Yeah, Holland is very different from the Netherlands. When you say "Holland", you actually say "those few Protestant provinces who gained independence from the Spanish Crown in I-don't-know-what-century-exactly" ... As a Dutchman, I always feel a bit neglected in the common view foreigners have of the Dutch. I'm from the south, which only later became part of the Netherlands, they're all Catholic around here too, that's why we have a history of twohundred years of persecution by our oh-so-tolerant Protestant countrymen ... We don't have dikes around here; no polders; no tulips; no big rivers. Guess we look more like Belgium. Which doesn't mean I don't feel Dutch though...