Chaos as protestors storm BBC ahead of Far Right leader's TV appearance

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Probably not since the huge Poll Tax riots of 1990 against Thatcher's Conservative Government have the British public vented their anger in such a way against a political party.

Tonight, hundreds of anti-fascists have descended on the BBC Television Centre in the (ironically named) White City in west London to protest against tonight's TV appearance of Nick Griffin, the leader of the far right British National Party (BNP). Traffic ground to a halt and BBC employees have been told to remain in the building.

Griffin is appearing on current affairs show Question Time, one of the BBC's longest-running programmes in which a panel, usually consisting of politicians, journalists and celebrities, are grilled by a studio audience made up of members of the public.

Tonight's show is the first time that the leader of the fascist party has appeared on the show, leaving many to condemn the BBC of its decision to allow Griffin to appear.

Public support for the BNP has grown in recent years but is still miniscule. At the 2005 General Election, the party received 0.7% of the popular vote, the eigth largest share. They finished 5th in the 2008 London Mayoral Election, receiving 5.2% of the votes.

But they did do well in this year's EU Elections, winning two seats in the European Parliament. Andrew Brons was elected in the Yorkshire and the Humber regional constituency with 9.8% of the vote. Nick Griffin himself was elected for the North West of England region, with 8% of the vote. The BNP's stronghold in the UK is the North of England, which has a large population of Asians and other ethnic minorities.

Appearing on tonight's show alongside Griffin are Justice Secretary Jack Straw, American-born British author Bonnie Greer, Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne and Conservative shadow cabinet member Sayeeda Warsi.

The BBC has defended its decision to allow Griffin, whose party wishes to throw all non-whites out of Britain, denies the Holocaust and holds anti-Semitic and homophobic views, by saying (quite rightly) that it must be politically impartial.

One of the oldest protesters at today's demonstration was Monty Goldman, 78, whose father Sidney marched against Oswald Mosley's Nazi-supporting Black Shirts in east London in 1936.

He said: 'They wouldn't stand for him if he was in Austria, they would have sent him to prison like the historian David Irving.' (Although maybe the British value free speech more than Continental Europeans)

Question Time is usually broadcast live, but tonight's episode will be recorded, with filming atsrting around 6.30 pm and being shown on BBC1 at 10.35pm.

Nick Griffin: Chaos at BBC as protesters storm Television Centre ahead of BNP leader's Question Time showdown

By Daily Mail Reporter
22nd October 2009
Daily Mail



Police grappled with hundreds of anti-fascist protesters as BNP leader Nick Griffin arrived at BBC Television Centre this evening for his controversial appearance on Question Time.

In chaotic scenes, up to 30 anti-fascist activists broke through police lines and stormed the building ahead of the far-right politician's arrival.

Protesters managed to outwit police despite a huge security operation at the corporation's offices in White City, west London, ahead of the flagship show's broadcast tonight.

Traffic ground to a halt and BBC staff were told to stay inside as hundreds of campaigners demonstrated against Mr Griffin's presence on the Question Time panel.

Police could be seen grappling with protesters behind the gates of the corporation's headquarters as hundreds demonstrated outside.



A female protester screams as she grapples with police as the clashes outside the BBC turn ugly


BNP leader Nick Griffin arrives at the BBC Television Centre surrounded by minders

But just after 5.15pm, Mr Griffin was sneaked into Television Centre via a rear entrance, accompanied by security guards.

Speaking after entering the building, Mr Griffin said of the protesters: 'I was rather expecting that.

'The Labour Party financed groups from all over the country bringing a mob down here today. It was always going to be a fairly big event.'

Members of the Question Time audience were escorted into the building after having their passports checked.

Among them was Frank Langan, 66, from Ealing, west London, who said: 'I'm going to go in and find out what Nick Griffin has got to say.

'I don't have to agree with it but I think it's right that he is allowed on Question Time. I think everybody is entitled to their own opinion, even if you don't like them.'

Campaigners had been outside all day but tempers flared as their numbers swelled and they angrily faced up police blockades.

Then violence erupted during an impromptu march when security guards opened a gate to let a vehicle into the front car park.


Police and demonstrators inside the Stage Door entrance at the BBC's Television Centre in White City


A protester vaults a car park barrier as a group of protesters storm the BBC building


A female protester is dragged along the smooth floor of the BBC by her leg screaming 'shame on you!. Another is pulled with her backpack

Kady Pait, 19, a French student from Leeds, also made it into the building.

He said: 'It was just a peaceful protest and then the police started dragging us off. It was a peaceful protest from us and then the police dragged us to the floor.'

Here are some of Griffin's views:

On the holocaust:

"I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also also once held that the Earth was flat... I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria." (1998 - Statement outside court)

On the election of BNP candidate Derek Beacon:

"the electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate." (1995 - writing in The Rune)

On homosexuality:

"The TV footage of dozens of gay demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures so repulsive." (1999 - writing for Spearhead)

And...

"So, what are we now doing with the British National Party? Well we tried to simplify its message in some ways and to make it a saleable message. So it's not white supremacy or racial civil war or anything like that, which is what we know in fact is going on, and we're not supremacists, we're white survivalists, even that frightens people. Four apple pie words, freedom, security, identity and democracy." (2001 - Speech to the American Friends of the BNP)

Anti-fascists brandished their banners in the face of BNP supporters as they arrived for filming and were chaperoned by officers into the building.

As the debate approached, the protestors started yelling loudly: 'We're black, white, Asian and Jew, BBC shame on you' and 'we won't let Nick Griffin through'.

Senior BBC broadcaster Jeremy Bowen said as he left Television Centre tonight said: 'I think it's fine that people are protesting. It's a legitimate protest. People are making clear their views.

'I think we live in a free society and there's free speech and while it's obviously highly controversial, I personally think it's the right decision to have him on.'

One of the oldest protesters at today's demonstration was Monty Goldman, 78, whose father Sidney marched against Oswald Mosley's Black Shirts in east London in 1936.


Police hold back anti-fascist protesters as they demonstrate outside BBC Television Centre


A red flare is lit as hundred bring traffic to a grinding halt in West London

Mr Goldman, from Hackney, said: 'This party, the BNP, is an absolute disgrace. This man is a Nazi and he is also a Holocaust denier.

'They wouldn't stand for him if he was in Austria, they would have sent him to prison like the historian David Irving.'

Philip McCiowen, 54, from Welwyn Garden City in Hertfordshire, attended today's rally dressed in military fatigues. On his face he wore a mask depicting Mr Griffin's face.

A black toothbrush moustache had been scrawled on to the upper lip.

Mr McCiowen said: 'Hitler started like this and in a small way Nick Griffin is trying to blame the Asians, Muslims and blacks. It's exactly the same as in 1933 and he shouldn't be allowed on television.'

As the demonstration continued, police with cameras started filming the protesters, many of whom waved placards denouncing the war in Iraq.

There were also union members in the crowd, including one waving a banner for the RNT and another with a placard for the union Unite.

At one point a protester let off a red flare as the crowd marched back down towards Television Centre along Wood Lane.

Filming is due to start at 6.30pm and transmission four hours later at 10.35pm.

Around 30 protesters jumped over the barriers and ran towards the building.


BBC staff and police struggle to restrain another anti-facist protester in the television centre's reception


Police block the entrance to the BBC in west London as protesters try to break through the cordon


A police cordon warily watches hundreds of protesters as they gather outside Television Centre

Student Lukas Keudic, 20, was among those who managed to get to the doors of the studio where the debate was due to be held.

He said: 'We were in the main reception next to Piers Morgan when about 30 police officers turned up. There were about 10 to 20 of us and we were just standing there chanting in a peaceful protest.

'We spoke to the police and they started grabbing us. They grabbed one person and we started chanting "Ian Tomlinson" and then they put us into a corner.'

Ian Tomlinson is the man who died during the G20 protests in London earlier this year, for which police were criticised over their heavy-handed tactics.

Frank Langan, 66, had arrived to be in the studio audience and was shepherded through by police.

'I'm going to go in and find out what Nick Griffin has got to say. I don't have to agree with it but I think it's right that he is allowed on Question Time. I think everybody is entitled to their own opinion, even if you don't like them,' he said.

A BBC spokesman said the disruption was dealt with 'promptly' and that the protesters were escorted from the premises.

'A small number of people managed to get into Television Centre.

However, they were identified and are being escorted from the building quickly.'



The BBC is believed to have emergency plans ready to move the show to a secret location if there is any trouble.

Mr Griffin is also unlikely to arrive through the main entrance to avoid inciting any further clashes.

At one stage, the BNP had considered flying him in using a helicopter to avoid any trouble but this was shelved because there is no helipad nearby.

The Unite Against Fascism group hopes its thousands will have joined the protest by tonight.

It spent the morning handing round pamphlets declaring: 'No plugs for Nazi Nick... Keep QT Nazi-free' before taking their positions.

Members of the far-left group Antifa, which has previously clashed with police at demonstrations against the BNP, are also believed to be at today's demonstration.

Mr Griffin riled public anger over his involvement in the flagship show further this morning by thanking the BBC for giving his far-right party unprecedented publicity.

He will appear alongside Justice Secretary Jack Straw, Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne, Conservative shadow cabinet member Sayeeda Warsi, a Muslim, and author Bonnie Greer.

The programme is filmed several hours beforehand and broadcast as if it was live, although sections can be edited out for legal or taste reasons before transmission.

Amid warnings Mr Griffin's involvement could trigger racist attacks, the BBC insisted he would not be allowed to make inflammatory comments.

A spokesman said the show would be run in compliance with the law, implying that any overt racist remarks will be cut.


Also on tonight's Question Time panel: (from left) Justice Secretary Jack Straw, author Bonnie Greer, Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne and Conservative shadow cabinet member Sayeeda Warsi

Outside Television Centre, Weyman Bennett, joint national secretary of Unite Against Fascism, said: 'I don't believe the BNP are going to be taken apart in the debate.

'What they are going to get is a massive hustings for their fascist and racist politics and the price for that will be an increase in the number of racist attacks.'

Elane Heffernan, 47, handed out leaflets declaring 'No Plugs for Nazi Nick' and claimed the BBC had blocked anti-fascists from the studio audience.

'We all applied for tickets but didn't get one. A friend of mine was told she had a ticket but then they rang up and was told she didn't,' she said.

'The anti-racist majority are peaceful people. Whether it turns will be down to whether the police attack protesters.'

Steven Ellis, 26, a librarian, said: 'I am down here because the BNP should not be treated like a normal party.

'They don't respect the rights of others and the BBC should not be inviting them on Question Time.

'A lot of BBC staff agree with us. A lot of people will arrive later to show their opposition to what the BBC are doing.'

Labour MP Andy Slaughter helped the protesters. He said: 'The BBC know they have made a mistake and as usual they have made the wrong judgment call...

'Despite the massive amounts of money they are paid and the tiers of management they don't seem to be able to make the decisions most people would make.

'I think it is just irresponsible. Cutting through the dinner party conversation about freedom of speech, the practical impact it is going to have on Muslim, black and Asian communities is reason enough not to give the BNP a platform.


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AnnaG

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I would have thought they'd welcome the goofy bugger's grilling on tv. I love hearing about pols and other such "higher-ups" getting all squirmy under the lights.
 

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So in order to protect me from hearing an idiot they will act worse than they accuse the bnp of acting. How amusing that the bnp are accused of not respecting the rights of others when the uaf are doing the same. I guess you have to act worse than your enemy so as to protect the stupid public. Self righteous gits, they should be banned as well ....:angryfire::angryfire:
 

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Interesting.

While I certainly take issue with the BNP on a number of points, including its racial prejudice, its excessive isolationism, anti-immigration, etc., I think we tend to either exaggerate or overlook some points. For instance, take a close look at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/BNP_uk_manifesto.pdf

Here is one quote from it with regards to illegal immigrants:

"Those illegal immigrants who truthfully declare their illegal status to the authorities
during the registration period will be able to claim, in the case of skilled and key
workers, extended leave to remain in the United Kingdom as long as they are
benefiting the UK economy and stay as residents until such time as we have had time
to train British personnel to replace them.
During this period we would also strive to provide these regularized illegal key
workers with extra training intended to increase their value to their home countries on
their return.
All other illegal immigrants, including visa over-stayers, casual workers and exstudents
will have one year to register their presence and assets they wish to
liquidate and take with them. Upon registration they will become entitled to free flights
home, and time before they leave to put their affairs here in order, including selling
property and other legally acquired assets so as to be able to take the full value of
their property (less any unpaid taxes and medical bills) with them when they and their
families return home. This voluntary registration policy will last for a year. There will be
no extensions.
Voluntary Registration cases will be dealt with by the Home Office through the Civil
Courts in the event of any disputes arising over asset liquidation."

Now even though I'm very much in favour of more open borders with regards to immigration, etc, even I have a strong sense of law and order, an idea that we ought to obey even those laws we disagree with. On that front, I'd say the BNP is showing itself to be very lenient and understanding here.

Again, I don't agree with its anti-immigrant stance, but again, even there the BNP shows sings of wiling to at least play somewhat fairly here. For example:

"To ensure that we do not become a minority in our own homeland, and that the
native British peoples of our islands retain their culture and identity, we call for an
immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of all bogus
asylum seekers, all criminal entrants and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a
system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants and their descendants
who are legally here are afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic
origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the
countries in question
." (bold text mine)

Clearly the BNP does respect law and order an does intend to honour any citizenship it has granted already and has no intention of rescinding it, those who wish to stay being welcome to, and those who choose to leave will be given voluntary incentives.

I don't necessarily agree with this policy and even find it offensive in that it is a clear indication of the BNP's xenophobia. What I am pointing out though is that in spite of its racial and nationalistic prejudices, it still has a sense of fair play. So while we can certainly disagree with it and criticize it, any such criticism ought to be fair and unbiassed, and no ust puffed up rhetoric.

Now if you read further down, indeed the BNP is explicitly racist, seems to hold extremely flawed views about race, genetics, and behaviour, and seems to oppose 'race-mixing'. But as pointed out above, it sill maintains a sense of fairness about it and is at least willing to acknowledge that those of us who do believe in one human race are at least well intentioned:

"As a result the entire world – or at least every nation of predominantly European
descent – is now in the grip of a set of assumptions and prejudices about race,
culture and integration that, however well-meaning in theory, are increasingly antihuman
and even genocidal in practice."

It's nice to see that while the BNP may perceive my ideas as genocidal, it at least has the decency to not vilify people who hold opinions like mine and to acknowledge that we're not evil, but just well-intentioned ignoramuses.

Also, the BNP's desire to preserve British culture is not so much limited to British culture but to all cultures. So we can say that the BNP is at least fair in that just as it supports the preservation of British indigenous culture, it also supports all indigenous cultures. Here is what we find from the BNP Manifesto (again, I'm not saying I agree with everything in it, but just that it's at least fair enough to apply its principles universally):

"So it should be deeply worrying to anyone who values traditional cultures and the rich
patchwork of human variety to read what Prof. Bill Sutherland, Population Biologist at
the University of East Anglia, has discovered about the status of the 6,800 languages
of the world: Over the last five hundred years, they have been disappearing faster
than species - 4.5% of total number have been lost over the last 500 years,
compared with 1.3% of bird species and 1.9% of mammals.
None of which sounds too drastic. The real problem, however, is from here onwards.
According to Prof. Sutherland at least half of mankind’s 6,800 living languages will be
dead by 2050, and 90% of them will be extinct by 2100. Every one of those
extinctions will mean another group of people who are cut off from their roots and
their ancestors by an unbridgeable chasm. Every single one diminishes the variety
which makes our world such an interesting and wonderful place.
Among those at gravest risk are Welsh, Scots Gaelic and Irish Gaelic. And although
English is one of the 10% of ‘safe’ languages, the fact remains that all the vanishing
tongues should alert us, like so many miners’ canaries, to the existence of an invisible
but deadly poison which threatens every culture and distinct ethnic group in the
world."

It would seem the BNP is respectful of the local indigenous cultures within the UK's own border too:

"We demand the right to be proud of Britain again, and for the English, Scots,
Welsh, Irish and Ulster peoples to be allowed to celebrate their identity and
heritage with as much right as is accorded to other native peoples. We are
entitled to a government that does not show, with everything it says and does,
that it despises our country and urgently wishes to reshape it into something
else."

Then we have its sense of national unity:

"As nationalists we are committed to caring for and nurturing all sections of our
national community. We also oppose the tendency of the other, non-nationalist,
parties to set different sections of the community against each other over problems
for which they themselves as politicians are largely responsible. The creation and
maintenance of an undercurrent of national solidarity is one of the cornerstones of a
true national democracy."

While I find nationalism to be too restrictive, it's still a step up from individualism. In this respect at least, the BNP clearly supports helping all members of its population and encouraging the community to pull together, something even socialists would generally agree with.

If you read further down, the BNP is a stong supporter of developing quality public transport and transport infrastructure:

"Our education system must be reconstructed with the emphasis on
mathematics, science and hands-on experience to prepare the new generation
of engineers and technicians needed to design, build and maintain new breeds
of environmentally friendly, safe and efficient transport."

The BNP also has a sounder basis than many, surprisingly enough, with regards to helping the developing world:

"We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence
and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We also
reject the policy of ‘asset stripping’ the Developing World of its doctors and nurses
due to under investment in the NHS."

On the one hand, don't give it our money, but on the other hand, don't rob it of its human resources. In other words, if we don't steal from them through the brain drain, then they won't need our help to begin with.

On the military front too, though I don't fully agree with it, it does have some good points:

"We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests.
We will not act as the world’s policeman either for the UN, the EU or the US. We will
maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience
to the USA , the ‘international community’, or any other country. We will restore the
county regimental system and also withdraw from the European Union plans for an
European Army. We will invest in creating an integrated defence structure that can
respond to all 21st Century threats."

On the one hand, I am a strong supporter of an international police force, and on this I strongly disagree with the BNP. However, the BNP does have a point that a national military force ought to be reserved for national defense, and not tobe used as the world's police force.
In conclusion, though there is much to criticize about the BNP, let's at least be fair in our criticisms.
 

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