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[diaeagle]

Re: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

Occupied Jerusalem - Israeli War Minister on Tuesday claimed that the bombardment of Palestinian civilian neighborhoods in northern Gaza was in part a reaction to Hamas’s election victory in the late January polls.

Speaking to the Israeli public radio Tuesday, Shaul Mofaz said the stepped-up Israeli attacks in Gaza had two main purposes, responding to the firing of home-made projectiles onto Israeli settlements by Palestinian resistance fighters and showing Israeli displeasure with the Hamas government.

The intensive Israeli shelling of Palestinian population centers has killed more than 20 Palestinians, including at least two children.

On Monday, an Israeli tank fired an artillery shell at a home in Gaza, killing an 8-year old girl, Hadil Rabi’ Ghaban, and maiming and injuring her entire family.

On Tuesday, acting Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was sorry for killing the girl, but added that bombarding Palestinian civilian neighborhoods would continue.

The Israeli army killed thousands of innocent civilians during the past six years, including over 1400 children and minors.

 

[jimmoyer]

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Gaza rockets kill two in Israel

Palestinian rockets have slammed into an Israeli town killing two people - one of them a three-year old child.

At least nine other people were injured in the southern town of Sderot after two rockets launched from the nearby Gaza Strip landed near a kindergarten.

Earlier, a huge explosion at an Israeli army outpost in the Gaza Strip killed one soldier and injured five others.

Israeli army sources said Palestinian militants dug a tunnel and set off the blast from beneath the base.

Israeli helicopters later fired missiles at two metal workshops in the Zeitoun area of Gaza City, but no serious injuries were reported.

Soon after the attack on the military outpost at the Gush Katif junction - near Israeli settlements - a Palestinian police officer and a teenager were killed by Israeli gunfire near the nearby Khan Yunis refugee camp.

The Israeli army said there was heavy Palestinian gunfire from the camp and that troops fired back.


Rocket attack

Israeli security sources said two rockets landed near a Sderot school and shopping centre.

A man was killed as well as the three-year-old boy. The child's mother was among the injured.


Television footage from the scene showed a child's shoes lying in a pool of blood in the street.
"So far Sderot had been lucky in the Qassam (rocket) attacks, but that luck ran out today," Israeli cabinet minister Gideon Ezra told Israel Radio.


"The prime minister is determined to continue with his disengagement plan and terrorism will not dictate our political plans," a senior Israeli official said.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

Hezbollah, a group that kicked out Israel from Southern Lebanon.

Hamas, now the democratically elected government of Palestine.

:roll:

That's nice about your opinion, but until occupied Palestinian are free of Israeli murderous actions, at least 1,400 children murdered in the past five years alone. I will call it as I see it.

Check up El-Arish Massacre where your glorious IDF forces killed 1,000 Eqyptian POWs and then U.N observers.

Israel withdrew from Lebanon don't try to rewrite history. :lol:
Your comments are Anti-Israeli as are the threads you start on Israel. Your comments on this thread have shown you are pro Hamas and Hezbollah two recognized Terrorist Organizations.

JU it is much "cooler" to say that Hezzbolah kicked Israel out of S. Lebanon. Even though the the only people that Hezz has success killing is Israelis on their way to work.

Hamas can fire a hundred rockets and the haters of Israel won't make a peep. When Israel retalliates they go bananas.

 

[EagleSmack]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

The bottom line is this.

The haters of Israel do support the killing of it's people and wiping Israel off the map.

No argument that any Israeli supporter can give in support and justification of Israels right to exist and defend itself is given any weight.

Israel withdraws from these areas and the first thing this Hammas group does is set up firing positions. And believe me those rockets they use are not accurate in the least. They are weapons of terror.

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

After 58 years, Israel is not going away.

Perhaps the finest wisdom is to stop the fighting.

And build.

Build a society and an economy.

Let people not be pawns anymore.

You know the Arab elite and Hamas and Hezbollah
and Iran draw great public support to keep Palestine
in ruins.

Why no Arab oil dollar created a shining city like
Dubai is a question the Jew haters got to ask.

Why the Arab community let it up to the evil Jew
to provide jobs for their Palestinian brothers is
another question.

Why Jordan did not give sovereignty to Palestine
between 1948 and 1967 is another question.

Yes, the West gave the Arabs a false choice in 1948,
and before that so did the Ottoman Empire, and before
that so did Rome...and before that ...

Righteous Palestinian supporters do see the evils of Israel,
but none of their own evils do they even confront.

 

[Jay]

Re: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

Yes, the West gave the Arabs a false choice in 1948,
and before that so did the Ottoman Empire, and before
that so did Rome...and before that ...

For my benefit, perhaps you could expand on this....

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

You would think that if the Brits and then the UN
offered a 2-nation solution in 1948, you might think
that offer was fair.

But, offering a 2-state solution was inherently unfair
to those Arabs living already there, scared about losing
their homes, and rightfully and accurately so.

 

[Jay]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

Thanks.

So this is the reason used to attack the new state?

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

Yes.

In addition, no occupying army including American
occupying armies can ever do so without blunders,
and mistakes, and are targets for those wishing to
fan hatred and power for themselves.

Read the details of the 1948 war.
Enough to damn everyone to hell no matter which
side.

And of course, that war did stem from the False
Choice offerred the Arabs already living there
to assuage European sin over the Jews.

But it is the 1948 war more than the occupation of
the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights, that
is full of details and misery contradicting the righteousness of either side of this conflict.

 

[EagleSmack]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

One of the major issues, better yet HISTORICAL FACT is that before Israel was formed in 1948 there was no Palestine. Who was the President/Prime Minister/Czar ... whatever of Palestine in 1946? 1930?

Answer... there wasn't one.

Why? Because it was occupied by Jordan. Why didn't the Jordanians give them their (supposed) country?

There was a two nation state carved out in that area. The new Palestinian Govt. decided to fight it out with Israel and got their butts handed to them.

Then in 1967 the nations of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan were going to make their final push to push the Israelis into the sea.

Bad Idea.

Israel kicked their Butts as well and took the Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and the West Bank. Israel took this land in response to arab aggression.

So why even after 1948 and before 1967 were foriegn arab countries occupying what the Palestinians are claiming has always been theirs?

 

[Jay]

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Yes.

In addition, no occupying army including American
occupying armies can ever do so without blunders,
and mistakes, and are targets for those wishing to
fan hatred and power for themselves.

Read the details of the 1948 war.
Enough to damn everyone to hell no matter which
side.

And of course, that war did stem from the False
Choice offerred the Arabs already living there
to assuage European sin over the Jews.

But it is the 1948 war more than the occupation of
the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights, that
is full of details and misery contradicting the righteousness of either side of this conflict.

I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for these people....and I don't believe Zionism is a product of European sin.

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

There was a lot of Jewish thuggery and terrorism
in 1948 taking over Arab homes in 1948.

It was very much like a lot of the Serbian thuggery
cleansing out a neighborhood of muslims.

It is no myth, but we westerners never heard much
of those atrocities.

 

[Jersay]

Re: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

What a bunch of BS I have heard about EagleSmack and all the rest of you false conservatives.

Why do you think Israel left Lebanon, because they decided too. Not a chance, Hezbollah was created to combat Israel and its murderous paramilitary groups that it supported that slaughters thousands of Palestinian civilians.

I guess it is Israel's right to slaughter civilians and Prisoners of War which is a fact, and no one can go against them.

Well too bad.

Israel's IDF force is a bunch of cold-blooded murderers and I can't wait for Aerial Sharon to just kick the bucket, son of a bitch who slaughtered thousands of civilians during illegal occupation of Southern Lebanon.

And once Israel's colonial policy is gone and territory it has illegally occupied returned. Then the only other imperial country has to be cracked.

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

Damnit, Jersay, you are no better than those who
see no evil on the Israeli side.

You're simply the obverse of the same coin.

And no better.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

Jersay hates Israel, anything he posts on Israel is Anti-Israeli while he defends Terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, he never holds them accountable for their Terrorist actions Against Israel.

The Anti-Israeli sentiment from people like Jersay is disgusting! :evil:

 

[Doryman]

Re: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

You'll find another "imperial country" Jersay, and start protesting that. Why don't any of you Anti-imperialists types protest the Muslim Ummah, and the ideas if Islamic dominance over every other religion?

Ooohh yeaaahhh.. not hip enough! :roll:

Israel will continue shelling populated areas as long as Hamas and Hezbollah keep launching rockets from that direction. Prompting attacks against your own people is a hallmark of urban guerilla combat Jersay. It gives you a steady supply of angry youths as recruits. The terrorists want their people to die, and Israel obliges, over and over and over.

 

[Jersay]

Re: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

There was a lot of Jewish thuggery and terrorism
in 1948 taking over Arab homes in 1948.

It was very much like a lot of the Serbian thuggery
cleansing out a neighborhood of muslims.

It is no myth, but we westerners never heard much
of those atrocities.

You have basically said the exact same things that I have stated before.

However, even though I am railing against the Israelis doesn't mean I don't see violations that Palestinian militants do, for example kidnapping or killing innocent Israeli civilians.

However, I believe Israel gets a better viewing with regards to the media around the world and Palestinians are treated like murderers when the full facts of it haven't been showned.

Its frustrating.

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crime so

Jersay, I quite understand why you over-compensate
by going overboard on Palestine.

I've always understood your words as some kind of
over-compensation for your perception we don't
know what you know.

But your perception of our complaints about
the cynical manipulation of Palestinians is faulty.

Both sides need to get smarter.

The details defy both sides.

Much more than the 1967 Six Days War was the
atrocities on both sides during 1948 when a False
Choice by the West was imposed.

Your continual ignoring of the evils on the Palestinian
side pay no respect to the question of WHAT NOW ?

Now what ?

Your arguments are no more practical than those
who see no Israeli evil.

 

[Jersay]

Re: RE: Israel shells populated areas: most definetly a crim

Jersay, I quite understand why you over-compensate
by going overboard on Palestine.

I've always understood your words as some kind of
over-compensation for your perception we don't
know what you know.

But your perception of our complaints about
the cynical manipulation of Palestinians is faulty.

Both sides need to get smarter.

The details defy both sides.

Much more than the 1967 Six Days War was the
atrocities on both sides during 1948 when a False
Choice by the West was imposed.

Your continual ignoring of the evils on the Palestinian
side pay no respect to the question of WHAT NOW ?

Now what ?

Your arguments are no more practical than those
who see no Israeli evil.

Its not at most people on the board. It's really not at the people on the board.

It's just I'm tired of people blaming the Palestinians when Israel should hae as much blame and the West should have as much blame as Palestinian or Arab people.

What now?

Good question.

Letting old issues lie and trying to start out as something new, two nations trying to work together for the betterment of each other.

Who knows? But until the radicals on both sides are gone the problems will not be solved, even if America or the West or Israel or Palestinians want them to be.

 

[jimmoyer]

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Then don't be like them, Jersay.

Elevate the matter to WHAT NOW ?