Mormonism: Cult or Religion?

Dexter Sinister

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Your right, American's for the most part believe in God 90+% ...
Interesting, but as usual it depends what questions the pollsters ask. A report in my local newspaper last Saturday, which interested me enough to clip out and save, said 44% of Americans told the Baylor University Religion Survey in 2011 that they spend no time seeking "eternal wisdom, " and 19% said "it's useless to search for meaning." 46% in 2011 told an evangelical research agency based in Nashville called Lifeway Research that they never wonder whether they'll go to heaven (though that might just mean they're sure they will), 28% said "It's not a major priority in my life to find my deeper purpose," and 18% reportedly scoffed at the idea that god has a plan or purpose for everyone.

More nuanced questions suggest the U.S. might be a good deal more secular than is commonly believed, and maybe the secularists just don't stand for public office or go to political rallies. True believers are still a clear majority, so much so that you'd have no chance of being elected in most jurisdictions if you stood up and announced disbelief, and in some places it'd be actively dangerous to do so. It remains true that the level of religious observance is the U.S. is anomalously high compared to other western democracies, you have to go into the Third World to find anything that matches it, but a simplistic question like "Do you believe in god?" won't distinguish a deist from a theist from a flaming fundamentalist.

 

karrie

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but a simplistic question like "Do you believe in god?" won't distinguish a deist from a theist from a flaming fundamentalist.



Especially given the fact that I swear fundamentalism is more about controlling other people than it is about personal belief. One fairly fundamental right wing Christian I knew actually admitted to not really believing in god at all, merely he supported the views espoused in the Bible as to how to live, and would like to see them implemented.
 

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As you are well aware, my question about Evangelicals was tongue in cheek. What does concern me, as a interested observer of American politics, is the insistence on religious conformity as the litmus for political candidates.
Not quite "free at last."

A question on that Brother.

Obama identifies as a black man. Yet his mother is white. To me i really do not give a crap about a persons color. But I am confused.

As to a person running for elected office without any religious beliefs. What are the stats for Western Europe on this? I am referring to a PM or President - an equivilent position.
 

Spade

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The first part of the issue.
It speaks volumes that in America, Obama is called "black" and not simply a "man."
As you know, South Africa under Apartheid classified everyone according to race even for a smidgeon of DNA.

Will get back to you...
I cannot think that democracies such as France and Germany would use this litmus.

Sarkozy - lapsed (non-practising) Catholic
 

Goober

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The first part of the issue.
It speaks volumes that in America, Obama is called "black" and not simply a "man."
As you know, South Africa under Apartheid classified everyone according to race even for a smidgeon of DNA.

Will get back to you...
I cannot think that democracies such as France and Germany would use this litmus.

Sarkozy - lapsed (non-practising) Catholic

It also speaks volumes that he won in Iowa during the primaries.


Lots of lapsed RC's around. We over at the UCC take em in all the time.:smile::smile:
 

karrie

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Obama identifies as a black man. Yet his mother is white. To me i really do not give a crap about a persons color. But I am confused.

You might care less, but, when the world brushed up against Barack Obama and formed his view of who he is, what do you think the impression he got from the world was? That he was black? Or white? Because typically, interacting with someone in a real world setting, you don't ask for their lineage before you decide how you're going to treat them.
 

Goober

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You might care less, but, when the world brushed up against Barack Obama and formed his view of who he is, what do you think the impression he got from the world was? That he was black? Or white? Because typically, interacting with someone in a real world setting, you don't ask for their lineage before you decide how you're going to treat them.

True - But it is apparent he is of mixed heritage. And people today still have that racist attitude, whether it is color, religion and or ethnicity.
I recall his 1st speech to the National Party – Great speaker – And as I mentioned he won in Iowa – Small town USA.
 

Spade

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Goober,
Another...
Fredrik Reinfeldt, Prime Minister of Sweden (The damn junior cup winners!), Agnostic
Cheers,
Brother Spade

PS
Looks like Hell will have European management.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Looks like Hell will have European management.
Long as the cooks are French and the police are British, we'll be fine.


More on point, far as I know the U.S. is the only western nation where the religious views of candidates are routinely political issues.