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darkbeaver

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Yes, there are. Any definition is ultimately going to be a tautology, but consider terms like consistent, accurate, trustworthy, honest, intelligent, logical, reasonable, thoughtful... The Straight Dope and the Skeptic's Dictionary sites I referred you to have excellent reputations as sources of reliable information and analysis.

No, I don't think I did, but it's irrelevant anyway. I didn't post in those threads as far as I can recall, and as far as I can tell from a cursory inspection, they aren't on the list of citations you provided in support of your claims about chemtrails in this thread. It's that list that I described as woo woo. And even if they are in that list somewhere, and even if I did post in them (and I'm not really inclined to spend the time necessary to find out), a few non woo woo citations in the list doesn't lend any credibility to the others. I looked at a random half dozen or so of your citations, and the pattern of flimsy evidence and sloppy thinking was perfectly clear.

No they don't have excellent reputations especially that Skeptic site, I'll post the critique of it when I remember where I got it, they're paid bull****ters for the bankers.
 

Dexter Sinister

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No they don't have excellent reputations especially that Skeptic site, I'll post the critique of it when I remember where I got it, they're paid bull****ters for the bankers.
Indeed? I'll await that with interest, but I'm pretty sure I already know what it'll consist of, I've seen some critiques of it and they consist mostly of the logical fallacies Carroll discusses. Perhaps I should have been more specific: they have excellent reputations among people who know how to think clearly. A mere critique isn't going to do it though. Unless you can prove Robert Carroll and Cecil Adams are paid to BS for the bankers, that's a serious libel worthy of a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
 

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  • The H-Word
    • Guardian, Saturday August 31 2002
    • Margaret Talbot
    Last autumn, something peculiar began to happen at more than two dozen elementary and middle schools scattered across the US. Suddenly, groups of children started breaking out in itchy red rashes that seemed to fade away when the children went home and to re-emerge when they returned to school. Frustratingly for the federal, state and county health officials who were working (...)
    (...) not have fuelled such florid, conspiratorial discussion on the internet - it was "chemtrails" from aeroplanes; it was books on Islam donated to schools by (...)
    Books on Islam, 'chemtrails' from planes, a terrorist attack, a toxin, a virus, anthrax: what (...)
 

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Chemtrails - Lab Report On Air Grab Thru HEPA Filter[/FONT]

'This is the final Lab Report RE: air material analysis. This was a 28 day collection via HEPA filter, 8 hours per day collection. Please note the extremely high Aluminum reading 12,800,000 ppb.'
http://www.rense.com/general82/chemm.htm
 

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Chemtrails - Lab Report On Air Grab Thru HEPA Filter[/FONT]

'This is the final Lab Report RE: air material analysis. This was a 28 day collection via HEPA filter, 8 hours per day collection. Please note the extremely high Aluminum reading 12,800,000 ppb.'
http://www.rense.com/general82/chemm.htm

Thanks stretch i value your support over this fact about chemtrails, others like scratch, juan, FUBAR ,Dexter Sinister,just like jumping in my threads and punting there asinine comments in cos they think they look smart,truth is they are too blind, dumb, or stupid to think about the facts cant they understand the implications of constant spraying would cause in what 10-15 years, who knows what medical conditions will arise.




Barium (pronounced /ˈbɛəriəm/) is a chemical element. It has the symbol Ba, and atomic number 56. Barium is a soft silvery metallic alkaline earth metal. It is never found in nature in its pure form due to its reactivity with air. Its oxide is historically known as baryta but it reacts with water and carbon dioxide and is not found as a mineral. The most common naturally occurring minerals are the very insoluble barium sulfate, BaSO4 (barite), and barium carbonate, BaCO3 (witherite). Benitoite is a rare gem containing barium.
Notable characteristics

Barium is a metallic element that is chemically similar to calcium but more reactive. This metal oxidizes very easily when exposed to air and is highly reactive with water or alcohol, producing hydrogen gas. Burning in air or oxygen produces not just barium oxide (BaO) but also the peroxide. Simple compounds of this heavy element are notable for their high specific gravity. This is true of the most common barium-bearing mineral, its sulfate barite BaSO4, also called 'heavy spar' due to the high density (4.5 g/cm³).

Applications

Barium has some medical and many industrial uses:
History

Barium (Greek barys, meaning "heavy") was first identified in 1774 by Carl Scheele and extracted in 1808 by Sir Humphry Davy in England. The oxide was at first called barote, by Guyton de Morveau, which was changed by Antoine Lavoisier to baryta, from which "barium" was derived to describe the metal.

Occurrence

Because barium quickly becomes oxidized in air, it is difficult to obtain this metal in its pure form. It is primarily found in and extracted from the mineral barite which is crystallized barium sulfate. Because barite is so insoluble, it cannot be used directly for the preparation of other barium compounds. Instead, the ore is heated with carbon to reduce it to barium sulfide[1]
BaSO4 + 2CBaS + 2CO2 The barium sulfide is then hydrolyzed or reacted with acids to form other barium compounds such as the chloride, nitrate, and carbonate.
Barium is commercially produced through the electrolysis of molten barium chloride (BaCl2) Isolation (* follow):

(cathode) Ba2+* + 2e- → Ba(anode) Cl-* → ½Cl2 (g) + e-
Compounds

The most important compounds are barium peroxide, barium chloride, sulfate, carbonate, nitrate, and chlorate.

Isotopes

Main article: isotopes of barium
Naturally occurring barium is a mix of seven stable isotopes. There are twenty-two isotopes known, but most of these are highly radioactive and have half-lives in the several millisecond to several minute range. The only notable exceptions are 133Ba which has a half-life of 10.51 years, and 137mBa (2.55 minutes).

Precautions

All water or acid soluble barium compounds are extremely poisonous. At low doses, barium acts as a muscle stimulant, while higher doses affect the nervous system, causing cardiac irregularities, tremors, weakness, anxiety, dyspnea and paralysis. This may be due to its ability to block potassium ion channels which are critical to the proper function of the nervous system.
Barium sulfate can be taken orally because it is highly insoluble in water, and is eliminated completely from the digestive tract. Unlike other heavy metals, barium does not bioaccumulate.[2] However, inhaled dust containing barium compounds can accumulate in the lungs, causing a benign condition called baritosis.
Oxidation occurs very easily and, to remain pure, barium should be kept under a petroleum-based fluid (such as kerosene) or other suitable oxygen-free liquids that exclude air.
Barium acetate could lead to death in high doses. Marie Robards poisoned her father with the substance in Texas in 1993. She was tried and convicted in 1996
 

Stretch

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>>Thanks stretch i value your support over this fact about chemtrails, others like scratch, juan, FUBAR ,Dexter Sinister,just like jumping in my threads and punting there asinine comments in cos they think they look smart,truth is they are too blind, dumb, or stupid to think about the facts cant they understand the implications of constant spraying would cause in what 10-15 years, who knows what medical conditions will arise.<<

No worries mate.
It would be a boring ol' planet if everyone agreed....these guys are entitled to their opinion just as we are to ours....just dont fall into the trap of name calling or ridicule....leave that to those of differing opinions.
Who knows what will come of this spraying.....it may not manefest itself in this or the next generation.......I did notice that "they" are putting chemtrail like images in games now, need for speed and grand theft auto are 2 that come to mind....just to get us used to the image of them being there I spose........
 

Stretch

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]No such thing as chemtrails? Take a look at this video ...[/FONT]
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http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=4x8-2TAHXfU

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]What Chemtrails Really Are [/FONT]
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http://www.rense.com/general79/chem.htm
 

hermanntrude

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the video seems to show some remarkably regular stratus clouds. I've seen them myself too. They're clouds. Clouds can form some amazing shapes, I once saw one that looked an awful lot like a flying saucer. Turned out it's known as a lenticular cloud... fairly common in mountainous areas.
 

quandary121

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the video seems to show some remarkably regular stratus clouds. I've seen them myself too. They're clouds. Clouds can form some amazing shapes, I once saw one that looked an awful lot like a flying saucer. Turned out it's known as a lenticular cloud... fairly common in mountainous areas.

There not clouds do some searching about chemtrails if you really want to know the facts there's plenty of evidence for these and they have been doing it since the 1970
 

Scott Free

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I have a friend who's cousin is in the military. She told him she was going north and he advised her to wait a while. She asked why and he said they were going to be spraying "stuff" around there. She went anyway. When she arrived she told me her story. I didn't think anything of it until a whole bunch of people (unrelated to her) reported seeing helicopters in the area. That was about a month after her arriving. I never did see anything myself. I wonder if there really was anything or if her story just made the rounds and spooked people. I really don't know. Anything is possible.
 

quandary121

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Multicolored Chemtrails[/FONT]
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A91JooEjgJI

Thanks ive not seen this one or known about Chembows either i walked across the fields the other day to my local shop, which is about 2 and a half miles a way, on the way there i saw 4 different planes flying in staggered formations, spraying chemtrails.!!! When i first looked in to this apparently they began spraying in the 1970 so this has been going on for some time has it got something to do with avian flu i don't know.??? it might .!!!I think darkbeaver or someone mentioned that they are now incorporating them in video games in the backgrounds too make the look normal? more deception... do a Wikipedia search on BARIUM
Someone else has commented about that video and states
The type of cloud in this video in now called 'cirrostratus fibratus' - you won't find that in the old meteorology textbooks!
this is also news to me??
 

FUBAR

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I see long straight clouds all the time, saw loads this morning (3:45 onwards) at work.