehensible and will not be tolerated within the Liberal Party of Canada," adding that "there is no room for abhorrent comments such as these within our Party."
But as sincere as Bob Rae's feelings are, I think the incident with Libby Davies suits Rae's plans as well.
Bob Rae wants to unite the left. We know that. He has said that. But the NDP is home to some of the most virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Israel sentiment in Canadian party politics. None of this is a surprise to anyone. NDP leader Jack Layton's anger with Libby Davies could be seen as frustration that she let the Jew-hating cat out of the NDP bag.
So how does this help Bob Rae? By ripping Libby Davies to shreds, he is turning her into a martyr for the anti-Semites who think they own part of the NDP. If he can whip up the frenzy to the level that she is driven out of the NDP, that Jew-hating mob will leave with her, weakening the NDP and Jack Layton. As the anti-Semites abandon the NDP, the complexion of the NDP will change. The faction representing urban progressive elitists debating Marxist theory in coffee shops and university common rooms and inventing euphemisms like "global justice" to mask their anti-Semitism will fade and the traditional NDP of rural populists and urban labour unions will reassert itself.
Jack Layton, a product of that urban progressive elite and representing their interests, will be seriously undermined. I mean, it's no coincidence that Jack Layton made someone like Libby Davies his deputy leader.
That would leave a wounded NDP, with its centre of political gravity slipping slightly to the right with the loss of Libby Davies and her hard-left admirers, and a weakened Jack Layton shorn of a major portion of his internal support, facing the Liberals under Bob Rae, demanding a merger under terms friendly to the Liberal Party.
Did I say friendly to the Liberal Party? I meant to say friendly to Bob Rae.
So what does Michael Ignatieff have to say about this? I don't know. He hasn't said anything on behalf of the Liberal Party regarding Libby Davies. Bob Rae has been front and centre.
I think that's very significant.
As for the unwashed and unkempt rabble that support Libby Davies and her opinions about Israel, they are, true to form, incensed that anyone would dare voice support for the Zionist entity.
Here are some choice comments, but really, I'm not cherry-picking:
remind:
Hopefully Muclair loses his seat, and I will be writing a letter to the NDP and Jack Layton over this BS.
In fact I will be visualizing the Liberals getting Muclair's seat......****er.
Michelle (forum moderator):In fact I will be visualizing the Liberals getting Muclair's seat......****er.
I don't see anything wrong with anything she said.
Unionist:
No kidding, Michelle. I didn't see anything wrong with what Mable Elmore said either. In fact, I didn't see anything wrong with what Leslie Hughes said, for that matter. Not even Helen Thomas!
But you and I aren't worthy to judge those things. We're not in Stephen Harper's "Israel's best friend in the world" camp. And we're not spineless cowards. So we're disqualified from the judging.
Michael Nenonen:But you and I aren't worthy to judge those things. We're not in Stephen Harper's "Israel's best friend in the world" camp. And we're not spineless cowards. So we're disqualified from the judging.
I've written to Layton expressing my support for Libby, for all the good it will do. I'm really beginning to feel ethical revulsion towards the NDP and towards their apologists on this matter.
And then Murray Dobbin, a senior contributing editor for rabble.ca and one of the leading voices for Canadian progressives:
Here's where the question of leadership comes in. Jack Layton has said virtually nothing about the hideous blockade of Gaza - what commentators call an outdoor prison. Why? Because he is does not, apparently, have the political courage to take an independent stand on Canadian foreign policy. He said virtually nothing when eleven aid activists were murdered (some of them executed at close range or shot in the back) by Israeli commandos.
No one said leadership is easy. Jack Layton should back off, tell Thomas Mulcair to quit exposing the party to public ridicule, and maybe consider taking a stand, with Libby, on behalf of the Palestinians of Gaza. He might be pleasantly surprised at the response of Canadians.
The push has come to Bob Rae's shove, and it's Jack Layton who is being knocked down. Hard.No one said leadership is easy. Jack Layton should back off, tell Thomas Mulcair to quit exposing the party to public ridicule, and maybe consider taking a stand, with Libby, on behalf of the Palestinians of Gaza. He might be pleasantly surprised at the response of Canadians.
This is the anger Bob Rae wants unleashed inside the NDP. He wants these people to abandon the NDP and leave Jack Layton vulnerable, at least for a while. Then, if Bob Rae can get his Liberal ducks in a row, he can make his move on the weakened (and somewhat less radical) NDP, merge it with the Liberal Party, and leave this rabble on the outside looking in. I suppose they can start a new party with these guys.
Michelle gets it: Michelle, the forum administrator at rabble.ca, gets it:
So, Mulcair and Rae, up in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g...
I'd like to know why these two are so bent on destroying Libby Davies over pretty much nothing. Is this part of the new party coalition building we keep hearing so much about but that everyone keeps denying?
Are we looking at the new leadership of the Liberal Democrats or something?
Yes, Michelle, you are. And if Bob Rae is playing you like a violin, it's because a foolish and hate-filled woman in the person of Libby Davies provided him with the sheet music.I'd like to know why these two are so bent on destroying Libby Davies over pretty much nothing. Is this part of the new party coalition building we keep hearing so much about but that everyone keeps denying?
Are we looking at the new leadership of the Liberal Democrats or something?
AVRO: Very interesting indeed! Thanks. If Rae can pull in a major portion of the NDP without jerking the Liberals too much further left, they might have a chance at the polls....perish the thought!!!!!
K.... My bad. The post was written moments after a Herman Goering fest on History Channel - where the analogy was made.
Di'ja know crow is better'n chicken?