Canadian War Hero Beaten
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On another site though some gal said the Soldier was a loud mouth so it was not all one sided. Two sides to most things but the guy arrested is a penalty box resident on his hockey team. Something like 294 minutes this season so far.
Thats what I figured some drunken a-holes trying to be the big men or man. Left or right has nothing to do with it. I'm way left and have no issues with us being in Afghanistan. I do wish we could get out soon and honourably though.
I don't get it, why is this being talked about as any more tragic than anyone else getting a beating? I mean, that is a horrible thing that happened, don't get me wrong...but would it be LESS tragic if this guy wasn't a soldier? I don't think this was any kind of antiwar protest, I think it was a bunch of dicks who were hopped up on beer in the bar looking to prove they were the toughest by beating on someone declared a soldier. Mind you, this is a pretty one sided article. It just interviews the soldier. Did HE antogonize at all? Is there more to this story that we aren't getting? Not saying that he did...and not saying that he should have been beaten up...but, like I said, it's a pretty one sided arguement here. Anyway, I don't think this had anything to do with political affiliation or beliefs...more to do with dickheads going out to the bar to drink, score and beat someone up.
Well....wow...I agree with you. I don't even care if it is a soldier...it's still a bad deal.
Whne I first saw it I was thinkling it was an aging vet. It is tragic when someone gets jumped by four. BUt attacking a serving member of the forces with all the crap in the world at the moment is dishonourable as well. It's a small point but worth some distinction I think.
It is ALWAYS worse when someone jumps a man that serves his country/community by putting his life in risk.
That is firefighters, police, rescue teams, military, CISA, etc.
A man that serves his nation by putting his life at risk everyday always deserves respect and it to have more attention when they are attacked.
snfu: typical liberal SP propaganda!
That is firefighters, police, rescue teams, military, CISA, etc.
A man that serves his nation by putting his life at risk everyday always deserves respect and it to have more attention when they are attacked.
snfu: typical liberal SP propaganda!
What is SP?
So, you are saying that the life of someone in the military is worth more than the life of someone who is not?
The guy was in a bar...in a bar he's just another guy...and it's tragic whenever it happens to anyone...and, besides, there is still so much we DON'T know about this story...we just have an interview with the guy who was jumped!
And...are you to tell me that even if a person does the worst, horrible, nastiest crap around, as long as he is serving in a uniform, he deserves respect? Uh uh. I have never understood the whole Support Our Soldiers thing. Some soldiers, sure, I support them...but I don't support soldiers who do unethical stuff. So, I'm not going to say Support Our Soldiers.
Anyway, back to the article...a one sided view does not make a good story. I'd like to know what REALLY happened in that bar...or at least some backing to say that what this guy is saying is true.
this kind of thread really gets me thinking about our military......I live insuch a town...80% military...oil and gas the other....the boys in it are really that boys.. what education do they really have???They get some kind of rank or I'm in the military **** and WAM stupid rules..It doesn't take much for them to go off. MPs all over the place when maple flag is going on..Seen to many black eyes for slipping on ice ****......yeah our heros......get some help boys. I know I'll get FUs but its what I see and try to help
Gotta agree with snfu here, doesn't matter WHO it was, it is a bad thing, even if the guy was the loudest mouth in the universe, a savage beating couldn't be justified...
Since there are no fact around this case besides the numbers and the ferocity of the beating, I would usggest it is effectively functioning as some sort of propaganda (see some of the left vs right above)
I don't have to be "proud" of our "mission" in Afghanistan to see that what happened here was not something that belongs in a "civil" society... as a matter of fact, an oft repeated mantra comes to mind "if they just want to kill each other, why not let them"- except that the "they" in this case is "US"
To try and politicize it in any way is stupidity, plain and simple
Since there are no fact around this case besides the numbers and the ferocity of the beating, I would usggest it is effectively functioning as some sort of propaganda (see some of the left vs right above)
I don't have to be "proud" of our "mission" in Afghanistan to see that what happened here was not something that belongs in a "civil" society... as a matter of fact, an oft repeated mantra comes to mind "if they just want to kill each other, why not let them"- except that the "they" in this case is "US"
To try and politicize it in any way is stupidity, plain and simple
To me, it sounds like the guy who initially assaulted the soldier was just a small town redneck. Political leanings had nothing to do with this.
Is that so?
Woodrow Wilson was a democrat who lead the nation into WWI.
Roosevelt was a democrat who lead the nation into WWII.
Kennedy was a democrat who lead the nation into Vietnam and a con took them out.
Clinton lead the U.S. into Bosnia and Somalia.
Jean Cretien lead us into Afghanistan and Paul Martin committed us to a more dangerous mission there.
MacKenzie King lead us into WWII.
You see how wrong you are, the left don't like imperialistic adventures for no reason like the one in Iraq, the war your precious Fox News calls the war on terror while empty headed buffoons still lap up that pile of rotten BS and call those who oppose the conflict unpatriotic like any good storm trooper would do.
The famous quote from someone who knows.....
I couldn't agree more!
But...
Opposition is one thing, assault is another, and smear campaigns against Soldiers by socialist asshats, is quite another.
What socialist asshats are you speaking of?? And what smear campaigns? Is there some smear campaign going on that I've never heard of??
Ahh, right, the National Post trying to vilify a non-extreme right wing party does NOT a "campaign" make- not discounting the veracity of some of the facts behind that story, but it is SO heavily slanted I fell off my chair when I tried to read it 
And I would agree, but the comment was made, no matter what a spin or slant you want to put on it mabudon, it was a smear, period.Ahh, right, the National Post trying to vilify a non-extreme right wing party does NOT a "campaign" make- not discounting the veracity of some of the facts behind that story, but it is SO heavily slanted I fell off my chair when I tried to read it
I only chose that link, because it was the first to pop up whan I googled the comment.
Prove it wasn't said to be a smear against the right, the war and our Troops, because of a leftoid socialist elitist platform?
Leftoid socialist elitist?? What the heck is THAT. Anyway, I find this article challenging. I have been looking for ANYTHING else to back up the statements that open the article, and have not been able to find anything. Part of a convention is to have many ideas expressed. I think there is valid concern for the citizens of Afghanistan. The NDP have stated that in a war where you cannot tell the difference between citizens and fighters that innocent people are too often targeted and killed and this makes the type of war being waged in Afghanistan unacceptable...and for other reasons, and I think that is valid. I do wonder what activities our troops are involved in. Anyway, back to those statements....can they be attributed to the NDP party as a whole, or to select members expressing their personaly beliefs. The article claims it is part of NDP policy, but the only one who seems to have the information on that is some right wing blogger. Again, though, the National Post has a very right wing perspective....of course they are going to attack the NDP. I don't trust much of the Izzy Asper chain of media outlets. They have been none to do many underhanded things in their reporting and editorial work. There is no doubt that the NDP have taken a very antiwar stance, and want troops out of Afghanistan. I think this is good...not because I feel that troops should be pulled, but because it means that in the house of commons there will be a balance of for and against which can bring about positve, helpful debate on the issue. If all parties felt troops should remain in afghanistan, there would be no challenge or representation in the house that represented a good number of Canadians. So, although I do not completely agree with the NDP stance, I do think it is healthy for Canada.
So now I'm just some "right wing blogger". Hell I thought I was entitled to my opinion based on the facts as they stood...
http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/007481.html
Is not the policy, or attempt to install policy based on ones personal beliefs part of that persons agenda?
I had no problems finding 1,140,000 hits when I googled to statement, complete with quotes from the original commentary and submitted policy.
Besides that, this is not the thread for this debate, it has been done before and I have no need to rehash it all over again. The NDP made their position quite clear and tried to smear the Conservatives and by doing so, our Troops as well.
A leftoid socialist elitist, is an asshat that thinks he knows what is best for the collective, as apposed to being a servent of it. Sadly, it is the cornerstone of the NDP and LPoC mind think.