Iraq sovereignty, how will we know?
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Yes American voice. We have a lot of disagreement with reasearchok for supporting the oppressor over the oppressed, the rich over the poor, the powerful over the weak and the occupier over the occupied. This guy believes in everything he reads in a paper or see on TV. I do not think he is the kind of person to sit down and analayze what is really going on. He does not have his own analysis on the situation. This is why he is always asking for proof.
How hard is it to see the obvious?
How hard is it to see the obvious?
moghrabi said:
Hmmm..intersting characterization of me.
No, I don't believe everything i see on TV.
Nor do I believe everything you say, either.
By the way, before you 'analyze' me any further, I'm a political analyst by trade.
One thing I have observed in politics, one cannot go far wrong with a statement of the obvious; the novelty of it is charming, and engenders charisma. 
American Voice said:One thing I have observed in politics, one cannot go far wrong with a statement of the obvious; the novelty of it is charming, and engenders charisma.
For the most part, I agree with you.
However, when the 'obvious' flies in the face of reality or needs 'interpretation', well, Im wary.
Amen.
Right... Sure you don't.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one, now does it?
You seem more like a Republican to me. :wink:
Researchok, you told me you are a political analyst about 3 times already. I agree. Yiou might be political but indeed not an analyst since your analysis of what is happeining under the sun is really OUT OF WHACK.
Get a life or a real job, please.
Get a life or a real job, please.
Has anyone ever read the prize by daniel yergin, winner of the pulitzer prize. I consider this my bible on understanding oil, money and power. I do not think the so called handover will cut any mustard with the insurgents, so long as american troops remain in Iraq. They will just be sitting targets and a ralling point of discontent. I wonder if Iran will now be the next country that needs to liberated for so "american democracy".
A lie can get halfway around the world before truth gets its pants on."
A lie can get halfway around the world before truth gets its pants on."
moghrabi said:
have you ever considered actually THINKING before you post?
what exactly is 'out of whack'?
Actually, Dark...I'd be considered more of an independant.
I was against the war too, but for very different reasons.
The arguments presented here, in my opinion, validate the war.
I was against the war too, but for very different reasons.
The arguments presented here, in my opinion, validate the war.
He still doesn't get it.
Dude War is bad, IT IS SERIOUSLY, try being a soldier in the frontlines with a gun. Try shooying a person and falling comfortably asleep at night. You think this whole political fiasco is a good thing. You think that there is no Companies extracting Oil from Iraq. Oh no, lets all support Bushwacker because he is sending companies and raping the country out of its own resources. No you can't see past all the lies, all the Bulls., all the lies hes commited. no, your just a political analyst who is blinded by one thing. And its that legal tender in your wallet. You don't seem to care what happens to the rest of the world as long as your happy right, no, you just don't, you only work for that paycheck at the end of the week. C'mon there are problems in the White House but your are just blissfully blinded but what you think is the truth.
Analyst.. right, and I'm a Moose.
Dude War is bad, IT IS SERIOUSLY, try being a soldier in the frontlines with a gun. Try shooying a person and falling comfortably asleep at night. You think this whole political fiasco is a good thing. You think that there is no Companies extracting Oil from Iraq. Oh no, lets all support Bushwacker because he is sending companies and raping the country out of its own resources. No you can't see past all the lies, all the Bulls., all the lies hes commited. no, your just a political analyst who is blinded by one thing. And its that legal tender in your wallet. You don't seem to care what happens to the rest of the world as long as your happy right, no, you just don't, you only work for that paycheck at the end of the week. C'mon there are problems in the White House but your are just blissfully blinded but what you think is the truth.
Analyst.. right, and I'm a Moose.
GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I attacked and took over two countries.
I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.
I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.
I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 2-month period.
I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
I set the all-time record for the most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other president in US history.
I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
I cut health care benefits for war veterans.
I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history.
I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
I withdrew from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.
I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).
I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
I took the world's sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
I set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war.
I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
For personal references, please speak to my dad or uncle James Baker (They can be reached in their offices at the Carlyle Group where they are helping to divide up the spoils of the US-Iraq war and plan for the ext one.)
American Voice said:
I couldn't agree more.
Dissenting arguments here, seem to unlaesh the ad hominums.
Nice pic Darkgrammer. even the pic tells the truth. This guy is really blind. no matter what you say to him, he has a different look at it. If you tell him the sun rises from the East, he will ask you for a proof. He will always says words are cheap.
I hope he can get some help from his Republican friends.
I hope he can get some help from his Republican friends.