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Carly Fiorina, pink nail polish and sexism


By Jonathan CapehartApril 16

Carly Fiorina was rather impressive fielding pointed questions from beltway reporters taking their measure of her. The potential aspirant for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination held forth on Iran, religious freedom and why her experience in business makes her qualified to sit in the Oval Office. But a record-scratch moment came about 36 minutes into the hour-long breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

“Well, ma’am, I never met a presidential candidate with pink nail polish on,” said Paul Bedard of the Washington Examiner before asking the former Hewlett-Packard chief executive about women’s issues and how she would better represent women than Hillary Clinton. “Well, there’s always a first,” she replied.

Well, that set off murmurs of sexism on my side of the table. Fiorina’s response, which I’ll get to in a moment, was in keeping with what she told me after the breakfast.

Hustling behind her as she made her way out of the St. Regis, I asked Fiorina about the nail polish comment. And I inquired how she would deal with situations where people focus as much on her appearance as on her policies. Fiorina cut me off before I had a chance to finish the question.

“I’ve been dealing with it all my life,” Fiorina said.

I followed with a question about how she would deal with sexism on the campaign trail, especially if she got the GOP nomination and her Democratic opponent was Clinton. I told her that I could see a New York Post front page screaming “Catfight!” and I asked how she would deal with that. “Well, sometimes you choose to confront,” Fiorina said, “and sometimes you choose to ignore it and just keep going.” She did the latter in response to Bedard.

Fiorina chose to ignore Bedard’s comment about her pale pink nails. She dove right into the substance of his question about whether there were issues that women care about that are different from those men cared about.
If you look at the data and based on all of my experience, every issue is a women’s issue. Women care about all the issues that impact this nation, that impact them, that impact their families. I find it personally insulting as a woman that the Democratic Party talks about women’s issues. Every issue’s a women’s issue. Women care about the economy. They care about jobs. They care about health care. They care about immigration, national security, education, every issue is a woman’s issue. There’s no doubt.
Fiorina then paused for nearly 10 seconds. I wondered if she would challenge the pink polish query. Actually, I hoped she would. Instead, Fiorina dealt with Bedard’s question about how she would represent women better than Clinton. Fiorina’s answer was quite good.
I think that if Hillary Clinton were to face a female nominee, there are a whole set of things that she won’t be able to talk about. She won’t be able to talk about being the first woman president. She won’t be able to talk about a war on women without being challenged. She won’t be able to play the gender card. And so what she will have to run on is her track record, her accomplishments, her candor and trustworthiness and her policies. And I think that’s what elections should be run on. Not identity politics. Not what you look like, but who you are and what you believe and what you’ve done and what you will do.
Fiorina is half right. Identity politics IS important. She even said so implicitly in an earlier response to a question about how running as a business person would be any more successful than it was for Mitt Romney. Pointing to the exit poll showing the 2012 GOP nominee losing by a wide margin the “cares about me” vote, Fiorina said, “For most people, politics is personal.” She added, “Policy is important, but I also think empathy and connection are hugely important. I think that people understanding where you come from, what your story is, what your background is is as important to any leadership role, but particularly running for the president of the United States, as your policies.”

Fiorina is absolutely correct on this score. Yet, for many people that personal connection comes through their identity. Fiorina’s embrace of her female identity — or her unwillingness to explicitly do so — as she seeks to make history in her own right, will determine how they connect with her. I’m not suggesting that being a woman should be the entirety of her message. But it should be a clear part of it. Clinton chose not to play the gender card in 2008 and many believe it cost her. If Fiorina really wants a shot at the White House she shouldn’t make the same mistake.

Carly Fiorina, pink nail polish and sexism - The Washington Post

One of the things that makes this so interesting is that the author, Jonathan Capehart, is the most dyed-in-the-wool, hardcore progressive Democrat in the Post's stable of opinion writers. For him to give props to a Republican is amazing.

Grudging respect is the best kind.
 
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an excellent article...an interesting woman...I will keep my eye on her

T Bones...you might want to break the links in the quotes...I think that's where the bleed is coming from
 

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I'll keep it in mind for future posts.
that likely isn't the problem then...who knows someone will be along to fix it I'm sure...it's not a bad bleed anyway

what do you think of her?

is she a possible...I like how she refused to address the pink polish...it's a generational thing too I think the younger males are far better in this regard but the circle she is up against "the boys club" are also under scrutiny now for sexual behaviour that used to be given a pass but that's just a tiny piece of this but she seems to present in a strong way
 

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that likely isn't the problem then...who knows someone will be along to fix it I'm sure...it's not a bad bleed anyway

what do you think of her?

is she a possible...I like how she refused to address the pink polish...it's a generational thing too I think the younger males are far better in this regard but the circle she is up against "the boys club" are also under scrutiny now for sexual behaviour that used to be given a pass but that's just a tiny piece of this but she seems to present in a strong way
That was the part that grabbed me. One of the truly amazing things about dealing with people from whatever part of the sociopolitical spectrum is that they think that their observations about Indians, or assumptions about me, good, bad, or just stupid, are somehow new or interesting. As Carly says, "I've been dealing with it all my life."

As for what I think of her, what I know thus far is that she's center-right. Whether or not I end up supporting her depends on, first of all, whether she runs of course, and after that how she comes down on various issues.

I said a short while ago I'd vote for Martin O'Malley or Marco Rubio. Rubio's slipping fast because of some statements he has since made to suck up to the teabaggers, like that he would instantly repudiate any deal made with Iran. Any Republican who focusses on making Obama an unperson and his administration didn't-happen is not fit to be President.
 

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Carly Fiorina is a brilliant lady and I wish she would step into the ring.. I think she would give Hillary a run for her money, and the rest of the Republican contenders too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiemOH0IXU4

Intelligent and articulate, and she has a track record to run on of accomplishments.

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Why is this thread so funky at the bottom??
 

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That was the part that grabbed me. One of the truly amazing things about dealing with people from whatever part of the sociopolitical spectrum is that they think that their observations about Indians, or assumptions about me, good, bad, or just stupid, are somehow new or interesting.
I can't even begin to imagine what that is like...it is so far from my world on a personal level that all I can do is attempt to understand...it angers me when people think they know...how could they know until it happens to them...how can they project and then assume they would successfully handle it...no one knows...it's like grinding poverty, if you haven't been there have the grace to stfu...listen and learn something, expand your universe...walk a mile etc.
As Carly says, "I've been dealing with it all my life."
that was the line that grabbed me too..."I've been dealing with it all my life."

totally acknowledging exactly what's out there in the business world and the world at large actually.. that she has of course seen it and experienced it and dealt with it...successfully on levels which can be seen, who knows about the unseen and that is her personal business.

and I think most women of my generation would say the same thing...and sure it's how you handle it in some cases but not all by a long shot...even within the school board now...very different experience for the women than for the men...I can see it...so I asked...yes...some of the women will acknowledge it as will some of the men...not all though...but for different reasons of course


As for what I think of her, what I know thus far is that she's center-right. Whether or not I end up supporting her depends on, first of all, whether she runs of course, and after that how she comes down on various issues.
explain to me what center right means...and yes I am interested to hear how she would handle various issues

I said a short while ago I'd vote for Martin O'Malley or Marco Rubio. Rubio's slipping fast because of some statements he has since made to suck up to the teabaggers, like that he would instantly repudiate any deal made with Iran. Any Republican who focusses on making Obama an unperson and his administration didn't-happen is not fit to be President.
that's disappointing...agreed
 

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I think that I posted in '08 that I would have liked to see Condi Rice run, Black and a woman, would have been quite a double whammy!
And nobody would have been able to call her "dumb"!
 

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I'll give that a shot.


Nope, no joy. No links are showing. The "edit" screen is limited.

I'll keep it in mind for future posts.

Anything hyperlinked (in blue, underlined) can sometimes cause the same problems as 'https' in the YouTube video postings. Varies from source to source. It's happened to me when I've posted articles from Yahoo news. Not a big deal, I was able to fix it. :)

I routinely break all links within the text for all my posts now, just my habit. If anyone really wants to check them out, the link to the original article will let them do so.

Just FYI for anyone reading this.
 

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I can't even begin to imagine what that is like...it is so far from my world on a personal level that all I can do is attempt to understand...it angers me when people think they know...how could they know until it happens to them...how can they project and then assume they would successfully handle it...no one knows...it's like grinding poverty, if you haven't been there have the grace to stfu...listen and learn something, expand your universe...walk a mile etc.
that was the line that grabbed me too..."I've been dealing with it all my life."

totally acknowledging exactly what's out there in the business world and the world at large actually.. that she has of course seen it and experienced it and dealt with it...successfully on levels which can be seen, who knows about the unseen and that is her personal business.

and I think most women of my generation would say the same thing...and sure it's how you handle it in some cases but not all by a long shot...even within the school board now...very different experience for the women than for the men...I can see it...so I asked...yes...some of the women will acknowledge it as will some of the men...not all though...but for different reasons of course


explain to me what center right means...and yes I am interested to hear how she would handle various issues

that's disappointing...agreed

Center-right would tend to focus on business profitability over worker welfare, favor cutting the deficit by cutting "people programs," about medium-hot militarism (less than Bush, more than Obama), "toughness" on law and order issues, de-emphasis of misconduct by police, prosecutors, and government, and a general indifference to issues of race, sex, poverty. Bush was center-right, except in his militarism. "Right" was exemplified by his anti-abortion stance and his faith-based initiative (giving government money to churches), "center" was exemplified by the fact that after he was elected, he never did a thing about abortion, and he allowed his faith-based initiative to be defunded and die without making any particular effort to save it.

Romney was center-right. He just got burned by too enthusiastically embracing teabagger rhetoric.
 

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Center-right would tend to focus on business profitability over worker welfare, favor cutting the deficit by cutting "people programs," about medium-hot militarism (less than Bush, more than Obama), "toughness" on law and order issues, de-emphasis of misconduct by police, prosecutors, and government, and a general indifference to issues of race, sex, poverty. Bush was center-right, except in his militarism. "Right" was exemplified by his anti-abortion stance and his faith-based initiative (giving government money to churches), "center" was exemplified by the fact that after he was elected, he never did a thing about abortion, and he allowed his faith-based initiative to be defunded and die without making any particular effort to save it.

Romney was center-right. He just got burned by too enthusiastically embracing teabagger rhetoric.
thanks, that's a clear explanation
 

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I would like, for reasons I'll keep to myself, to see a female elected president. There are a few that I believe are just as much if not more qualified than any male who is running. What I guess I'm waiting for, is someone who focuses on the issues, and refrains from the usual practice of promoting themselves at the expense of the integrity of their opponents. That would be a good start .
 

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Fiorina will be demonized by the left if she becomes a credible candidate.
They are all involved in demonizing each other. That's the bulk of their campaigns. In both parties. All I hear from the front players , when they're not demonizing Obama, is how lousy Hillary is. And the Democrats do their fair share of mud slinging as well. It's like two separate groups of children trying to come up with new ways of "beating" the other. Although you don't see as much of this childishness among children. The word should be changed to adultishness, relative to politics.
 

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They are all involved in demonizing each other. That's the bulk of their campaigns. In both parties. All I hear from the front players , when they're not demonizing Obama, is how lousy Hillary is. And the Democrats do their fair share of mud slinging as well. It's like two separate groups of children trying to come up with new ways of "beating" the other. Although you don't see as much of this childishness among children. The word should be changed to adultishness, relative to politics.
But it's right when "our" side does it and wrong when "their" side does it.

The most shining moment of the 2000 Presidential campaign was a town hall meeting where John McCain was asked a rambling question that included the assumption that Barack Obama wasn't American and was a Kenyan Muslim socialist who wanted to destroy America. McCain firmly said "Ma'am, I believe Barack Obama is an American and loves his country. I disagree with him on how to keep America safe and free."

That it was such a singular moment was sad.
 

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It's fun to troll ideologues in internet forum with such outlandish comments on Obama, Bush, Palin, Clinton and others, but it is not acceptable in serious public political venues.......
 

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But it's right when "our" side does it and wrong when "their" side does it.

The most shining moment of the 2000 Presidential campaign was a town hall meeting where John McCain was asked a rambling question that included the assumption that Barack Obama wasn't American and was a Kenyan Muslim socialist who wanted to destroy America. McCain firmly said "Ma'am, I believe Barack Obama is an American and loves his country. I disagree with him on how to keep America safe and free."

That it was such a singular moment was sad.
I kinda place a large part of the blame in the way things are on political talk show people like Rash and the like. They make millions of dollars stirring the S***. And people listen to that crap daily.
 

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I kinda place a large part of the blame in the way things are on political talk show people like Rash and the like. They make millions of dollars stirring the S***. And people listen to that crap daily.
Partly, but the notion that politics back in the day was gentlemanly and polite is mostly nostalgia. The Adams/Jefferson election of 1800 was characterized by accusations of the vilest sort in the papers.
 

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I would like, for reasons I'll keep to myself, to see a female elected president. There are a few that I believe are just as much if not more qualified than any male who is running. What I guess I'm waiting for, is someone who focuses on the issues, and refrains from the usual practice of promoting themselves at the expense of the integrity of their opponents. That would be a good start .

You just want a PILF running the country.. :lol: