Looks Like Curtains for Hugo Chavez

EagleSmack

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Let me know when Americans start parading the streets like they did with Osama's death.

Nah... they won't do that for Chavez. That was an anomaly that I so enjoyed. They were even cheering in Harvard Yard and Harvard Square... a hot bed for ultra-libbies.

Chavez will go out with a whimper here whenever he passed on. He's not that important.
 

MHz

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I love a good ghost story, please go on.
As you wish.

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After the American Civil War the white supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan carried out lynchings of African-Americans. This was often with the unofficial support of some local and state level leaders in the American south. In the introduction to "Death Squads in Global Perspective: Murder With Deniability," author Bruce B. Campbell describes the KKK as "one of the first proto-death squads," which "conducted death-squad-like killings and other terrorist acts against recently freed black slaves, “carpetbaggers,” and those thought to collaborate too closely with the agents of the victorious federal government engaged in “reconstructing” the recently rebellious South." Campbell notes the difference with modern death-squads was that the Ku Klux Klan was associated with elements of a defeated state rather than the ruling governmental entity. "Otherwise, in its murderous intent, links to private elite interests, and covert nature, it very closely resembles modern death squads.”[80]
A Salon.com post by Greg Grandin accuses United States of being responsible for training and setting up death squads in South and Central American countries.[81] The School of the Americas, run by the US Army in Georgia has been accused by various critics of the US of having trained "500 of the worst human rights abusers in the hemisphere"[82] The CIA was accused of making extensive use of death squads in the Phoenix Program during the Vietnam War. It is estimated that as many as 19,000 alleged Viet Cong were killed during this program.[83]
 

mentalfloss

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You forgot the part where the racists moved up to Canada and formed our current government. :)
 

Cliffy

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Gotta laugh at the nonsense that comes out about any leader that don't kiss Yanky ass and those that believe it all.
 

CDNBear

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I speak Spanish and I support MHz's viewpoint. Venezuela was ruled by governments which silenced opposition by assassination.

Human Rights Watch World Report 2002: Americas: Venezuela
What do you mean was? It still is, according to your vaulted AI.

Do you kep up with AI on their reports.
Venezuela | Amnesty International
Don't use facts that EAO won't like. AI only matter when Israel is involved. Whe they speak out about Chavez, AI is an American stooge.

Isn't that the dead head squad?
No, mentalfuzz is a dittohead (<< Thanks, you know who you are)

Gotta laugh at the nonsense that comes out about any leader that don't kiss Yanky ass and those that believe it all.
Actually I couldn't care less that he likes to poke America in the eye, or mismanage his countries petro wealth.

I care about what he's doing to his people.
 

earth_as_one

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Please refrain from PERSONAL ATTACKS and keep this thread ON TOPIC!!

IN my last post, I wrote:

I speak Spanish and I support MHz's viewpoint. Venezuela was ruled by governments which silenced opposition by assassination.

Human Rights Watch World Report 2002: Americas: Venezuela

If you followed the link, you would have read this:

As in the past, the most pressing human rights issues facing the government of President Hugo Chávez involved crime and the criminal justice system. High levels of violent crime placed great stress on public institutions, whose level of professionalism was often low. Corruption and violence in the police forces and the prison system remained endemic, while the judiciary--under-funded, inefficient, and often corrupt--was incapable of dispensing justice in an efficient manner.
The extrajudicial execution of criminal suspects by police continued to be a major human rights problem. A disturbing recent development was the emergence in some states of organized death squads, acting with impunity and even publishing their hit lists in local newspapers.
President Chávez's frequent outbursts against his political and media critics, coupled with his authoritarian style of governance, raised fears of encroachments on civil liberties and free expression. However, as in previous years, Chávez's rhetoric was generally more aggressive than his actions.
Human Rights Watch World Report 2002: Americas: Venezuela

???

So how does posting a link to human rights problems under HC translate to support for HC?

Anyone who follows this forum can figure out pretty quick that most of what some people claim about me is a complete fabrication.
 

MHz

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Anyone who follows this forum can figure out pretty quick that most of what some people claim about me is a complete fabrication.
They are just doing a poor imitation of their masters. Don't sweat it and don't expect it to let up. (sorry to say but it's the truth)

Ironic that this thread gave him a curtain and a mike and then the announcement that he will be top at the UN for human rights. I'd gladly sit beside him over any counterpart the sleazy West has produced in the same time he has been in power.
 

CDNBear

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So how does posting a link to human rights problems under HC translate to support for HC?
You think this is the first time you've discussed Chavez on CC?

And lets not forget how this...
I speak Spanish and I support MHz's viewpoint. Venezuela was ruled by governments which silenced opposition by assassination.
Little tid bit qualifies of your position.

Anyone who follows this forum can figure out pretty quick that most of what some people claim about me is a complete fabrication.
Stop it, you don't do Jesus nearly as well as you tried to do Gandhi.
 

earth_as_one

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Meanwhile, here is the response to unsupported rumors of HC's impending death:

Venezuela’s government scoffed yesterday at a report that Hugo Chavez is in Cuba for more urgent cancer treatment, denouncing it as part of a “dirty war” by the opposition ahead of a presidential election in October. It was just the latest in a cycle of rumours about the health of the socialist leader that have ranged all the way from him having only months left to live to the whole saga being a pre-vote invention by his allies to let him make a Messiah-like return.
A prominent opposition-leaning Venezuelan journalist, Nelson Bocaranda, wrote on Monday that Chavez, who had surgery in Havana last June to remove a tumour from his pelvis, had returned to Cuba and that some of his relatives were flying there too.
But the government denied it, with Information Minister Andres Izarra saying it was rumour spread as part of a “dirty war by scum,” while Congress leader Diosdado Cabello said Chavez was healthy and could give his detractors a surprise.
“Bocaranda is sick in his soul. Everyday he wishes for the death of the commandante, or is it that someone is paying him to write his lies?” Cabello wrote on Twitter.

Caracas scoffs at Chavez health rumours, claims

I doubt anyone besides HC and his doctors know the full truth.

You think this is the first time you've discussed Chavez on CC?

And lets not forget how this...Little tid bit qualifies of your position.

Stop it, you don't do Jesus nearly as well as you tried to do Gandhi.

HC is an improvement over previous governments. Venezuela's poor and middle class are better off now than before. Some wealthy people are worse off, but saying this is hardly an expression of support. Its an ackowledgement of relative improvement, like improving your mark from an F to a D.
 

gopher

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Good News for Venezuelans

"Good"? The economy vastly expanded, the standard of living significantly improved, literacy and health care improved for the majority under Chavez while human rights violations were FAR worse in other Latin American countries. Thus, the majority there would not view this as "good news".
 

bill barilko

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It's only a matter of time now....

Hugo Chavez says new tumor was cancerous

CARACAS, Venezuela -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez revealed Sunday that a new tumor recently removed from his pelvic region was of the same type of cancer as a baseball-sized growth extracted from that part of his body about seven months ago.

In his first TV appearance in nine days, Chavez said the surgery and follow-up tests showed the tumor was "a recurrence of the initially diagnosed cancer."

He said "the tumor was totally extracted" and noted "the absence of lesions suggestive of cancer neither locally, neither in nearby organs, neither far away ... neither metastasis, none of this thanks to God, to the diagnosis and rapid intervention."

The 57-year-old president said he would spend several weeks recoverings and then "we are going to do radiation treatment in the area ... without discarding other treatment options."

"There isn't fever nor any other sign neither infection, hemorrhage," he said. He called the post-surgery healing "perfect in relation to the time that's passed, and we are already doing physical therapy.

Chavez spoke firmly in footage recorded Saturday in Havana while accompanied by various government ministers and older brother Adan Chavez. The president said his recuperation has been "open, progressive and rapid" in the footage aired Sunday in Venezuela.

Chavez said "still it hasn't been six days because the operation ended on the night of last Sunday." He verified the date of the recording by displaying a Saturday copy of the Cuban government newspaper Granma and a similar copy of the Venezuelan government paper Correo del Orinoco.

"We are very optimistic," he said while seated at an oval table. "There is a very favorable medical evolution, the vital signs very favorable."

He has said doctors found the growth in the same pelvic area where a malignant, baseball-sized tumor was extracted in June 2011. He underwent several weeks of radiation treatment in 2011.

Chavez flew to Cuba for his most recent surgery on Feb. 24, and his absence from the public spotlight since then has sparked speculation about his health.

Chavez phoned into a show Friday on Venezuelan state television when he said he was recovering well.

"Everyone who has been operated on knows ... the impact of an operation of various hours," Chavez said in the most recent footage. "And how, above all the first day when the body begins to awaken, the pains begin, the obstacles, after one goes step by step recovering the functioning of the body, like I am recovering it."

He added, "Since almost the second day, I began to walk. For this, I say thanks to God, to everybody."

He was shown in a white-walled room, in front of paintings of Cuban independence leader Jose Marti and South American hero Simon Bolivar. With no one taking over his duties in Venezuela, Chavez issued instructions to government ministers in the footage and approved the budgets of various state-owned companies.

As he has done in recent weeks, Chavez defended Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad, who has tried to violently crush a popular revolt in much of the Middle Eastern country. Venezuela has at least twice sent shipments of diesel oil to Syria over the past months.

"We continue lamenting the aggressions against Syria," Chavez said, "and the pressure of the United States government and many European countries, failing to recognize the sovereignty of a people such as the Syrian people."

"From here," Chavez said, "we send our solidarity to the Syrian people and to President Bashar Al-Assad."
 

wulfie68

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I sincerely hope that he suffers a horribly painful death. He has earned it, and he deserves it.

I don't wish a painful death on anyone, and while I am not a fan of what Chavez has done by any stretch (I avoid buying his oil from Citgo stations), I definitely don't wish a lingering death on him. There are some, I think deserve death for their actions but my thought is kill them quick so we can forget about them, save for any lessons we learn that make us better or safer in the future; Chavez may be one of these, I'm not really decided. In the end, wishing ill on others is just bad karma.