BushCo crimes - lets do the world a favour

[Karlin]

Canada should take the lead and arrest Bush if he steps into Canada again. Same for many of his cronies.

There is now enough evidence. Arar was tortured, and the USA officials were complicit. We have heard Bush suggest in the White House that using harsh information extraction techniques on terrorist suspects is justified. [not exactly the words he used , but like that].
There is the Wilson testimony over WMD too. Lies to go to war are criminal. If we ignore it,if good men do nothing, well Evil will flourish, as the saying goes.

That argument 'for torture' came up in USA media too this week, justifiying torture if it saves lives...So it is part of the culture and the Pres has failed to fix it.

Because the world has already agreed that not torture is justified. Torture doesn't give accurate information, and it means OUR boys will be tortured also.



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shorter URL courtesy of Tiny URL site !![moghrabi too} http://tinyurl.com/create.php
{the suggested process for short URLs didn't work, but how is it done? - : url=, then the web address, then another url, or just the name I want? And than a final [2nd or 3rd] URL?

"And indeed "all of those people" should be charged. It would be a long list.
At the top would be the U.S. officials who, after arresting Arar in New York in September 2002 as a suspected terrorist, chose to send him to Syria to be tortured rather than lay charges"

There is also the idea of arresting Bush on behalf of Americans.
Bush's lies about going to War over fake WMD , and outing Wilson's wife too, are sufficient to bring charges.

The White House Criminal Conspiracy:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051114/delavega

"52 percent of Americans now believe the President deliberately distorted intelligence to make a case for war. In an Ipsos Public Affairs poll, commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org and completed October 9, 50 percent said that if Bush lied about his reasons for going to war Congress should consider impeaching him. The President's deceit is not only an abuse of power; it is a federal crime. Specifically, it is a violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States."

There is also a Toyko World Court that has allready drawn up charges against Bush, and to get arrested he just needs to step into Tokyo or something . Maybe that could be Canada doing the world a favour.[/url]

 

[Karlin]

RE: BushCo crimes - lets

what happened to the format here?
It is so wide... that long URL is doing it ?
Solutions?

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Re: RE: BushCo crimes - lets

what happened to the format here?
It is so wide... that long URL is doing it ?
Solutions?

Try renaming the url, Karlin. Thus:

Whatever you want here

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Bush Crimes Inc.

Bigger Than Watergate

Bush-Cheney Traitors Deserve Prison, Impeachment

By Ted Rall

11/01/05 "ICH " -- -- URBANA, ILLINOIS--To weigh the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame against historical standards, consider that no leader of the Soviet Union--including that master of ruthlessness, Josef Stalin--ever arranged for the name of a KGB operative to appear in a newspaper. Adolf Hitler had countless millions murdered, yet getting at a political enemy by endangering agents of the Sicherheitsdienst, the Nazi intelligence service, didn't cross his mind. In this respect, not even the worst tyrants have stooped to the level of George W. Bush.

Don't let the Republicans distract you. Treasongate isn't just about deposed vice presidential chief of staff Scooter Libby, who has been charged with five felony counts and faces 30 years in prison, or even deputy presidential chief of staff Karl Rove, who may soon be charged as well. The Libby charges clearly point to the real culprit: Dick Cheney, who told Libby about Plame's covert status in the first place. Cheney abused his security clearance to find out. "Libby understood that the vice president had learned this information from the C.I.A.," reads page five of the indictment.

"Cheney doesn't have a legal problem, but he has a political problem," a White House official told the New York Times. For now.

The stink on Karl Rove rubbed off on his boss. When Treasongate first broke in 2003, Bush promised to get to the bottom of the Plame leak and fire everyone involved. Now we know that he is the bottom of the cover-up. "An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair," reported the New York Daily News, which owns the story of this scandal, in an account the White House tacitly confirmed with a meaningful inside-the-Beltway no-comment: silence = truth. "A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President," says the News.

An earlier News report revealed a secret White House Iraq Group (WHIG) that "morphed into a virtual hit squad that took aim at critics who questioned its claims [that Saddam Hussein had nuclear and biochemical weapons]" from late 2002 to mid-2003. WHIG's members included Rove, Libby, and disgraced Times reporter/Bush stenographer Judith Miller.

"In our system," Bush reminded, "each individual is presumed innocent and entitled to due process and a fair trial." Unlike the thousands of people Bush tossed into prison after 9/11--without charges or access to a lawyer--Libby is a rich guy with pale skin. He gets to confront his accusers.

Democrats, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as usual, say they'll settle for an apology. The media is equally accommodating. "The Wilson affair is not Watergate," wrote Todd S. Purdum in the New York Times, a paper known for its desire to be helpful to the Bush White House. He's right. Treasongate is worse.

Much, much worse.

Watergate became the umbrella term for several scandals: "dirty tricks," including money laundering and the burglary of Democratic headquarters, to steal the 1972 election in favor of Richard Nixon; illegal wiretaps and break-ins used to silence and smear anti-Nixon critics like Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers; and the cover-up symbolized by the erasure of 18 crucial minutes from a subpoenaed tape.

Together these crimes painted a portrait of a lawless president with advisers indistinguishable from gangsters. Nixon was a cheat, a thief, a liar and an all-around scuzball, and Congress was right to initiate impeachment against him. But, bad as he was, Nixon didn't jeopardize national security for political revenge.

Treasongate includes many of the essential components of Watergate: smearing opponents of the Iraq war and their loved ones, financial shenanigans and a cover-up. Actually it was a cover-up of a cover-up; they lied about trashing Plame, who they targeted because her husband revealed their lies about Iraqi WMDs. Outing a CIA agent is the rancid cherry on top of a triple-dip blob of corruption. You can bet there's more to come.

Trust us, they ask. We're incompetent, not evil. That's their defense.

"One can believe that the neocons are utterly wrong without also assuming that they are evil," Nicholas Kristof argues in a Times op-ed. But people willing to lie their country into war and stab the people who protect it in the back--if we're to believe them, by not bothering to check Plame's status--are evil.

It's like a case of vehicular homicide: Did Bush and his goons hit Plame on purpose or was it an accident? Either way, I want them off the road.

 

[damngrumpy]

America is going down hill so fast maybe we should just let it fall under the weight of its own corruption.

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Democrats Force Senate Into Iraq Meeting

By LIZ SIDOTI

11/01/05 "AP" -- -- WASHINGTON - Democrats forced the Republican-controlled Senate into an unusual closed session Tuesday, questioning intelligence that President Bush used in the run-up to the war in Iraq and accusing Republicans of ignoring the issue.

"They have repeatedly chosen to protect the Republican administration rather than get to the bottom of what happened and why," Democratic leader Harry Reid said.

Taken by surprise, Republicans derided the move as a political stunt.

"The United States Senate has been hijacked by the Democratic leadership," said Majority Leader Bill Frist. "They have no convictions, they have no principles, they have no ideas," the Republican leader said.

In a speech on the Senate floor, Reid demanded the Senate go into closed session. The public was ordered out of the chamber, the lights were dimmed, and the doors were closed. No vote is required in such circumstances.


Reid's move shone a spotlight on the continuing controversy over intelligence that President Bush cited in the run-up to the war in Iraq. Despite prewar claims, no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, and some Democrats have accused the administration of manipulating the information that was in their possession.

Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was indicted last Friday in an investigation that touched on the war, the leak of the identity of a CIA official married to a critic of the administration's Iraq policy.

"The Libby indictment provides a window into what this is really all about, how this administration manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions," Reid said before invoking Senate rules that led to the closed session.

Libby resigned from his White House post after being indicted on charges of obstruction of justice, making false statements and perjury.

Democrats contend that the unmasking of Valerie Plame was retribution for her husband, Joseph Wilson, publicly challenging the Bush administration's contention that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium from Africa. That claim was part of the White House's justification for going to war.

Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., said Reid was making "some sort of stink about Scooter Libby and the CIA leak."

A former majority leader, Lott said a closed session was appropriate for such overarching matters as impeachment and chemical weapons _ the two topics that last sent the senators into such sessions.

In addition, Lott said, Reid's move violated the Senate's tradition of courtesy and consent. But there was nothing in Senate rules enabling Republicans to thwart Reid's effort.

As Reid spoke, Frist met in the back of the chamber with a half-dozen senior GOP senators, including Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts of Kansas, who bore the brunt of Reid's criticism. Reid said Roberts reneged on a promise to fully investigate whether the administration exaggerated and manipulated intelligence leading up to the war.

edited... :wink:

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

an aside: but have no clue as to why on earth Charles and Camilla would worry about "impressing" the americans. .....as not sure anyone cares what the current america thinks. (IF it even "thinks")If this is the beginning of an implosion.......so be it. Cause and effect....

Just doing their jobs, Ocean Breeze - if you can call shaking hands a job.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

an aside: but have no clue as to why on earth Charles and Camilla would worry about "impressing" the americans. .....as not sure anyone cares what the current america thinks. (IF it even "thinks")If this is the beginning of an implosion.......so be it. Cause and effect....

Just doing their jobs, Ocean Breeze - if you can call shaking hands a job.

I know......(sigh). What a "job"... where does one apply??;-)

(but they are such a cute mid aged couple. .......and I hope they have a nice time. )

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Senate Democrats Force Closed Session on Intelligence (Update1)
Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Democrats forced a closed session of the U.S. Senate today to call for an investigation into the Bush administration's use of intelligence about Iraq, a maneuver Republicans dismissed as a political ``stunt.''

Democratic Minority Leader Harry Reid invoked a rule that requires a closed session on the Senate floor in which the galleries are cleared of visitors. Democrats threatened to use the tactic daily until Republicans convene hearings into the administration's use of intelligence surrounding the war in which more than 2,000 U.S. soldiers have died.

``Be prepared to face this motion every day until you face this reality,'' said Senator Richard Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist called the move ``an affront to the leadership of this grand institution.'' Typically, such sessions over intelligence matters occur only after the leaders in both parties agree, he said.

``The U.S. Senate has been hijacked by the Democratic leaders,'' he said. Reid and Durbin orchestrated a ``pure stunt,'' Frist said.

Reid said the indictment Friday of I. Lewis Libby, vice President Richard Cheney's chief of staff, requires a full investigation that he said was promised by Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts a year and a half ago.

Libby

``The Libby indictment provides a window into what this is really about: how the administration manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions,'' Reid said.

Libby was indicted Friday and accused of lying to a grand jury and to FBI agents investigating who revealed the name of Central Intelligence Agency operative Valerie Plame to reporters in July 2003 after her husband publicly criticized the Iraq war.

Under Senate rules, the special session can be brought to an end by a majority vote. Republicans control the Senate with 55 of 100 votes, and Frist indicated that eventually Republicans will try to vote to end the session and return to debate over a budget-related bill.

Humpty Dumpty?????

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Ocean Breeze]

More CRIMINAL INTENTIONS??

.S. DISCUSSES INVASION OF SAUDI ARABIA


WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The United States has raised the prospect of a military invasion of Saudi Arabia.

The response could include the deployment of three U.S. Army divisions backed by fighter-jets and airborne early-warning and alert aircraft. In all, the U.S.-led mission could include up to 300,000 troops.

The House Armed Services Committee was briefed on the prospect of a Saudi coup and U.S. response during a hearing on Oct. 26. The scenario was outlined by Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow of the Brookings Institution, who cited a Saudi coup as one of several threats to the United States.

"How should the United States respond if a coup, presumably fundamentalist in nature, overthrows the royal family in Saudi Arabia?" O'Hanlon asked. "Such a result would raise the specter of major disruption to the oil economy."

........???? what is this all about??? Are things not messed up enough???

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Is there no limit to the usr INSANITY???

US steps up planning for a Cuba without Castro
Financial Times


Updated: 12:42 a.m. ET Nov. 1, 2005
US planning for Cuba's "transition" after the demise of Fidel Castro has entered a new stage, with a special office for reconstruction inside the US State Department preparing for the "day after", when Washington will try to back a democratic government in Havana.

The inter-agency effort, which also involves the Defense Department, recognises that the Cuba transition may not go peacefully and that the US may have to launch a nation-building exercise.

hmmm. If Castro becomes "ill"......... we can be sure of who was instrumental in arranging this.


So who all is on the FECKING u.s HIT LIST now?? Syria, Iran, Lebenon, Cuba, ??? Venezuela.??? How much destruction must the insane group in washington do........before it's population wakes up??? Seems the USR has become viciously carnivorous. :evil:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Shall we count the USR failures???

Experts Say US is Losing War on Terror
by David Morgan

WASHINGTON - U.S. terrorism experts Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon have reached a stark conclusion about the war on terrorism: the United States is losing.


(Bush) has given them an excellent American target in Iraq but in the process has energized the jihad and given militants the kind of urban warfare experience that will raise the future threat to the United States exponentially.

Steven Simon, a Rand Corp. analyst who teaches at Georgetown University
Despite an early victory over the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, the two former Clinton administration officials say President George W. Bush's policies have created a new haven for terrorism in Iraq that escalates the potential for Islamic violence against Europe and the United States.

America's badly damaged image in the Muslim world could take more than a generation to set right. And Bush's mounting political woes at home have undermined the chance for any bold U.S. initiatives to address the grim social realities that feed Islamic radicalism, they say.

"It's been fairly disastrous," said Benjamin, who worked as a director for counterterrorism at the National Security Council from 1994 to 1999.

"We have had some very important successes getting individual terrorists. But I think the broader story is really quite awful. We have done a lot to fuel the fires, and we have done a lot to encourage people to hate us," he added in an interview.

Benjamin and Simon, a former State Department official who was also at the NSC, are co-authors of a new book titled: "The Next Attack: The Failure of the War on Terror and a Strategy for Getting it Right" (Times Books).

Following on from their 2002 book, "The Age of Sacred Terror" (Random House), Benjamin and Simon list what they call U.S. missteps since the September 11, 2001, attacks on America.

The Bush administration presents the war on terrorism as a difficult but largely successful struggle that has seen the gutting of al Qaeda's pre-September 11 leadership and prevented new attacks in the United States over the past four years.

Bush said last month the United States and its allies had disrupted plans for 10 al Qaeda attacks since September 11, including one against West Coast targets with hijacked planes.

The White House describes Iraq as a central front in the war on terrorism and says the building of democracy there will confound militant aims and help to propel the entire Middle East region toward democracy.

Benjamin and Simon's criticism of the Bush administration in Iraq follows a path similar to those of other critics, including former U.S. national security adviser Brent Scowcroft and former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke.

"We may be attacked by terrorists who receive their training in Iraq, or attacked by terrorists who were inspired, organized and trained by people who were in Iraq," said Simon, a Rand Corp. analyst who teaches at Georgetown University.

"(Bush) has given them an excellent American target in Iraq but in the process has energized the jihad and given militants the kind of urban warfare experience that will raise the future threat to the United States exponentially."

For Benjamin and Simon, the war on terrorism has cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars and failed to counter a deadly global movement responsible for attacks in London, Madrid, Bali, Indonesia, and Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt.

And not even al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, they say, could have dreamed the United States would stumble so badly in the court of Muslim public opinion.

"Everyone says there's a war of ideas out there, and I agree. The sad fact is that we're on the wrong side," said Benjamin, now a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

U.S. fortunes could improve, the authors say, if Washington took a number of politically challenging steps, like bolstering public diplomacy with trade pacts aimed at expanding middle-class influence in countries such as Pakistan.

Washington also needs to do more to ease regional tensions that feed Muslim grievances across the globe, from Thailand and the Philippines to Chechnya and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In a Muslim world of 1.2 billion people, as many as three-in-four hold negative views of the United States.

Because anti-U.S. rhetoric often appeals strongly to impressionable youth, Benjamin and Simon believe many of today's young Muslims will harbor grievances against the United States for the rest of their lives.

The authors believe there is little prospect for fundamental improvement in U.S. policy under Bush "There are resource constraints, there are constraints in the realm of trade, there are political constraints," said Simon.

"These are not the kinds of circumstances that favor bold new policies that require spending political capital that it turns out the White House just doesn't have," he added

..............and CRIMES???

 

[Ocean Breeze]

The White House Criminal Conspiracy
Elizabeth de la Vega


Legally, there are no significant differences between the investor fraud perpetrated by Enron CEO Ken Lay and the prewar intelligence fraud perpetrated by George W. Bush. Both involved persons in authority who used half-truths and recklessly false statements to manipulate people who trusted them. There is, however, a practical difference: The presidential fraud is wider in scope and far graver in its consequences than the Enron fraud. Yet thus far the public seems paralyzed.

In response to the outcry raised by Enron and other scandals, Congress passed the Corporate Corruption Bill, which President Bush signed on July 30, 2002, amid great fanfare. Bush declared that he was signing the bill because of his strong belief that corporate officers must be straightforward and honest. If they were not, he said, they would be held accountable.

Ironically, the day Bush signed the Corporate Corruption Bill, he and his aides were enmeshed in an orchestrated campaign to trick the country into taking the biggest risk imaginable--a war. Indeed, plans to attack Iraq were already in motion. In June Bush announced his "new" pre-emptive strike strategy. On July 23, 2002, the head of British intelligence advised Prime Minister Tony Blair, in the then-secret Downing Street Memo, that "military action was now seen as inevitable" and that "intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." Bush had also authorized the transfer of $700 million from Afghanistan war funds to prepare for an invasion of Iraq. Yet all the while, with the sincerity of Marc Antony protesting that "Brutus is an honorable man," Bush insisted he wanted peace.





Americans may have been unaware of this deceit then, but they have since learned the truth. According to a Washington Post/ABC News poll conducted in June, 52 percent of Americans now believe the President deliberately distorted intelligence to make a case for war. In an Ipsos Public Affairs poll, commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org and completed October 9, 50 percent said that if Bush lied about his reasons for going to war Congress should consider impeaching him. The President's deceit is not only an abuse of power; it is a federal crime. Specifically, it is a violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States.

So what do citizens do? First, they must insist that the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence complete Phase II of its investigation, which was to be an analysis of whether the Administration manipulated or misrepresented prewar intelligence. The focus of Phase II was to determine whether the Administration misrepresented the information it received about Iraq from intelligence agencies. Second, we need to convince Congress to demand that the Justice Department appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Administration's deceptions about the war, using the same mechanism that led to the appointment of Patrick Fitzgerald to investigate the outing of Valerie Plame. (As it happens, Congressman Jerrold Nadler and others have recently written to Acting Deputy Attorney General Robert McCallum Jr. pointing out that the Plame leak is just the "tip of the iceberg" and asking that Fitzgerald's authority be expanded to include an investigation into whether the White House conspired to mislead the country into war. )

Third, we can no longer shrink from the prospect of impeachment. Impeachment would require, as John Bonifaz, constitutional attorney, author of Warrior-King: The Case for Impeaching George Bush and co-founder of AfterDowningStreet.org, has explained, that the House pass a "resolution of inquiry or impeachment calling on the Judiciary Committee to launch an investigation into whether grounds exist for the House to exercise its constitutional power to impeach George W. Bush." If the committee found such grounds, it would draft articles of impeachment and submit them to the full House for a vote. If those articles passed, the President would be tried by the Senate. Resolutions of inquiry, such as already have been introduced by Representatives Barbara Lee and Dennis Kucinich demanding that the Administration produce key information about its decision-making, could also lead to impeachment.

These three actions can be called for simultaneously. Obviously we face a GOP-dominated House and Senate, but the same outrage that led the public to demand action against corporate law-breakers should be harnessed behind an outcry against government law-breakers. As we now know, it was not a failure of intelligence that led us to war. It was a deliberate distortion of intelligence by the Bush Administration. But it is a failure of courage, on the part of Congress (with notable exceptions) and the mainstream media, that seems to have left us helpless to address this crime. Speaking as a former federal prosecutor, I offer the following legal analysis to encourage people to press their representatives to act.

 

[Karlin]

an aside: but have no clue as to why on earth Charles and Camilla would worry about "impressing" the americans. .....as not sure anyone cares what the current america thinks. (IF it even "thinks")If this is the beginning of an implosion.......so be it. Cause and effect....

'

DUH!!!!!
Charles and Cammy get in the thread about arresting Bush whenever he steps into Canada. This is distraction tactic. Sometimes ordinary people end up doing the work of the Elites... by inserting their skinny penile distraction into the sweet tunnel of a pointed discussion.

That Cammy comment, and the format [ya I tried renaming it,nada... I remember now there is some way to do it when you first post it] make me want to drop this thread and try again...

I know, okay okay - Bush will never be arrested here in Canada anyhow... I get silly notions sometimes...
{ because we can't seem to have a serious discussion about it?


Karlin

 

[Jo Canadian]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Bushs Next plan :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

How America Became a Pariah

The indictment of "Scooter" Libby moved me to reflect on the changes in the nation and myself over the four years since the horrific events of 9/11. Like most Americans I was devastated and angered by the attack and wanted revenge against all those responsible for the atrocity. Although I didn't vote for him I applauded my president's leadership in identifying and pursuing Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan. I felt a rush of patriotic fervor and joined millions of my countrymen in proudly raising the flag at my house every morning.

Almost a year later in the summer of 2002 Bush and his spokespersons began a campaign to drum up support for a preemptive attack against Iraq, a country having no connection to the 9/11 attack. The saber rattling rhetoric culminated in the State of the Union address of January 2003 when Bush dropped the 16-word bomb concerning Iraq's supposed acquisition of uranium from Africa. We would later learn from Joseph Wilson that this was a monstrous lie and Bush knew it. Sensing that war was looming, millions of people around the world demonstrated and pleaded for the president to let the U.N. inspectors complete their search for weapons that until that time had not been found.

On March 19, 2003, defying world opinion and in flagrant violation of international law, George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States of America, launched an unprovoked war of aggression against Iraq ... I suspended the daily raising of my flag.

Before the Bush presidency, America was internationally admired and thought of as a peace loving nation. Bush used the events of 9/11 to transform us into a feared and despised war-mongering empire. The American media have served as Bush's stenographers in this metamorphosis rather than journalists documenting the treachery.

Bush has never explained (nor will he) the reasons why he wanted to make war against Iraq. He has instead offered lies and mindless slogans, e.g. "they hate our freedom." "Scooter" Libby's indictment should be a wake-up call for the media; they have the responsibility to expose the squalid facts concerning Bush's illegal and immoral war.

Thomas Jefferson said, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." I'm hopeful that America will soon reject Bush's imperial crusade and return to its historic place as the admired leader of the peace-loving peoples of the world; to not do so is to persist as an international pariah.

 

[EagleSmack]

Canada arrest the President of the US!

Oh please. Stop being so foolish.

 

[peapod]

Why not? He is viewed by most of the world as a war criminal. He also invaded another country for its natural resources.