NDP already being annoying in new Parliament

[FiveParadox]

Trudeau said (exactly) what he said. No amount of clarifications and explanations will change that.

Accept these facts and move on, there is no amount of post-comment rhetoric that will change the official record

Well, whatever the "official record" from 2014 shows, the fact of the matter is that the current and official position of the Liberals is that all party members are welcome to have anti-choice views and to express anti-choice sentiments, but votes relating to the Charter are not free votes.

 

[petros]

Then that isn't very democratic is it?

 

[pgs]

Then that isn't very democratic is it?

No they are doing it different . Their whip doesn't use chains .

 

[Angstrom]

The Dippers are doing what they believe is in the best interests of their constituents. Certainly a stab in the heart of the true believers that feel that JT is infallible.

Mind you, I do get a kick out of the comment of Trudeau's exceptional accountability, if memory serves, didn't he state that MPs could vote their conscious on the abortion issue provided that the Lib Party would never accept a pro-life candidate?

That said, spare me the holier-than-thou nonsense

That's the thing with the holier-than-thou argument. You always fall short of it yourself at one pointe or a other.

 

[captain morgan]

Well, whatever the "official record" from 2014 shows, the fact of the matter is that the current and official position of the Liberals is that all party members are welcome to have anti-choice views and to express anti-choice sentiments, but votes relating to the Charter are not free votes.

Thanks for the lol.

So the general low-down is that the Liberal Party MPs can vote their conscious, provided that they hold the same conscious of Der Leader.

Normally, that is the political ideology that one would expect from North Korea, not Canada, but hey, Sunny Days, right?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Isn't that basically the job description for the bronze-medal party?

 

[captain morgan]

Isn't that basically the job description for the bronze-medal party?

That is generally the expected function of such, but JT is taking a page from Chretin's playbook on the issue... The difference I see this go-around is that the base issue (abortion) is such a hot button that I am surprised that he would wade into the fray so willingly.

... Be interesting to see if it comes back to bite him in the backside

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That is generally the expected function of such, but JT is taking a page from Chretin's playbook on the issue... The difference I see this go-around is that the base issue (abortion) is such a hot button that I am surprised that he would wade into the fray so willingly.

... Be interesting to see if it comes back to bite him in the backside

Amusing, too.

 

[Cannuck]

Well, whatever the "official record" from 2014 shows, the fact of the matter is that the current and official position of the Liberals is that all party members are welcome to have anti-choice views and to express anti-choice sentiments, but votes relating to the Charter are not free votes.

Could you explain to me how voting to accept the idea that life begins at conception is "anti-choice"? Do you also feel that the U.S. giving black people the same rights as others was somehow "anti-choice"?

 

[taxslave]

Abortion is murdering babies if you believe life begins at conception. Do try and keep up.

But it doesn't. Life starts at birth. Best you avoid topics you know nothing about.

 

[Cannuck]

But it doesn't. Life starts at birth.

Therein lies the debate. Obviously you and Gerry disagree.

 

[taxslave]

That is generally the expected function of such, but JT is taking a page from Chretin's playbook on the issue... The difference I see this go-around is that the base issue (abortion) is such a hot button that I am surprised that he would wade into the fray so willingly.

... Be interesting to see if it comes back to bite him in the backside

Is that willingly or unwittingly?

Therein lies the debate. Obviously you and Gerry disagree.

There is no debate. It is obvious life begins at birth. Life beginning at conception is more like religion. No proof is required, just belief.

 

[Cannuck]

There is no debate.

Don't be silly. Of course there is, otherwise there would be no prolife movement.

 

[davesmom]

Opposition for the sake of opposition has become a hallmark of Canadian governments. Dysfunction gets us nowhere ... and majorities get us dictatorships. Isn't it time to learn co-operation and playing well in the sandbox again?

I t would be irresponsible of the opposition parties to 'play nice' and go along with most of the Liberal's hair-brained schemes. The Liberals are intent on changing things just for the sake of changing with never a thought to whether they really NEED changing or not.

 

[DaSleeper]

Is that willingly or unwittingly?



There is no debate. It is obvious life begins at birth. Life beginning at conception is more like religion. No proof is required, just belief.

What do you mean?
You have a consensus?

 

[lone wolf]

I t would be irresponsible of the opposition parties to 'play nice' and go along with most of the Liberal's hair-brained schemes. The Liberals are intent on changing things just for the sake of changing with never a thought to whether they really NEED changing or not.

Why would you assume I am accusing one specific gang of schoolyard politics?

 

[gerryh]

But it doesn't. Life starts at birth. Best you avoid topics you know nothing about.

So, the baby is dead before it is born?

 

[pgs]

So, the baby is dead before it is born?

Ask your leader I am sure he can explain . I am equally sure he can explain why he can accept Holy Communion well refusing his elected members to vote their conscience on this matter .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So, the baby is dead before it is born?

Is an ovum dead before it's fertilized?

 

[gerryh]

Is an ovum dead before it's fertilized?

Nope, but it only has half the DNA required to be human.