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Chavez Defeated!!
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I resent the accusations that I fed him $500k in c-notes at a turkey shoot. And I don't know who that woman is.
I kind of wondered that but I don't know. It could show weakness which could work against him. If people know he can be defeated they will be more likely to resist.
Why would they want to defeat the man and communist machine that feeds educates and repairs them? Do you think Venesuelans are stupid?:lol:
Chavez is destroying the economy of Venezuelan. While in the short term some may benefit in the long term the country as a whole will suffer. The fallacy of socialism is the economy is a zero sum game. Aside from economics though the Venesuelan's are facing a serious increase in crime and loss of freedom under Chavez.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Has Poverty in Venezuela Fallen or Risen Under President Hugo Chavez?
By Mark Weisbrot
t r u t h o u t | Press Release[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Thursday 25 May 2006[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] An Issue Brief released by the Center for Economic and Policy Research looks at the numbers and concludes:[/FONT][/FONT]
By Mark Weisbrot
t r u t h o u t | Press Release[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Thursday 25 May 2006[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New paper looks at data, corrects misreporting.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Over the past year, the statement that poverty in Venezuela has increased under the government of President Hugo Chávez has appeared in scores of major newspapers, on major television and radio programs, and even journals such as Foreign Affairs and Foreign Policy. These statements have only rarely been contested or corrected. [See Appendix to the paper] for samples of this misreporting on poverty in Venezuela].[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] An Issue Brief released by the Center for Economic and Policy Research looks at the numbers and concludes:[/FONT][/FONT]
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[*]The household poverty rate was thus reduced by nearly 5 percentage points, or 12.9 percent, from 42.8 percent in the first half of 1999 (when President Chavez took office) to 37.9 percent in the second half of 2005. Since the economy has continued to grow rapidly this year (first quarter growth came in at 9.4 percent), the poverty rate is almost certainly significantly lower today.
[*]There is no evidence that the Venezuelan National Institute of Statistics has changed its methodology, so these numbers are directly comparable. The most recent figures are about what would be expected as a result of the rapid economic recovery.
[*]Most of the erroneous reporting on this issue results from using numbers gathered in the first quarter of 2004. These numbers reflect sharp increase in the poverty rate caused by the severe economic downturn of 2002-2003.
[*]Since the preliminary poverty numbers for 2005 were released in September 2005, it is not clear why the out-of-date, early 2004 numbers have continued to be widely used. The early 2004 numbers quickly became out of date because of the rapid growth of the Venezuelan economy in 2004 (17.9 percent) and 2005 (9.4 percent), which pulled millions of people out of poverty.
[*]The reduction in poverty noted above, since 1999, measures only cash income. This, however, does not really capture the changes in the living standards of the poor in Venezuela, since there have been major changes in non-cash benefits and services in the last few years - for example health care is now provided to an estimated 54 percent of the population. The paper looks briefly at the impact of these changes[/FONT][/FONT]
To be fair, all of your comments don't refer to Poverty going down under Chavez, they refer to poverty going down because of an Oil Boom caused by outside influences, and made worse by Chavez mismanagement (ie, the downturn).
It would be like saying Ralph Klein caused the success for the everyday man in Alberta just because the oil boom started when he was in power.
It would be like saying Ralph Klein caused the success for the everyday man in Alberta just because the oil boom started when he was in power.
I agree that Chavez can't take full credit for the decrease in Venezuela's poverty. But during past oil booms, Venezuelan poverty remained high. So oil prices aren't the only factor.
I'd say its a combination of democratic socialism with high oil prices.
s243a: The fallacy of socialism is the economy is a zero sum game
Pure socialism doesn't work because there is no incentive to be productive. Pure capitalism doesn't work because it leads to few wealthy people controlling a poor uneducated majority which is a recipe for revolution.
People must be educated and have their basic needs met before they can achieve their full potential. Welfare, public health, public education, anti-pollution laws... are examples of socialism. The right amount of socialism leads to a more productive, safer and happier society. The wealthy may not be as wealthy, but at least they don't have to worry as much about desperate people willing to knife them for their pocket change...
Canada is a far safer country that the US because our poverty isn't as extreme as theirs.
I'd say its a combination of democratic socialism with high oil prices.
s243a: The fallacy of socialism is the economy is a zero sum game
Pure socialism doesn't work because there is no incentive to be productive. Pure capitalism doesn't work because it leads to few wealthy people controlling a poor uneducated majority which is a recipe for revolution.
People must be educated and have their basic needs met before they can achieve their full potential. Welfare, public health, public education, anti-pollution laws... are examples of socialism. The right amount of socialism leads to a more productive, safer and happier society. The wealthy may not be as wealthy, but at least they don't have to worry as much about desperate people willing to knife them for their pocket change...
Canada is a far safer country that the US because our poverty isn't as extreme as theirs.
One per-cent of the planets population own eighty per-cent of the worlds wealth. Capitalism works. If we got rid of that eighty per-cent of malcontents and do-nothing rabble would it be a happy planet? No, the rich would eat each other.
Hey Kreskin, nice to see yeah too. Forgot to keep coming back after that post.
Any how Chavez being a dictator? Well just as much as Bush is a dictator to the left in the USA. Both Hugo and Bush are polerzing forces which you will either love or hate as long as your a true believer on either side. For most us moderates we dislike these forces in general.
Both of them have been democratically elected, both of them are hawks, both of them believe in limiting some liberties and both of them are not true democrats even though they were elected in the same type of process in which Adolf Hitler originally achieved power.
Any how Chavez being a dictator? Well just as much as Bush is a dictator to the left in the USA. Both Hugo and Bush are polerzing forces which you will either love or hate as long as your a true believer on either side. For most us moderates we dislike these forces in general.
Both of them have been democratically elected, both of them are hawks, both of them believe in limiting some liberties and both of them are not true democrats even though they were elected in the same type of process in which Adolf Hitler originally achieved power.