EU- Going down the economic Shxthole- Why-

Goober

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EU- Going down the economic Shxthole- Why-
This is a major wakeup call to the EU- get your act together- China is in Shxt Shape economically as well-

Are we headed for another dirty 30's- I think so. But then I am just a DDH- Dumb Down Homer.

Moody

The debt crisis that has plagued the euro zone for more than two years now threatens its top-rated nations – including Germany – amid mounting concerns that Spain is teetering on the brink of collapse.

Moody’s Investors Service struck at the core of the 17-member monetary union late Monday, revising to “negative” from “stable” its view of the triple-A ratings of Germany, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.

The influential U.S. ratings agency cited the escalating troubles in the euro zone, the possibility of Athens departing and the troubling possibility that vastly larger Spain and Italy will need to be rescued by their European partners.

Moody’s move illustrates how the virus that began in Greece and quickly spread through the peripheral European countries is now infecting the core. That raises the possibility of higher debt costs for the more fiscally sound countries that have so far escaped a rash of downgrades and attacks by bond vigilantes.

The latest development came as Spain’s crisis heightened, with benchmark 10-year bond yields surging at one point to a euro-era record of almost 7.6 per cent, while Italy’s widened to a six-month high.

Fears are growing that Madrid itself is on the verge of seeking a massive bailout from its European partners, which would put the future of the euro in grave doubt.

“At this stage, a Spanish bailout to cover the exchequer financing needs for 2013-14 is virtually unavoidable,” said Constantin Gurdgiev, a finance lecturer at Trinity College in Dublin.

The troubles in Spain sent tremors through nervous global markets. Bond, equity and commodity investors around the world headed for U.S. Treasuries, Canadian government debt and other harbours considered relatively safe from increasingly stormy European seas. The sharp decline in Spanish stocks amid rising volatility prompted the market regulator to prohibit short-selling for three months. Italy has imposed a one-week ban on shorting of certain bank and insurance stocks.

Investors are losing confidence in the ability of the Europeans to keep their single currency from failing. The euro plunged against other major currencies, reaching its weakest level against the U.S. dollar in two years, and a record low against the Canadian dollar.

Markets are at the limits of their patience, said Alex Jurshevski, managing partner with Recovery Partners in Toronto, which advises governments on how to manage debt crises. We’ve come along three, four years in a process that seemingly has had no clearly announced objective, no set of milestones. “What we saw was the markets saying, ‘Enough is enough.’”

The latest developments and the harsh reacton in bond and equity markets have heightened fears that Spain is rapidly running out of fiscal manoeuvring room. Spain’s deteriorating finances and the perilous fiscal state of key regional governments are not news to the markets.

But the warning flags posted by Moodys are bound to worsen the already sour market mood. “The rising uncertainty regarding the outcome of the euro area debt crisis given the current policy framework, and the increased susceptibility to event risk stemming from the increased likelihood of Greece’s exit from the euro area, including the broader impact that such an event would have on euro area members, particularly Spain and Italy,” the agency said.
 

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Read this weeks MacLeans. Good articles on how rampant socialism is destroying the economy. Greedy bunch still figure they are entitled to their entitlements even if their grandchildren have to pay for it.
One of the more disgusting is if you get sick or hurt while on vacation your vacation time and pay is extended to cover the time out. Unless you are young and then if you should be so fortunate to have a job it is a contract position with no bennies.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Socialism isn't the same thing as greed, that's more typical of unregulated capitalism. I think the issue with the EU is the monetary union itself, it should never have let in the weak and corrupt economies, all that happens is that the stronger ones get dragged down the debt hole of the weaker ones. It's senseless for Greece and Italy to have the same currency as Germany and the Netherlands.
 

taxslave

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Socialism isn't the same thing as greed, that's more typical of unregulated capitalism. I think the issue with the EU is the monetary union itself, it should never have let in the weak and corrupt economies, all that happens is that the stronger ones get dragged down the debt hole of the weaker ones. It's senseless for Greece and Italy to have the same currency as Germany and the Netherlands.

Read the Macleans article. The socialist greed would make a banker blush.
 

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Read this weeks MacLeans. Good articles on how rampant socialism is destroying the economy. Greedy bunch still figure they are entitled to their entitlements even if their grandchildren have to pay for it.
One of the more disgusting is if you get sick or hurt while on vacation your vacation time and pay is extended to cover the time out. Unless you are young and then if you should be so fortunate to have a job it is a contract position with no bennies.

Also include banks who sold bonds- investing companies - who put packages together- The corruption of the Politicians of the Member countries who knew but stayed silent. To blame socialism is limiting in the fault that needs to be laid at the feet of those that assisted in this disaster.
 

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The problem also comes from the fact the the social programs are good what the
government did with the money is not. For example UI, and other programs saw
governments borrow from them and not paying the money back. Those who are
now seniors are depending on the entitlement investment they made. The over
all programs were paid for by participants and in most of Canada they used the
money for roads and God knows what else. People paid for the program and yes
they are entitled to what they paid for.
Secondly this crap about socialism being to blame for everything is nonsense.
Yes socialist programs are not always the best but when the program is socialist
in nature and managed by those who don't give a damn except for short term
solutions all kinds of things happen
A much bigger problem is, companies that don't pay their share of the tax burden
you know paying for the upkeep of all kinds of things that even benefit business.
We have lower and lower tax rates for big corporations and more and more
increased taxes for everyone else. For companies and others in the 1% the free
ride should end.
I think irresponsible government and tax dodgers legally and other wise are far more
at fault than social programs.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Read the Macleans article. The socialist greed would make a banker blush.
I lost interest in the magazine several years ago and let my subscription lapse. Next time I'm in Chapters I'll check it out, but I still think you're calling something socialist that really isn't. Socialism is just a theory of social and political organization that advocates vesting ownership and control of the means of production and distribution in the community as a whole, or more popularly, an attempt to implement such an idea in whole or in part.
 

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EU- Going down the economic Shxthole- Why-

Lets just hope not, because they will drag the rest of the world with them.. sorta like a big black hole..

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I think the handwriting has been on the wall for many years now that the bubble is eventually going to burst and sh*t is going to hit the fan. Never has the mentality for borrowing and spending money we don't have been so rampant. Every year we go after higher wages to balance off inflation only to find by the end of the year we are right back where we were at the start of the year. No use worrying about it, better just to start growing beans and canning them....................we'll need them. :lol:
 

B00Mer

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I think the handwriting has been on the wall for many years now that the bubble is eventually going to burst and sh*t is going to hit the fan. Never has the mentality for borrowing and spending money we don't have been so rampant. Every year we go after higher wages to balance off inflation only to find by the end of the year we are right back where we were at the start of the year. No use worrying about it, better just to start growing beans and canning them....................we'll need them. :lol:

Tomato paste or toilet paper? :lol:

Toilet Paper... could be Tooth Paste too.