Economic Action Dud: Canada loses 46,000 jobs, unemployment rate climbs to 7.2%
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You need to look at both direct and indirect employment.
2 pipelines, one East and one West will cost in the billions, and a huge chunk of that money goes to paying the employee base required to get this done
You are going to have to start responding with much more detail if you want this discussion to get anywhere.
How do you figure that it requires more jobs to operate a pipeline than is does to move the same amount of oil by rail? Once a pipeline is up and running, the amount of manpower required is pretty minimal(relatively, of course).
No oil is moved to port or refineries by truck.
Rail oil filling stations aren't fed by truck and are mainly automated with one man doing what 10 used to.
I am not arguing that the construction won't create jobs during the construction of the pipeline. I am saying that long term, the entire point of the pipeline is to cut down on the amount of manpower required to move oil around. A lot of people are currently employed moving oil by rail and trucks.
You realize that is exactly the point of the pipelines too, right?
We are not making comparisons to yesteryear, we are looking at what takes more manpower today. Pipelines, or rail/trucks?
Pipes because there are no jobs in trucks and rail is automated.
Pipes have more jobs spread all along the line. You see it's not just a pipeline. It's an "energy corridor".
Pipes have more jobs spread all along the line. You see it's not just a pipeline. It's an "energy corridor".
Rail is relatively recent and the trucking component is still in play to get crude from the batteries to the terminals/refineries.
You are missing the big picture economics here in that getting Western crude to Asia and Europe opens new markets and fetches a better commodity price. This in turn spurs the industry, investment and indirect employment, not to mention that the iBanks in TO, steel mfgrs in Ont and a myriad of professional services like engineering companies now are hiring to take on these multi year contracts.
AB and Sask are still shy of around 50,000 jobs.
Much of Canada's unemployment is a sheer matter of those that won't go to where the work is.
It is to the point that the gvt is providing tax relief to those companies that need to find temporary foreign workers
Much of Canada's unemployment is a sheer matter of those that won't go to where the work is.
It is to the point that the gvt is providing tax relief to those companies that need to find temporary foreign workers
Lol, since when is rail automated? We don't allow trains full of oil to zip around the country without a crew on board.
You yourself said that trucks are used.
A crew of three even if the train is 30 cars or 150 with drones in the middle and back.
That is a lot of manpower compared to what a pipeline requires.
Think about it. If it wasn't cheaper to move oil by pipeline, why would they be fighting this hard to be allowed to do it?
Pipelines require manned pumping and lift stations, PM crews, daily fly overs and Provincial utilities to run it from one end to the other.
Rail crude minor compared to the grain, intermodal, auto, potash, lumber, coal and chemcials and has to compete for the limited line capacity.
I dunno. Seem sto me that many of the factors that contribute to unemployment have bugger all to do with domestic economic policy. The global marketplace is sucha driver that the acts of national governments one way or the other (short of outright theft and corruption) are just scribbling in the margins.
Even the vilified banksters don't have much control. It's all pretty a machine that runs on its own subject to no law or rule and more or less a function of randomness.
Even the vilified banksters don't have much control. It's all pretty a machine that runs on its own subject to no law or rule and more or less a function of randomness.
And if your most valuable and marketable resources and food exports were land locked?
Have you ever looked at the Asia Pacific Gateway project as a whole?
Not just oil but all of Western Canadian and America exports and imports?
Have you ever looked at the Asia Pacific Gateway project as a whole?
Not just oil but all of Western Canadian and America exports and imports?
You honestly think that they would want to build pipelines if it were cheaper to move oil by rail?
When you factor in the cost of rebuilding a few small towns that are blown-up, the economics change quite a bit
Rail can't move the same volume.
Or what a potash spill will do to a river system.
Suncor paid around 1/2 million for 400-500 ducks dying in their tailing ponds, I shudder to think of the fines for killing fish, fowl and plant life all along a river system