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So just the “Israelis” out of the West Bank, and Bob’s your uncle? How do you propose to accomplish this?

Same with Lebanon & Syria? Why are Israeli’s in Lebanon & Syria in the first place?
Its the root of the problem and it was solved until Radical Zionist assassinated Rabin.

If you believe Israel is occupying those lands for security reasons you've never read the aims of the Revisionists. It's just a coincidence they are occupying lands they said 100 years ago they were going to take through violent means?

Coincidence.
 

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Nazi collaborator's name initially engraved on the Victims of Communism memorial
The nameplate, along with other nameplates for the memorial, 'are being stored at a National Capital Commission facility'

Author of the article:David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published May 16, 2025 • Last updated 1 day ago • 5 minute read

The Victims of Communism memorial opened to the public with no names inscribed.
The Victims of Communism memorial opened to the public with no names inscribed. Photo by JULIE OLIVER /POSTMEDIA
The name of a Nazi collaborator was initially engraved on Canada’s newest national monument despite warnings to the Department of Canadian Heritage in 2021 that the man participated in the executions of Jews during the Holocaust.


The nameplate commemorating Janis Niedra was installed on the memorial in downtown Ottawa in 2023, according to government records released under the Access to Information Act. It was later removed and there were no names inscribed on the memorial when it opened in late 2024.

Canadian Heritage has not explained why it allowed the commemorative nameplate for Niedra to be installed on the monument despite warnings by the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies.

Research data was provided to the department in 2021 by the organization showing that Niedra led a group of 40 men to help the Nazis round up and execute around 350 Latvian Jews. Those killed were women, children and senior citizens.

Niedra, who would later go on to serve the Nazis in various positions in Latvia, came to Canada after the war. He died in 1969.


The existence of the nameplate honouring Niedra was first reported by Ricochet Media, an investigative online news outlet.

Canadian Heritage spokesperson Caroline Czajkowski said in an email that Niedra’s name was removed from the memorial before its public inauguration. It was flagged in 2023 after a Canadian Heritage employee raised concerns about Niedra’s Nazi connections. The documents show the main concern in the department was that the public or news media might see the name engraved on the memorial.

The nameplate, along with other nameplates for the memorial, “are being stored at a National Capital Commission facility,” according to the department.

The Victims of Communism Memorial
The memorial opened in late 2024. Photo by JULIE OLIVER /POSTMEDIA
Czajkowski would not say exactly where the items were being stored. Canadian Heritage declined to say how many names were engraved on the panels that were supposed to eventually be installed on the Ottawa memorial.


Czajkowski did not comment on why Canadian Heritage previously claimed that no names had been engraved on the monument despite the government records clearly showing that was not the case. She would not comment on what will happen now with the nameplates.

It is unclear whether Canadian Heritage will eventually install Niedra’s name on the national monument or have the plate destroyed.

Jaime Kirzner-Roberts, a senior director at the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center, said the organization repeatedly warned Canadian Heritage that numerous individuals slated to be honoured on the memorial were not victims at all. Instead, they were Nazi collaborators responsible for the Holocaust and other crimes against humanity, she added.


“Over the years, we have submitted documentation detailing the atrocities committed by several individuals on the (memorial) list – including in 2021, when we provided comprehensive evidence of the war crimes committed by Janis Niedra against Latvia’s Jewish population,” said Kirzner-Roberts. “It is deeply disturbing that, despite our repeated warnings and the clear, documented evidence, the name of a Nazi involved in the murder of Jews during the Holocaust was ultimately engraved on the Memorial. This is simply unacceptable.”

The memorial, which is located near the corner of Wellington and Bay streets, is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism. But concerns have been raised over the years by Jewish organizations and historians that names of eastern Europeans who collaborated with the Nazis in the Holocaust have been put forward in an attempt to whitewash their past.


In 2021, the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center revealed that Roman Shukhevych, a Ukrainian nationalist who collaborated with the Nazis and was linked to the massacres of Jews and Poles, was one of those being commemorated. Only after the group repeatedly raised the matter with the department was Shukhevych’s name removed.

The Memorial to the Victims of Communism
The memorial sits on the west side of the Garden of the Provinces and Territories in downtown Ottawa. Photo by JULIE OLIVER /POSTMEDIA
The monument has been the focus of multiple controversies over its exact purpose, location, size and cost over the last 15 years. The price tag for the project ballooned to an estimated $7.5 million — including $6 million in public funds — from an original budget of $1.5 million. The cost of the memorial was supposed to be funded entirely through private donations from Tribute to Liberty, the organization behind the monument. But those fundraising efforts fell far short and taxpayers had to foot most of the cost.


Ludwik Klimkowski, chairman of Tribute to Liberty, did not respond to a request for comment.

But in a Dec. 14, 2024 post on the social media platform X, Klimkowski responded to concerns the monument was honouring Nazi collaborators. “Let’s stop the nonsense of the Nazi commemoration nonsense perpetrated by Canadian Marxists and the agents of the Kremlin’s regime,” Klimkowski wrote.

Holocaust scholars and Jewish groups have continued to denounce claims their efforts to expose Nazi war criminals and collaborators are part of some Russian plot or disinformation scheme. The fact that some eastern Europeans played key roles in the Holocaust and supporting the Nazi regime is well documented, they add.

Federal officials in other departments have also continued to warn Canadian Heritage that the inclusion of Nazi collaborators on the memorial will cause international embarrassment. “It is important to note that many anti-communist and anti-Soviet advocates and fighters were also active Nazi collaborators, who committed documented massacres,” Global Affairs Canada officials warned their counterparts at Canadian Heritage in 2021. Those records were obtained by the Ottawa Citizen using the access law.


In addition, on Oct. 7, 2024 the Ottawa Citizen revealed that a report prepared for Canadian Heritage recommended more than half of the 550 names planned to go on the memorial should be removed. That was because of potential links to the Nazis, questions about affiliations with fascist groups or a lack of information about what the individuals did during the Second World War. As originally planned, there were to be 553 entries on the memorial’s Wall of Remembrance.

The department had already determined that 50 to 60 of the names or organizations were likely directly linked to the Nazis, according to the documents.
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Its the root of the problem and it was solved until Radical Zionist assassinated Rabin.

If you believe Israel is occupying those lands for security reasons you've never read the aims of the Revisionists. It's just a coincidence they are occupying lands they said 100 years ago they were going to take through violent means?

Coincidence.
The first-of-its-kind investigation, conducted by the Henry Jackson Society’s Centre for the New Middle East, presents "the ‘missing chapter’ in all the U.N. and NGO reports" issued since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, 2023. Its authors reveal in detail how the terror group transformed civilian residences and infrastructure into military outposts, all while evading international scrutiny.
1747584392638.jpeg (Just trying to drag the Hamas/Israel thing kicking & screaming back over to this thread)
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The U.N. has issued 367 individual reports on the war since Oct. 7, none of which affirmatively state that Hamas has turned residential areas into battlefields and hid behind civilians.
While the U.N. has not issued any analysis of Hamas’s tactics, it has accused Israel of launching "indiscriminate attacks" and "attacks on hospitals" in Gaza without mentioning the reality that the terror group uses these sites as weapons depots and operational headquarters.🤫

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The first-of-its-kind investigation, conducted by the Henry Jackson Society’s Centre for the New Middle East, presents "the ‘missing chapter’ in all the U.N. and NGO reports" issued since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, 2023. Its authors reveal in detail how the terror group transformed civilian residences and infrastructure into military outposts, all while evading international scrutiny.
View attachment 29228The United Nations and its network of international NGOs have systematically whitewashed Hamas’s reliance on human shields in Gaza, sweeping aside mountains of evidence revealing how the terror group intentionally places civilians in harm’s way to maximize bloodshed, a new report finds.
(Just trying to drag the Hamas/Israel thing kicking & screaming back over to this thread)
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The U.N. has issued 367 individual reports on the war since Oct. 7, none of which affirmatively state that Hamas has turned residential areas into battlefields and hid behind civilians.
The think tank has been described by The Herald as having right-wing and neoconservative leanings, though it positions itself as non-partisan.[58] It was described in the Australian Financial Review as neoliberal.[59]

Think-tank discussions on the Middle East and Islam have led to some media organisations criticising the Society for a perceived anti-Muslim agenda. Marko Attila Hoare, a former senior member, cited related reasons for leaving the think tank and Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy was urged, in 2015, to sever his links with the Society.[58][60]

According to a report by the Cordoba Foundation in 2015, "right-wing politics is apparent not only in the ideas that the Henry Jackson Society promotes, but also emerges distinctly on examination of its funders".[61]

The Muslim Council of Britain criticised the Society in 2017 for making "oblique references to the usual slurs levelled at Muslims: that Muslims do not integrate, are not part and parcel of British society, and are therefore likely to be terrorists".[62]

Co-founder Matthew Jamison, who now works for YouGov, wrote in 2017 that he was ashamed of his involvement, having never imagined the Henry Jackson Society "would become a far-right, deeply anti-Muslim racist ... propaganda outfit to smear other cultures, religions and ethnic groups". He claimed that "The HJS for many years has relentlessly demonised Muslims and Islam".[63]

In 2020, the Society paid damages to the UK Muslim educational channel Huda Television Ltd, having confused it in 2018 with the similarly named Egyptian station, Huda TV, which it accused of a "radical agenda" and hosting Islamic extremist content.[64]
 
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I think I found that Fox guy from the other thread!
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Fox, who served three tours of Afghanistan, believes that the group "want their fellow Palestinians to die in vast numbers" and have "created 'death trap' conditions for millions of people" deliberately.

He added: "The truth is simple and devastating: every death Hamas could provoke became a propaganda asset."
I tried to figure out the reference earlier and that’s how I stumbled across that Henry Jackson Society. It had to be that or this:
I’m leaning more towards A than B at this point.
 

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I think I found that Fox guy from the other thread!
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Fox, who served three tours of Afghanistan, believes that the group "want their fellow Palestinians to die in vast numbers" and have "created 'death trap' conditions for millions of people" deliberately.

He added: "The truth is simple and devastating: every death Hamas could provoke became a propaganda asset."
I tried to figure out the reference earlier and that’s how I stumbled across that Henry Jackson Society. It had to be that or this:
I’m leaning more towards A than B at this point.
Andrew Fox a research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society....

See above.
 

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Andrew Fox a research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society....

See above.
So I found the right Fox then. Andrew Fox a research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society who previously served as a Major in the Parachute Regiment, told the Daily Express: "This report is the missing chapter from every UN statement, every NGO report, and every media narrative that has ignored how Hamas weaponised Gaza's civilians."
Now, Treasury and State Department officials are pledging to reverse course as part of a broader "maximum pressure" sanctions campaign on Tehran and its terror proxies.
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The push comes as Hamas struggles to pay its rank-and-file fighters amid a halt in humanitarian aid that Hamas seizes and sells to generate funds. Additional sanctions, then, could further bankrupt Hamas.
 

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So I found the right Fox then. Andrew Fox a research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society who previously served as a Major in the Parachute Regiment, told the Daily Express: "This report is the missing chapter from every UN statement, every NGO report, and every media narrative that has ignored how Hamas weaponised Gaza's civilians."
Now, Treasury and State Department officials are pledging to reverse course as part of a broader "maximum pressure" sanctions campaign on Tehran and its terror proxies.
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The push comes as Hamas struggles to pay its rank-and-file fighters amid a halt in humanitarian aid that Hamas seizes and sells to generate funds. Additional sanctions, then, could further bankrupt Hamas.
Does he back his bullshit?
 

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Does he back his bullshit?
No idea, but his resume sounds impressive. Does he?

Andrew Fox served in the British Army from 2005 to 2021, completing three tours in Afghanistan, including one attached to the US Army Special Forces. He served in the Parachute Regiment and the Special Forces Support Group, with additional tours in Bosnia, the Middle East, and Northern Ireland.

After his active service, he spent three years as a senior lecturer in the War Studies and Behavioural Science departments at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst. Andrew specialises in Defence, the Middle East, and disinformation. He holds degrees in Law & Politics, Modern War Studies, and Psychology.

His extensive experience has established him as a recognised authority in his field and he provides regular commentary on defence and foreign policy across the media including articles in the New York Post, the Telegraph and Spiked. He has amassed a large following across his digital platforms, including X (formerly Twitter) and Substack, where he writes on disinformation, defence and security as stories develop.
 

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What does he base his opinions on? Fifties and hundies?
I don’t know. Maybe his…
..extensive experience has established him as a recognised authority in his field…
…has something to do with his opinion?

Defense Minister Israel Katz said on Sunday that, "according to all indications, Mohammed Sinwar was killed." The Saudi channel Al-Hadath also reported that the body of the acting Hamas leader was found in a tunnel near the European Hospital in Khan Yunis, the southern Gaza Strip. Alongside Sinwar, the bodies of 10 of his aides and the commander of the Rafah Brigade in Hamas, Mohammed Shabana, were found.
Last Tuesday, the Israeli Air Force carried out a rare attack against tunnel infrastructure near the European Hospital. Later it was reported that his brother, Zakaria Sinwar, was killed in an Israeli attack, but doctors reported him alive but in critical condition.

Israeli special forces disguised as displaced Palestinians meanwhile launched a rare ground raid into Khan Younis early Monday, according to local residents.

The forces killed Ahmed Sarhan, a leader in the armed wing of the Popular Resistance Committees, in a shootout, the group said. Palestinian witnesses said his wife and daughter were detained.

The forces drove in on a civilian vehicle and carried out the raid under cover from heavy airstrikes. At least five other people were killed, in addition to Sarhan, according to Nasser Hospital.
Israel has said it would allow a “basic amount of food” into Gaza after it showed openness to ending the war in Gaza if Hamas disarms and goes into exile, marking a potential breakthrough in ceasefire negotiations.

The announcement came as Israel launched some of its heaviest bombardment of the strip since the start of the war, killing 103 Palestinians over the weekend, and besieged one of northern Gaza’s hospitals.

In Qatar, Netanyahu said the latest talks included discussions on a truce and hostage deal as well as a proposal to end the war in return for the exile of Hamas militants and the demilitarisation of the Palestinian territory. These terms have previously been rejected by Hamas.
Here’s the Aljazeera version of the same thing, except it doesn’t mention Sinwar of Hamas at all.
Hamas and Israel began indirect talks in the Qatari capital Doha Saturday, with senior Hamas official Taher Al-Nunu confirming that “negotiations without preconditions” had started, according to Hamas-run al Aqsa TV.
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“If Hamas wants to talk about ending the war through Hamas’s surrender, we will be ready,” an Israeli source said.
 

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Netanyahu will let food in to bomb more soup kitchens then claim human shields and Hamas bombs when propane tanks for cooking chick peas explode.

How about a neutral military runs the aid as planned by the US and Canada prior to Trump so Netanyahu can't bomb them and commit more war crimes.

Netanyahu is an unhinged cult leader with nukes.
 

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Netanyahu will let food in to bomb more soup kitchens then claim human shields and Hamas bombs when propane tanks for cooking chick peas explode.
Netanyahu would do this because….? Sounds like a question worthy of a Google (or other) search…but no results immediately pop up for some reason, at least for me, but maybe it’s the way I’m wording the question?
How about a neutral military runs the aid as planned by the US and Canada prior to Trump so Netanyahu can't bomb them and commit more war crimes.
How about this? Why isn’t it happening already?

Are the US & Canada trusted by Palestinians (or Hamas, or the Middle East, or the Muslim world, or whomever would need to trust them) to do this?

Would Canada be trusted by Israel in this role after its (Canada’s) comments on this situation since shortly after 10.07.23 to this present day (or the last couple of days at least)?

What entity or entities would be seen as “impartial” (or at least impartial enough) to be trusted to ensure & enforce that aid goes to the Palestinian Civilians & not to the plethora of terrorists entities in Gaza, by both sides in this goat rodeo?
Netanyahu is an unhinged cult leader with nukes.
They (the Israelis) are ‘believed’ to have nuclear weapons, but haven’t so much as ever even conducted a nuclear test for some hair-trigger unhinged reason. Queer that, eh?

Actually, nobody (nation or group) has actually ever used nuclear weapons (with the exception of America, twice) on another nation or group to the best of my knowledge, but many nations have conducted tests of their nuclear arsenals. Israel hasn’t even done this.
 

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The leaders of Britain, Canada and France threatened sanctions against Israel on Monday if it does not stop a renewed military offensive in Gaza and lift aid restrictions, piling further pressure on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The Israeli military announced the start of a new operation on Friday, and earlier on Monday Netanyahu said Israel would take control of the whole of Gaza. International experts already have warned of looming famine.

"The Israeli Government's denial of essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable and risks breaching International Humanitarian Law," a joint statement released by the British government said.

"We oppose any attempt to expand settlements in the West Bank ... We will not hesitate to take further action, including targeted sanctions."

In response, Netanyahu said that "the leaders in London, Ottawa and Paris are offering a huge prize for the genocidal attack on Israel on October 7 while inviting more such atrocities".
He said Israel will defend itself by just means until total victory is achieved, reiterating Israel's conditions to end the war which include the release of the remaining hostages and the demilitarization of the Gaza Strip, etc…link above.
 

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Netanyahu would do this because….? Sounds like a question worthy of a Google (or other) search…but no results immediately pop up for some reason, at least for me, but maybe it’s the way I’m wording the question?

How about this? Why isn’t it happening already?

Are the US & Canada trusted by Palestinians (or Hamas, or the Middle East, or the Muslim world, or whomever would need to trust them) to do this?

Would Canada be trusted by Israel in this role after its (Canada’s) comments on this situation since shortly after 10.07.23 to this present day (or the last couple of days at least)?

What entity or entities would be seen as “impartial” (or at least impartial enough) to be trusted to ensure & enforce that aid goes to the Palestinian Civilians & not to the plethora of terrorists entities in Gaza, by both sides in this goat rodeo?

They (the Israelis) are ‘believed’ to have nuclear weapons, but haven’t so much as ever even conducted a nuclear test for some hair-trigger unhinged reason. Queer that, eh?

Actually, nobody (nation or group) has actually ever used nuclear weapons (with the exception of America, twice) on another nation or group to the best of my knowledge, but many nations have conducted tests of their nuclear arsenals. Israel hasn’t even done this.
Already did before.
The latest of 4 or 5 times.



Netanyahu

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The leaders of Britain, Canada and France threatened sanctions against Israel on Monday if it does not stop a renewed military offensive in Gaza and lift aid restrictions, piling further pressure on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The Israeli military announced the start of a new operation on Friday, and earlier on Monday Netanyahu said Israel would take control of the whole of Gaza. International experts already have warned of looming famine.

"The Israeli Government's denial of essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable and risks breaching International Humanitarian Law," a joint statement released by the British government said.

"We oppose any attempt to expand settlements in the West Bank ... We will not hesitate to take further action, including targeted sanctions."

In response, Netanyahu said that "the leaders in London, Ottawa and Paris are offering a huge prize for the genocidal attack on Israel on October 7 while inviting more such atrocities".
He said Israel will defend itself by just means until total victory is achieved, reiterating Israel's conditions to end the war which include the release of the remaining hostages and the demilitarization of the Gaza Strip, etc…link above.
Netanyahu is a Nazi.
 

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Netanyahu is a Nazi.
And a baby killer....

Opposition MK Says Israel Risks Pariah Status, 'Sane State Doesn't Kill Babies as Hobby'

The left-wing party leader said that 'a sane state does not kill babies as a hobby' or plans 'the expulsion of a population.' Netanyahu said that 'Golan and his friends on the radical left are echoing the most despicable antisemitic blood libels'

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Updated: May 20, 20256:55 pm IDT
 

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And a baby killer....

Opposition MK Says Israel Risks Pariah Status, 'Sane State Doesn't Kill Babies as Hobby'

The left-wing party leader said that 'a sane state does not kill babies as a hobby' or plans 'the expulsion of a population.' Netanyahu said that 'Golan and his friends on the radical left are echoing the most despicable antisemitic blood libels'

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Updated: May 20, 20256:55 pm IDT
yes, but the babies are radical islamic jihadists :(
 

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Well, here’s the video that’s breaking, etc…& the panicked stampede of dignitaries.
Israeli troops fire 'warning shots' at diplomats visiting occupied West Bank | DW News

Prime Minister Mark Carney says it's "totally unacceptable" that members of the Israeli army fired shots near a diplomatic delegation, which included Canadians, in the West Bank on Wednesday.

The federal government confirmed Wednesday that four members of a Canadian delegation were part of a tour in the city of Jenin when members of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) fired in their vicinity. Two were Canadians and two were local staff, Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand's office said.

"We expect a full investigation and we expect an immediate explanation of what happened. It's totally unacceptable, it's some of many things that are totally unacceptable that's going on in the region," Carney said during a news conference in Ottawa.

Anand said earlier that she will be summoning the Israeli ambassador to relay Canada's "serious concerns."

"Relieved to know our team is safe," Anand wrote after speaking with Canada's head of mission in Ramallah.

"I have asked my officials to summon Israel's ambassador to convey Canada's serious concerns. We expect a full investigation and accountability."
 

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I think that what can be said is that the UN, Britain and maybe other countries are at fault on why this issue is happening. In 1948, Israel are said to have won a war, and the state or area known at the time is Pallistine kept fighting. The UN shoved an agreement down both of the two countries troughs saying get along. So one side does not want to give up, they created problems, the other side retaliated, the fight continued on for 75 years. Had the UN and their group let the winner of war defeat the looser, say leaving only 10 left living, then those 10 would understand to let go Of the thought of keeping their land. At the same time to try and settle the war, one has to understand which country that is controlling the war. Is it one or more of the following:

Iran? So Iran can get even with USA?
Iran controlled by Russia? As Russia can get even with USA?
Qatar?
Others?
Combination of any or all of the above.

I don’t think that the Hamas are still dictating the war as they have nothing to fight for with the country being destroyed, no place to grow crops to feed their people, very little water, very little power production to keep the people alive.

I say this because anything is possible when it comes to a war.