Civil servants share $6B 'severance' without losing jobs

JLM

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Getting laid off doesn't mean you're no frigging good, as you put it, it just means the government is cancelling whatever program or project or scaling back whatever activity your job was associated with. In the current round of cutbacks, for instance, it looks like the entire federal presence in Regina for agriculture is disappearing, including the few fragments that were left over after the previous restructuring destroyed a once fine, productive and useful institution, the Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Administration. That I expect will prove to be a serious mistake. PFRA's main business was preserving the soil and water of the Canadian prairies. There was a drought in the 1980s that statistically, in terms of dryness and heat and wind, was every bit as bad as the Dust Bowl of the 1930s, but that time we didn't see whole townships blowing away and the wholesale relocation of people from what had become deserts. PFRA was the difference. That desert is still out there waiting for us to let our guard down. And now we have. Next time there's a major drought on the prairies...

Technically you are correct, but having worked in the public sector, I know, in general practice you are not. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but in 35 years I've found they've pretty well always found a way to keep a good man, with the Unions ridiculous rules about seniority etc, sometimes they have to ostensibly close programs in order to "pull weeds" and a little "gerimandering" is necessary.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Not this time. I'm close to half a dozen people who work at what used to be PFRA, I worked there for a decade myself when it was still PFRA, and that's not the story I get from them. Gerry Ritz appears to have something personal against PFRA, at least I can't think of any other likely explanation for his behaviour, and there are a couple of hatchet men in Ottawa with a grudge too. I've always thought it was because PFRA was successful and respected and there's a certain kind of bureaucratic mindset (the little Napoleon types) that can't stand that. Half the cuts to the federal agriculture department happened in Regina, and it sure looks to me like it's personal. This time it's the good people that are gone--including my friends--and the deadwood that remains.

This is probably the dumbest government this country has ever had.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I don't think that's the issue here, they're paying out only what the contract specifies, then removing that clause from future contracts, and contrary to my earlier thoughts on it, apparently is WAS negotiated with the public sector bargaining units. That wasn't clear from reports I'd read at the time, but this morning's Globe & Mail talks about the negotiations.
 

taxslave

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I don't think that's the issue here, they're paying out only what the contract specifies, then removing that clause from future contracts, and contrary to my earlier thoughts on it, apparently is WAS negotiated with the public sector bargaining units. That wasn't clear from reports I'd read at the time, but this morning's Globe & Mail talks about the negotiations.

Thats because a clear news report would make it a non story.
 

Cabbagesandking

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It is still not a 'non-story.' Is it a further reduction in the wage and benefits of public sector workers? Is is one more assault on that part of the economy.

Unions are agreeing to many reductions in their memberss' conditions in the face of the relentless attack by governments and the abuse of power by government. Witness Ontario and the teachers now as a Provincial copycat exercise.

I have seen nothing yet to say that the federal action in this is not one more in the Harper/Raitt Fascisistic method.
 

JLM

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Not this time. I'm close to half a dozen people who work at what used to be PFRA, I worked there for a decade myself when it was still PFRA, and that's not the story I get from them. Gerry Ritz appears to have something personal against PFRA, at least I can't think of any other likely explanation for his behaviour, and there are a couple of hatchet men in Ottawa with a grudge too. I've always thought it was because PFRA was successful and respected and there's a certain kind of bureaucratic mindset (the little Napoleon types) that can't stand that. Half the cuts to the federal agriculture department happened in Regina, and it sure looks to me like it's personal. This time it's the good people that are gone--including my friends--and the deadwood that remains.

This is probably the dumbest government this country has ever had.

I was just responding to your description of the three types of termination in general terms, nothing to do with any specific case. Of course there are exceptions to every situation or rule. :smile:
 

taxslave

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It is still not a 'non-story.' Is it a further reduction in the wage and benefits of public sector workers? Is is one more assault on that part of the economy.

Unions are agreeing to many reductions in their memberss' conditions in the face of the relentless attack by governments and the abuse of power by government. Witness Ontario and the teachers now as a Provincial copycat exercise.

I have seen nothing yet to say that the federal action in this is not one more in the Harper/Raitt Fascisistic method.

No it is good government fixing sins of the past. Taxpayers have had all they can take of their servants making so much more for so much less work. You being a freeloader would probably not understand that.
Show us where it is a reduction in wages.
 

JLM

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No it is good government fixing sins of the past. Taxpayers have had all they can take of their servants making so much more for so much less work. You being a freeloader would probably not understand that.
Show us where it is a reduction in wages.

Off topic a little but that mentality with both government and workers was made abundantly clear with the announcement recently of yet another holiday ............in February. It used to be a valid excuse/reason was needed for a holiday but not anymore, don't like "holiday", take a "professional day". :lol:
 

Dexter Sinister

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Taxpayers have had all they can take of their servants making so much more for so much less work.
And that is the biggest red herring of them all. I've worked in both public and private sector bureaucracies and there's nothing to choose between them, they're both awful.
 

Cabbagesandking

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No it is good government fixing sins of the past. Taxpayers have had all they can take of their servants making so much more for so much less work. You being a freeloader would probably not understand that.
Show us where it is a reduction in wages.

Are you an accountant or is that just a pose How is a reduction in wages and benefits not a reduction. Or are your clients just a little shady and you have forgotten just which forum you are addressing.

Freeloader! Me! I have worked longer and harder and for more years than you have lived. Productively, too. Not just someone fiddling tax returns.