Grandmother Blows herself up

[Zzarchov]

Wow.. You should really understand what a graph says before you spout it off like gospel.

The Ratio of death is because Israel has medical services and bomb shelters. This is because even if less so than Western Europe/North America..Israel is a plural society. Sure its majority Jewish (North America is majority christian too), but if your a muslim you can still be a full fledged Israeli. In the Reverse..your a dhimni(sp?). This is why Israel because rich and the Islamic world (those without oil) became poor. They are about 50 years behind the west (in a 6,000 year history thats not too far behind really) and are suffering for it.

Perhaps they could just stop killing, wait it out a few months and see the wonders of a non-violent revolution. Worked for India.

 

[Sassylassie]

Curiosity believes Israelis and Palestinians suffer equally and believes Palestinian's get equal press coverage as Israeli's. The information I posted proves that's not true. That not being biased. That's called making a point and backing it up with references.

To defend Israel today is to be either callous or uninformed. I can't do anything about people who are callous, but I'm trying the best I can to inform people. That's not being biased either.

You disagree with what I post, fine... Challenge my points with your own. But its intellectually lazy to claim I am biased without proving it and then making outrageous claims without a single reference to back up them up.

Yes Earth you are trying to inform us that Isreal is evil and oh how the Palestinians suffer, you are biased I have not read one post that you weren't lamenting the suffering of Palestine but yet not a word about the suffering of the people of Isreal. Until you can show a modicum of empathy towards Isreal your post are more propaganda on the suffering of Palestine and blaming Isreal soley for this suffering. Palestine needs to except their mia culpa in the deaths and suffering of Palestinian people, lobbing missles at Isreal is just stupid and it does nothing to defuse the situation. NOTHING.

 

[Curiosity]

fuzzylogix

I checked the source of the whole post the pretty graphs the pretty writing the lovely posited possibilities...

The source said it all to me.

You have to know where your information is coming from.

Do you live in the U.S. fuzzy? If so you would perhaps understand why I am mocking the pretty exhibit...
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

So - believe what you wish, you and earthasone can go happily off into the sunset clutching all your pretty ideas that again the U.S. is the bad guy.

If Canadians could get their focus past that nasty little bit of rhetoric and truly understand, we might get somewhere - but I'm not your mentor, nor your teacher, nor do I care what you believe.

I care that I do not have to agree.

 

[gopher]

Pope's Message of Brotherhood

Pope Preaches Brotherhood on Turkey Trip

The Associated Press
By BRIAN MURPHY
November 28, 2006

I want to express happiness to see you and your delegation in our country​

Pope Benedict XVI began his first visit to a Muslim country Tuesday with a message of dialogue and 'brotherhood' between Christians and Muslims in an attempt to ease anger over his perceived criticism of Islam.
Two months after the pope touched off fury across the Islamic world with remarks linking violence and Prophet Muhammad, the Turkish prime minister _ in a last-minute change of plans _ was on hand at the airport in Turkey's capital to greet the pontiff.
'All feel the same responsibility in this difficult moment in history, let's work together,' Benedict said during his flight from Rome to Ankara, where more than 3,000 police and sharpshooters joined a security effort that surpassed even the visit of President Bush two years ago.
The pope used his first moments of his four-day trip to try to mend fences with Islamic leaders.
'We know that the scope of this trip is dialogue and brotherhood and the commitment for understanding between cultures ... and for reconciliation,' he told reporters on his plane.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan welcomed the pope at the foot of the plane.
'I want to express happiness to see you and your delegation in our country,' Erdogan told the pope before meeting with him privately. He described the pope's visit as 'very meaningful.'
Erdogan, who was bound for a NATO summit in Latvia, had only announced the day before that he would make time to meet Benedict in a nation where many people view the pope with suspicion. Erdogan's political party has Islamic roots, though the government is secular.
In his first official act, Benedict visited the mausoleum of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, and wrote a message in a guest book calling Turkey 'a meeting point of different religions and cultures and a bridge between Asia and Europe.'
Police monitored the highway leading to Ankara from the airport, where Turkish and Vatican flags waved in a light breeze. Snipers climbed atop buildings and hilltops. In wooded areas along the route, soldiers in camouflage fatigues set up observation points and sniffer dogs passed along bridges.
Benedict's journey is extraordinarily sensitive, a closely watched pilgrimage full of symbolism that could offer hope of religious reconciliation or deepen what many say is a growing divide between the Christian and Islamic worlds.
The outcome depends partly on the words and gestures of Benedict, who triggered an outcry in September when he quoted a 14th century Christian emperor who characterized the Prophet Muhammad's teachings as 'evil and inhuman.'
The Vatican said the speech was an attempt to highlight the incompatibility of faith and violence, and Benedict later expressed regret for the violent Muslim backlash.
In Ankara, a small protest was held before Benedict's arrival. 'You're not welcome, Pope,' read a banner.
It was his first visit to a Muslim country as pontiff. The original goal of the pope's trip to Turkey was to meet Bartholomew I, leader of the world's 300 million Orthodox Christians. The two major branches of Christianity represented by Bartholomew and Benedict split in 1054 over differences in opinion on the power of the papacy, and the two spiritual heads will meet in an attempt to breach the divide and reunite the churches.
Benedict leaves Ankara on Wednesday for Ephesus, where the Virgin Mary is thought to have spent her last years, and will then travel to Istanbul, a former Christian metropolis known as Constantinople until Ottoman Turks conquered it in 1453.
Shortly before the pope's arrival, Erdogan said he hoped the visit would promote peace, and he urged Turks to show traditional hospitality and shun provocations by 'marginal' circles.
On Monday, a group of 100 pro-Islamic demonstrators displayed a petition demanding that the Haghia Sophia, now a museum in Istanbul, be declared a mosque and opened to worship for Muslims.
The Haghia Sophia was built in the 6th century as a Christian church, but was converted to a mosque in 1453 when Islamic armies conquered the city _ then a Christian metropolis called Constantinople.
On Sunday, more than 25,000 Turks showed up to an anti-Vatican protest in Istanbul, asking the pope to stay at home.









Let's all hope that this will start the healing process and that Peace will finally emerge.

 

[earth_as_one]

Yes Earth you are trying to inform us that Isreal is evil and oh how the Palestinians suffer, you are biased I have not read one post that you weren't lamenting the suffering of Palestine but yet not a word about the suffering of the people of Isreal. Until you can show a modicum of empathy towards Isreal your post are more propaganda on the suffering of Palestine and blaming Isreal soley for this suffering. Palestine needs to except their mia culpa in the deaths and suffering of Palestinian people, lobbing missles at Isreal is just stupid and it does nothing to defuse the situation. NOTHING.

I never said Israel is evil. Those are your words. I said that to support what Israel does to Palestinians is to be callous or misinformed.

I don't see this conflict as a struggle between good and evil. That's far too simplistic. Some Palestinians and Israelis do evil things in a struggle for the same small piece of desert. My problem is with our news which doesn't give the same level of coverage to both sides. Instead our news selectively informs us and manipulates our opinions.

For example, everytime a suicide bomber or rocket kills innocent Israelis, our front pages are full of graphic images and personal testimony for days, like this Grandmother suicide bomber story. Yet the daily atrocities suffered by Palestinians seldom make the news and when they do, they are usually buried somewhere, without pictures or personal testimony. With that type of biased reporting on this conflict, Canadians don't have informed opinions. That is why I post stories, facts, information..., not covered by our news. If a Palestinian suicide bomber story doesn't make the news, then I'll post that story if it relates to a discussion.

Also unlike our news/propaganda, I don't tell people what to think. In fact I want people to debate me and challenge what I post. But please attack the message, not the messenger.

 

[Curiosity]

earthasone

.....I don't tell people what to think. In fact I want people to debate me and challenge what I post. But please attack the message, not the messenger

That is exactly what you got on my case for. I attacked the source used for that pretty little essay....telling me I have to read an article to understand it?

When you decide which "side" you want to defend - have another go.

 

[northstar]

Isn't it interesting that some people again and again come in and defend the 'INNOCENT' terrorists that have taken innocent children and brainwashed them from birth to aspire to maryterdom...all the while from this post of justifing the actions of this murderous tribe of Islamist Pakistani terrorists...

these people who write posts here are sitting nice and safe and cozy in our country that they have chosen to enjoy, and yet who fail to defend, even in speech...{pathetic....}

This Grandmother l feel sorry for. She was born in a country that raises children to be marytered, she has been brought up in a world that begins the brainwashing from the moment of birth, toys are about murder, texts are about how to hate Jews, how they are pigs and deserve to die, the view of a world that is not about what they will get from Santa for Christmas, but how when they grow up they can aspire to murder themselves and maim and murder as many others as possible in order to earn money and honour for her family.

This Grandmother's world is so far removed from us that we can only pray that the next generation can be freed from the pressures of such an oppressive and dysfunctional tribal culture.

Change is on the way, and we are seeing the change...as Osama's sepeches become more stupid, and people are seeing how meaningless his mumbling is, Hezbollah and Hamas are being sold out by it's former supporters, and the Pakistani government begins to recognize that women's rights need to be recognized by finally making slight changes to the grossly unfair rape laws...change is coming and the world of terror and violence will end.

This Grandmother probably lost yet another grandchild as a weapon in the terrorists arsenal, and she probably went to her Quakan for comfort, and finding violent verse after violent verse the poor thing problably saw the reality and in that moment felt she had no hope.

 

[earth_as_one]

earthasone



That is exactly what you got on my case for. I attacked the source used for that pretty little essay....telling me I have to read an article to understand it?

When you decide which "side" you want to defend - have another go.

My response was to SL. But I am on is the side of people who want to live in peace and find themselves caught up in events bigger than themselves.

 

[gopher]

Pope's Message To Muslims

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/12/01/papal-visit.html

Pope ends Turkey trip with message of peace

Last Updated: Friday, December 1, 2006 | 8:15 AM ET

CBC News


Pope Benedict XVI ended the first papal visit to Turkey on Friday by saying the Roman Catholic Church wants to "impose nothing on anyone," and rifts between Christians around the world should end.
The Pope held mass at the Holy Spirit Cathedral in Istanbul on the final day of a four-day visit to Turkey, where he worked to leave Muslims with the impression that the church is interested in working with them — not against them.

Pope Benedict XVI, left, frees a dove, a symbol of peace, before mass at the Holy Spirit Catholic Cathedral in Istanbul on his final day in Turkey.
(Patrick Hertzog/Associated Press) ​

"You know well that the church wishes to impose nothing on anyone, and that she merely asks to live in freedom," he said at the 160-year-old cathedral.
Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians, joined the Pope at the mass for Turkey's small Christian minority. Batholomew met the Pope on Wednesday in Istanbul and held a prayer service with him on Thursday.
The Pope, who has preached goodwill during his visit, said Friday he thinks rights and protections for Christian minorities need to be improved in Islamic countries, including in Turkey. The country has an estimated 90,000 Christians.
"Your communities walk the humble path of daily companionship with those who do not share our faith," the Pope told the congregation.


After the service, the Pope set free some white doves near a statue of Benedict XV, the pontiff who inspired his papal name. Turkey erected the statue to honour the work of that pope. Pope John Paul II visited the same site in 1979 while in Turkey.
On Thursday, the papal visit included stops in Istanbul at the Hagia Sophia, a 1,500- year-old museum, and the Blue Mosque, where the Pope stood in prayer with the city's chief mufti, Mustafa Cagrici.
During prayer between the two men representing different faiths, a moment that has been described by the Turkish media as highly significant, the Pope faced Mecca and stood, shoulder to shoulder, with Cagrici.
According to the Cagrici, the moment had been planned in advance, but it was left up to the Islamic cleric to decide where, when and how long it should take.
"I allocated 30, 40 seconds for it. I finished my prayer, but the Pope must have been so overcome that he took much longer," Cagrici told private NTV television.
Visit to mosque of blue tiles
Benedict XVI became the second pope in history to visit a Muslim place of worship when he stepped inside the mosque, which is famous for its blue tiles. John Paul II stopped at a mosque in Syria in 2001.
The Pope's latest visit — his first trip to a Muslim country since becoming leader of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics in 2005 — was called one of the riskiest foreign ventures in the modern papacy.
It was also hailed as an attempt to heal the divide between the Christian and Muslim worlds, after remarks made by the Pope about Islam in September that stoked Muslim anger. There were a few isolated protests during his four-day visit.
Turkey has an estimated 65,000 Armenian Orthodox Christians, 20,000 Roman Catholics, 3,500 Protestants, 2,000 Greek Orthodox and 23,000 Jews. The Christian minority has said it believes it is discriminated against by the Muslim majority of 72 million.
Just before he left Turkey, the Pope walked down a red carpet and said: "I hope this visit contributes to peace and dialogue between faiths." He then took a special Turkish Airlines flight to Rome.






A reasonable and heartfelt call for peace and reconciliation.

 

[northstar]

My response was to SL. But I am on is the side of people who want to live in peace and find themselves caught up in events bigger than themselves

--earthazone

Great to hear Earth, so why don't you see the other side of the picture? All we hear from your articles is how the poor poor Lebanese and Palestinians are suffering and marytering and the poor porr hezbollah and Hamas terror organizations....

It really is not just biased but a narrow minded focus on the entire situation...and to look at such a complex situation with such a narrow focus is being guilty of promoting false propaganda. If you are truly honest about the situation, you will look at the other side as well and historically how this all came about instead of dumping on other members who are at least taking the time to educate you.

No one has said these people are not suffering. No one has said that they do not deserve to live a peaceful existance without having Israel parked in there back yard. And the world has not said this either.

The facts are that both Palestine and Lebanon have time and time again passed on opportunities in which they could mend the situation and have lots and lots of generous humanitarian aid poured into the country. At these times they had the opportunity to also recieve sympathy and peacekeeping troops from around the world to help them re-establish their lifes, re-build and re-plenish everything. I have mentioned sympathy because when you have international help coupled with sympathy this will bring business and opportunities that never before existed for these people who so despretly need hope and peace.

The difficulty with the information you have provided in your posts is that these countries you sympathize with have made some really stupid mistakes and l for one find it painful to watch this self-destruction especially when it involves children. The shame falls on the terrorist organizations Hezzbollah and Hamas. The error lies at the feet of the Palestinian and Lebonese people who allowed these Syrian and Iranian backed terrorists come in and buy their support. Now try to get them out.

Hezzbollah and Hamas are not interested in PEACE they are focused on how to get the upper hand and take over in the name of Allah. The Fanatical Islamic Tribal Belief is the fire in their belly, and when l watch History repeat itself time and time again it just makes me ill.

These countries have always deserved a good and decent government, and they have been denied this and have been betrayed and cheated. These countries deserve to live in peace, and now they might have a chance to change things. From what we have all seen it is impossible for these terrorist organizations to stop. The shame of using children is clearly on there hands.

It is time, earth and your kind, to take a good hard look at the narrow view you present, if you truly care about the Palestinian and Lebanese People you should review the historical facts, and the attitude of the Hezzbollah and Hamas. It is obvious that their only hope is to give these terrorists the boot.

p.s. Gopher, so glad you are impressed with his Popeness, but Turkey isn't the Middle East....

 

[gopher]

```Turkey isn't the Middle East....```

Technically you are correct, though I don't recall saying that it is so - but culturally its proximity does lend itself to that categorization. Moreover, many of its orthodox Islamic practitioners do view it that way.

In any case, let's hope it accelerates the peace process or alleviates some of the terrible conditions that are going on there today.

 

[northstar]

Gopher, l only know because geography is not my strong point {blush} and l made the same mistake on the other forum, and of course, l naturally wanted to point out any error you may make in order to make myself the grand poo-bah of ...of...of ...well whatever...

So, what is happening to you, getting soft????

l know, it is because CDNBEAR is not around, where are you, yooo-hoo, CDNBEAR!!!!

p.s. if you love the Pope-ishness you can convert you know, Jesus loves you...hee, hee....

 

[Curiosity]

NorthStar

Good post above - and I offer my shame for mocking the woman - when you described the probability of why she did what to me seemed such a waste - of course may have been the only future she could imagine for herself.

Having never lost my freedoms....I cannot know....and should not have judged her. Thanks for your words of reason.

This Grandmother l feel sorry for. She was born in a country that raises children to be marytered, she has been brought up in a world that begins the brainwashing from the moment of birth, toys are about murder, texts are about how to hate Jews, how they are pigs and deserve to die, the view of a world that is not about what they will get from Santa for Christmas, but how when they grow up they can aspire to murder themselves and maim and murder as many others as possible in order to earn money and honour for her family.

This Grandmother's world is so far removed from us that we can only pray that the next generation can be freed from the pressures of such an oppressive and dysfunctional tribal culture.

 

[jimmoyer]

Count me in too, to echo both Curiosity's and North Star's sentiments on this matter.

Well said.

 

[Sassylassie]

Well done Northstar, I concur one hundred percent.

 

[northstar]

aw shucks...blush...just trying to keep up with everyone else...blush..shucks...blush...

 

[Sassylassie]

A very moving essay from a Muslim women, I'm so greatful I live in Canada where I can choose the life I lead with out threat of violence or death.

I Am a Moslem Woman - Parvin Darabi

"They differed with me over what times we are living in. It is not a democracy when a man can talk about politics without anyone threatening him. Democracy is when a woman can talk of her lover without anyone killing her." - Dr. Sauad M. Al-Sabah ​

I am a Moslem woman. I have no face. I have no identity. At age 9, based on lunar year (a lunar year is ten days shorter) I am considered an adult. Being an adult means that I have to adhere with Islamic laws as stated below.
I have to pray five times a day, fast one month out of the year and cover myself from head to toe in yards of black fabric. I am eligible to be married and can be punished for any wrong doing. I can be incarcerated and, if needed, executed for my crimes, even political ones.
Islam's law - that Allah sent down to his messenger Muhammad - came to announce that women (exactly like men) are full human beings. Women (like men) are therefore required to follow the way appointed by Allah.
"A woman (like a man) is therefore obligated with all three degrees of this religion: Islam (outward submission to Allah), iman (inward faith in Allah), and ihsan (perfection of worship of Allah)".
"Women have such honorable rights as obligations, but men have a (single) degree above them". The Koran 2:228
"Men are the managers of the affairs of women because Allah has preferred men over women and women were expended of their Rights". The Koran 4:34
Islam believes and promotes only one relationship between male and female and that is the relation of lust.
"If a man and a woman are alone in one place, the third person present is the devil". Prophet Mohammed
I am not allowed to swim, ski, ride a bike, dance, learn to play musical instruments, practice gymnastics, or any other sport. I am not even permitted to watch men play sports, either in the stadium and/or on television.
I am not permitted to participate in Olympic games.
From age 7, I am segregated from all males in and out of my extended family.
My father, grandfather, uncles, brothers or my male cousins are not allowed to be present at any ceremonies for my accomplishments. They will not be allowed to participate in my birthday parties.
I have to study under female teachers and professors. However, since women of prior generations were not allowed to go to school, there are not that many qualified women teachers and professors. Male professors must teach me from behind a wall.
I am to be treated by female doctors. Go to female dentists. And if there are none, then I have to go without or I must be examined through some sort of divider.
I am not allowed to practice birth control or have abortions, even if carrying or having a child means I have to die.
My worth is based on the Islamic Laws of Retribution, 24th edition, December 1982, as half of a man. It doesn't matter who I am, how educated I am, and what earning potential I may have in my life. My worth is half of a man, any man.
According to clauses 33 and 91 of the law in respect, Qasas (The Islamic Retribution Bill) and its boundaries, the value of woman is considered only half as much as the value of a man.
Article 1: dieh or blood money paid to the victim or next of kin for as compensation for bodily injury or murder of a relative.
The Islamic Law of Retribution
In the old Islamic laws, recently placed into practice by the Islamic Republic of Iran, the worth of a man's life is equal to the market value of 100 camels or 200 cows and that of a woman is equal to half of the man's, 50 camels or 100 cows.
The clause number 6 regarding the dieh (cash value of the fine) states that the cash fine for murdering a woman intentionally or unintentionally is half as much as for a man. The same clause adds that if a man intentionally murders a woman and the guardian of the woman himself is not able to pay half of the Dieh (the value of 50 camels or 100 cows, the difference between the value of a man to that of a woman's life) to the murderer, the murderer will be exempted from retribution.
New Legal Standing: Pursuant to article 85 of the constitution, the Islamic penal code article 300, blood money or dieh, a sum paid to the next of kin as compensation for the murder of a relative, is twice as much in the case of a murdered man as in the case of a woman. The number of witnesses required to prove a crime is higher if the witnesses are female. For example, article 237 of the penal code states that first degree murder must be proven by testimony of two just men and evidence for second-degree murder or manslaughter requires the testimony of two just men, or one just man and two just women, or of one just man and the accuser.
My testimony in a court of law is equal to half of that of a man. In most countries I don't vote and I don't get elected to office. And if I do, it does not mean much. I inherit only half as much as my male siblings.
I cannot get custody of my children. Even if their father dies. In the case of divorce or death I have to surrender my children to their father and/or his family.
I cannot travel, work, go to college, join organizations, even visit my friends and relatives without my father or husband's permission.
I must live where my husband desires.
I am banned from studies such as engineering, agriculture, archaeology, restoration of the historic monuments and handicrafts, and many other fields. I am not allowed to become a judge.
Under the terms of Koranic law, any judge fulfilling the seven requirements (that he have reached puberty, be a believer, know the Koranic laws perfectly, be just, and not be affected by amnesia, or be a bastard, or be of the female sex) is qualified to dispense justice in any type of case.
I have no right to choose the clothing I wear in public. This is done by the Office of the Islamic Guidance which sets the color, the style, and the accessories for women and girls as young as 6 years of age.
I will get arrested, beaten, and sometimes even executed if I wear make-up, nylons, bright colors and specifically the color of red.
I cannot choose my mate and am not permitted to divorce him if things did not work out.
According to Khomeini, the Iranian Islamic Imam, "The most suitable time for a girl to get married is the time when the girl can have her first menstrual period in her husband's house rather than her father's".
I have to meet all my husband's desires including the sexual ones. And if I refuse he has the right to deny me food, shelter, and all of life's necessities. I have to say yes every time he wants to have sex.
According to Hojatoleslam Imani, Religious Leader in Iran. "A woman should endure any violence or torture imposed on her by her husband for she is fully at his disposal. Without his permission she may not leave her house even for a good action (such as charitable work). Otherwise her prayers and devotions will not be accepted by God and curses of heaven and earth will fall upon her".
My husband can divorce me without my knowledge and by the Islamic law he is required to support me for only 100 days. And if he dies, I am entitled to 1/8 of his Estate.
I can only ask for divorce if my husband is impotent, if he does not have sex with me at least one night in every forty nights, and if he refuses to provide me with a minimum standard of living.
My husband can have four permanent wives and if he is from Shi'i sect, he can have as many temporary wives as he wants.
Koran says that "Men your wives are your tillage. Go into your tillage anyway you want". This means that a man is allowed to sodomise his wife and she cannot complain.
In some countries they even mutilate, cut and sew my female sexual parts in order to control and regulate my sexual desire.
According to the Islamic Laws, I am supposed to be seen outside of my home three times in my life. When I am born, when I get married and when I die.
I have no explanation on why God denied me everything and made men in charge of me, if there is a God. I don't believe there ever was one.
In Islam, the age of majority for a girl is 9 years and for a boy is 15 years. This means that a 9 year old girl and a 15 year old boy are considered to have the same level of maturity. Now, if girls reach maturity six years earlier than boys, then why did God place men in charge of women? Was there something wrong with God's Judgment?
In some Islamic countries such as Iran, if I am arrested for wearing make-up, the guards will force me to clean my face with cotton balls rubbed in pieces of glass. This cuts my face. The barbaric revolutionary guard, while watching the blood run out of my flesh, will tell me, "next time you think about this and will not wear it".
As a political prisoner I will be used as a concubine for the revolutionary guards. In case I am condemned to death I will not undergo the sentence as long as I am a virgin. Thus I will be systematically raped before the sentence is executed. Mullahs believe that virgin girls who die go to heaven but politically inclined girls are ungodly creatures and they do not deserve to go to heaven, therefore they are raped so that the Mullah's can be sure that they indeed will be sent to hell.
In Islam, if a 6 or 7 year old girl is raped by an adult man, she will be the one that gets punished. It is her fault because she provoked it. The parents then will burn or kill her because she has dishonored the family.
It has been said that the Moslem Prophet got very upset one day noticing his wives flirting with men who visited him and ordered women to stay behind a dividing curtain when speaking with men. The idea of hijab, the covering up of women, became a law in Islamic countries from that day.
In 1991, the Prosecutor-General of Iran, declared that "anyone who rejects the principle of hijab is an apostate and the punishment for an apostate under Islamic law is death."
Polygamy is legal in Islam. A man may marry "four Permanent" and as many "Provisional" or temporary wives as he desires.
"Marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own; so it is likelier you will not be partial". The Koran 4:3 "Most Europeans have mistresses. Why should we suppress human instincts? A rooster satisfies several hens, an stallion several mares. A woman is unavailable during certain periods where as a man is always active....", Ayatollah Ghomi, LE MONDE, January 20, 1979.
Parvin Darabi

Barbaric or what.

 

[northstar]

wow, that really makes you understand why a woman feels so utterly helpless...The Law of Islam was the ranting of a man who clearly, in his own words, felt that women were half of men and also could be slaves of men, and so his words to justify his deep cruel problem with women have translated to today's world where women are still being oppressed.

The core of this problem is what this woman has lived, scripture in action...yes very barbaric...

 

[gopher]

Gopher, l only know because geography is not my strong point {blush} and l made the same mistake on the other forum, and of course, l naturally wanted to point out any error you may make in order to make myself the grand poo-bah of ...of...of ...well whatever...

So, what is happening to you, getting soft????

l know, it is because CDNBEAR is not around, where are you, yooo-hoo, CDNBEAR!!!!

p.s. if you love the Pope-ishness you can convert you know, Jesus loves you...hee, hee....

Northstar,

Don't quite know what you're driving at -- first, again, I don't recall ever having said Turkey was in the ME. If I did so, I'm sorry. But I generally know my geography quite well.

Can you show me where I said it?

As for going "soft", what exactly do you mean?

I never used pejoratives on you or anyone else. Is that what you're driving at? Yes, I've also been accused of calling people here "Nazi" but again nobody ever showed me where I actually used that term on anyone. And when I asked for a post where I did it, my challenge was ignored though others jumped on the bandwagon and accused me of being in attack mode.

Again, if you could clarify it would settle my confusion ...

 

[northstar]

soft and confused-LOVE IT!!!!!

:laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7: