Christian Nation?

Would you support such a federation?


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Dexter Sinister

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Re: RE: Christian Nation?

Crusader said:
A Christian nation would eliminate all the divisions caused by race, nationality, language etc.

So, what happens to all those people (a majority of the world's population, incidentally) who aren't Christian?

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jimmoyer

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Dexter Sinister, I like your posts, despite any shallow
level of disagreement I may have.

You have an intelligent and powerful point of view.

But I can't help but notice that you rise from the
deep waters to take a look at that religious treble
hook dangling a worm in front of you.

You don't bite it and you certainly don't swallow it,
but you always come up to look at it.
 

Crusader

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FiveParadox said:
I think I'm going to throw up. Excuse me.

Why? You'd so hate to see your cherished national boudaries vanish that you'd throw up at the sight of God's votaries suddenly being united in all their radiant hues, tongues and customs, all united under the Faith, laws and language of the Gospels?

Then you worship all those Satanic lines drawn on that immaginarey map. You'd rather a world made up of Candians, Americans, Britons, etc. etc. etc. rather than witnessing the children of God, in all their hues, colors and customs united?
 

Crusader

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Dexter Sinister said:
Crusader said:
A Christian nation would eliminate all the divisions caused by race, nationality, language etc.

So, what happens to all those people (a majority of the world's population, incidentally) who aren't Christian?

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The social laws of the Gospel apply to all. And I believe they were not intended only for their time in history, as many contend, but for eternity until the end.
 

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no, Crusader, it is not the beauty of God that is repugnant, it is the manner in which the beauty of God has been violated, mutilated, bastardized and generally used as a means to control the mases rather than honour the lives they were gifted with... Religion has never been able to govern man in any way that God intended... quite the opposite in fact.

If your agenda is to garner some support for this idea, I am sorry to tell you that this may not be the place you'll find it....

I cannot even wish you good luck in your endeavors, for I would dread to see us take such a gargantuan step backwards...
 

Said1

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Re: RE: Christian Nation?

Crusader said:
You cannot serve two masters. Either you are a Canadian or you are a Christian.

A Christian nation would eliminate all the divisions caused by race, nationality, language etc. Everyone on earth who is a Christian would automatically be recognised as a citizen of this nation, irrespective of his color or nationality. Christian before all! And no more bickering over French and English, since we would be united as one people under the language of the Gospel.

But it would seem some here would rather pledge allegiance to Satan in the guise of nationalism, racism, etc. Keep them out of our country, you say.

I say if they are Christian, then they are brethren, so let there be no division among His children.

Amen.

Hmmm, I don't think so. There are deep devides between Christians, think there was a war over it, long ago....I think it lasted 30 yrs.

Plus, there are serious corelations between a successful liberal democracy and secularism. Very serious corelations.
 

Crusader

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FiveParadox said:
I'm gay, Crusader. Still want me in that Christian nation of yours? :p

Adultery is a sin; being heterosexual isn't. It's the act that counts.
Sodomy is a sin; being gay isn't. Same thing. Read the fine print. Nothing in a Christian nation would prohibit you from being gay. You just couldn't act upon your impulsions. That's the same for everyone in society. If I'm angry at someone, I can't go and kill him for nothing. If I'm hugry, that's not a reason to steal. if I'm heterosexual and see a beautiful woman, that's not a reason to sleep with her. So you gay. So what. What makes you so special. We each have our challenges. When I see a beautiful woman, I notice and move on without giving it a second thought. Wy would it be so different for a gay man? Did the gospel say that heterosexuals could sleep around but gays can't? No. Same applies to everyone.
 

jimmoyer

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Well said, Zan.

May I quote the best highlight of your post:
Religion has never been able to govern man in any
way that God intended...quite the opposite in fact.

And another highlight of your post:
...it is not the beauty of God that is repugnant, it
is the manner in which the beauty of God has been
violated...

Even an agnostic and atheist can understand the
internal logic of that statement.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Re: RE: Christian Nation?

Crusader said:
The social laws of the Gospel apply to all.

So you say, but that doesn't answer the question. What happens to all the people who aren't Christian? A lot of people won't much like having those laws applied to them, and will resist. Some of them loudly and forcibly. What're you gonna do with people who resist your version of the way things ought to be? Your screen name suggests you might think putting them to the sword is a good idea.

More personally, what makes you believe you've got a lock on the truth? Most people on the planet don't buy your version of things, and those that do tend to be, in my observation, dangerous demagogues.
 

jimmoyer

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Even al Sistani, a much revered cleric of the Shia who
even gets respect from the Sunni, counsels all clerics
to stay away from political office.

He says this while seeking influence and the shadow
of his stature falls all across Iraq, but he himself
refrains from political office and still councils all leaders
of the faith to refrain from office.

There's a reason for that.

History of the Christian Religion is an instructive
example of how ill behaved it was running a
government over the people.

It is best we discuss moral imperatives freely without
fear of the power of a political office.
 

Dexter Sinister

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jimmoyer said:
Dexter Sinister, I like your posts

...

you always come up to look at it.

On balance, thanks jimmoyer. I think; I'm not entirely sure I know exactly what you mean here. I do have a particular and strongly defended point of view, but I try to pick my targets...
 

Crusader

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Dexter Sinister said:
Crusader said:
The social laws of the Gospel apply to all.

So you say, but that doesn't answer the question. What happens to all the people who aren't Christian? A lot of people won't much like having those laws applied to them, and will resist. Some of them loudly and forcibly. What're you gonna do with people who resist your version of the way things ought to be? Your screen name suggests you might think putting them to the sword is a good idea.

More personally, what makes you believe you've got a lock on the truth? Most people on the planet don't buy your version of things, and those that do tend to be, in my observation, dangerous demagogues.

"It is indeed the word of God, and let this memorable word, the inspiration surely of the Holy Spirit, be for ever adopted as your cry of battle, to animate the devotion and courage of the champions of Christ. His crown is a symbol of your salvation; wear it, a red, a bloody cross, as an external mark, on your breasts or shoulders, as a pledge of your sacred and irrevocable engagement."
-Pope Urban II, A.D. 1095

That's my answer. After all, The Son of Man did say that he did not come to bring peace, but the sword. Did he not? Add to that that Jews and Muslims also believe in the 10 Commandments, and so also believe in "hear, Oh Israel. the LORD you God, the LORD is one." They would not be affected in the least by the laws of the Gospels beyond their social laws.
 

jimmoyer

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Ayyyyyyeeeee carrrumba, Crusader.

Take a different excercise for a moment.

Try if you will, because you are intelligent enough
to do so: Explain any possible reasons why your proposal
for a Christian Nation or Christian League of Nations
could have great potential for problems.

It has always been my theory that all advocates for
a cause know their own argument's weak points.
 

Outta here

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thanx Jimm - I'm passionate about not letting anyone tell me what God thinks is best for me - God resides in our hearts and speaks to each and everyone one of us with much more clarity than we could ever hope to get from a third party intervening for us...

And one last thing Crusader - I believe that God has never intended us to live lives of deprivation. If one is gay, one is as entitled to all the fullness of life as you. No, it's probably not a good idea for you to sleep with every woman you lay eyes upon - but you DO accord yourself the right to have a wife, do you not? To live a life meeting your human needs for love, affection, compansionship and dare I say it, S-E-X.

Well, the God I believe in sez we all have that right. Yes, even homosexuals. If you don't mind me pointing this out, that comment from you seemed a bit condescending... that one could be homeosexual as long as they don't act on it... there's a huge difference between love shared and what you deem to be unacceptable - because someone else in a book written by MEN told you to believe that..

If you truly want to improve the world, may I suggest you dare to think for yourself, ask yourself some questions, listen to your heart for the answers - to your own sense of what a loving God would want... and if you come up with the same answers that have been driven into you by someone else's thinking, then you'll have to conclude that I and many many others do not believe in the same God as you, and would therefore, make poor citizens of a country ruled by his laws.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Re: RE: Christian Nation?

Crusader said:
Nothing in a Christian nation would prohibit you from being gay. You just couldn't act upon your impulsions. ... Same applies to everyone.

Not quite. Some are more equal than others. If you're hetero you're allowed to act on your "impulsions"--I presume you mean impulses, though that's far too flimsy a word for what we're actually talking about here--within certain restricted limits, but you'd deny male homosexuals any possibility of a physically intimate relationship, though I seriously doubt that their need for it is any less than any heterosexual's. What about female homosexuals? Sodomy isn't generally part of their sexual activity, they don't have the tools, so to speak, so what's their particular sin?

And why are some people homosexual? God made 'em that way for some mysterious purpose of His own? You come on like a Christian fundamentalist, which would suggest that might be your position. And if you tell us homosexuality is a choice you will only reveal the intellectual bankruptcy of your position, because that is known to be false.