BO's Top 10 Lies in The Final Presidential Debate

[PoliticalNick]

- However, the GOP website has now helpfully posted the following Obama lies from last night's debate. You'll recognize four of the ten I listed plus six new ones for a total of 16 BO nose stretchers (and nose holders) from his usual BS tour de force of last night.

Your failure to notice that a partisan website would only post pro-Romney/anti-Obama rhetoric is further proof of your earlier lobotomy and lack of conscious thought patterns.

THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed That The Sequester Was Not Something That He Proposed. OBAMA: “First of all, the sequester is not something I proposed, it’s something that Congress proposed. It will not happen.” (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: “In Fact, The Idea May Have Come In Part From Obama’s Current Chief Of Staff, Jack Lew.” “In fact, the idea may have come in part from Obama’s current chief of staff, Jack Lew. The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward reported in his book ‘The Price of Politics’ that Lew, then-Office of Management and Budget director, and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors broached the idea of a defense sequester as a threat to Republicans during negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.” (Josh Gerstein and Darren Samuelsohn, “Fact-Checking The Third Presidential Debate,” Politico, 10/22/12)

When did Jack Lew become Barrak Obama?

LIE #3: OBAMA MISCHARACTERIZED HIS POSITION ON CHINA

THE CLAIM: “President Barack Obama Called China An ‘Adversary’ Of The United States For The First Time During Tonight’s Debate, Changing His Own Administration’s Messaging On The U.S.-China Relationship And Contradicting His Own Secretary Of State.” “President Barack Obama called China an ‘adversary’ of the United States for the first time during tonight’s debate, changing his own administration’s messaging on the U.S.-China relationship and contradicting his own secretary of state. ‘China is both an adversary, but also a potential partner,’ Obama said during the debate. ‘China is doesn’t have to be an adversary,’ Romney responded.” (Josh Rogin, “Obama Contradicts Clinton, Calls China An ‘Adversary,’” Foreign Policy‘s The Cable, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: “Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton Appears To Agree With Romney, Not Her Boss. She’s Said On Several Occasions That China Is Not An Adversary And Doesn’t Have To Become One.” “Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appears to agree with Romney, not her boss. She’s said on several occasions that China is not an adversary and doesn’t have to become one. ‘Now, some believe that China on the rise is, by definition, an adversary. To the contrary, we believe that the United States and China can benefit from and contribute to each other’s successes,’ Clinton said in one her first speeches in office in 2009.” (Josh Rogin, “Obama Contradicts Clinton, Calls China An ‘Adversary,’” Foreign Policy‘s The Cable, 10/22/12)

China is an adversary on the global marketplace.

LIE #4: OBAMA MISREPRESENTED ROMNEY’S RECORD ON THE AUTO BAILOUT

THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed That Romney Would Not “Provide Government Assistance To The U.S. Auto Industry.” OBAMA: “You were very clear that you would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies even if they went through bankruptcy. You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn’t true. They would have gone through.” (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: “Romney Is Correct In That He Called For A ‘Managed Bankruptcy.’” “Although ‘bankrupt’ often conjures up images of liquidation, Romney is correct in that he called for a ‘managed bankruptcy.’ This is a process in which the company uses the bankruptcy code to discharge its debts, but emerges from the process a leaner, less leveraged company. Ultimately, along with getting nearly $80 billion in loans and other assistance from the Bush and Obama administrations, GM and Chrysler did go through a managed bankruptcy.” (Glenn Kessler, “Fact Check: The Auto Industry Bailout,” The Washington Post, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: Time’s Michael Scherer: “Obama is wrong. Romney supported guarantees in bankruptcy. ‘The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing’” (Michael Scherer, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: Romney Argued “The Federal Government Should Provide Guarantees For Post-Bankruptcy Financing And Assure Car Buyers That Their Warranties Are Not At Risk. So At Least On That Point, Again, Romney Seems To Have Had The Record Straight.” FOX NEWS’ CHRIS WALLACE: “Finally, very briefly on the auto bailout, in an editorial that Romney wrote in November of 2008, which had the headline he didn’t write it, let Detroit go bankrupt. He did argue for bankruptcy, a managed bankruptcy but at the end he said: the federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk. So at least on that point, again, Romney seems to have had the record straight.” (Fox News, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: FactCheck.org: “Obama says Romney wouldn’t have provide any gov’t assistance for automakers. But Romney did propose loan guarantees.” (FactCheck.org, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: CNBC’s Scott Cohn: “Mitt Romney Did Not Write In That 2008 Op-Ed That He Wanted To Liquidate The Auto Industry. He Did Say He Wanted It Restructured Through Bankruptcy.” CNBC’s SCOTT COHN: “Well, Mitt Romney did not write in that 2008 op-ed that he wanted to liquidate the auto industry. He did say he wanted it restructured through bankruptcy with government guarantees after bankruptcy. That is a key difference from what happened, with the government providing financing for bankruptcy.” (CNBC, 10/22/12)

The whole idea being discussed here is odious to me. If a company goes bankrupt then they go bankrupt. This idea of letting them discharge debt for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all and come out the other side profitable and smelling like roses is utter BS. That should be where the debate lies not in how much taxpayer money they should get to accomplish the dirty deed.

LIE #5: OBAMA CLAIMED IT COST LESS TO LIBERATE LIBYA THAN AMOUNT SPENT FOR TWO WEEKS IN IRAQ

THE CLAIM: Obama: It Cost Less To Liberate Libya Than What The U.S. Spent In Two Weeks In Iraq. OBAMA: “We were able to, without putting troops on the ground, at the cost of less than what we spent in two weeks in Iraq, liberate a country that had been under the yoke of dictatorship for 40 years. Got rid of a despot who had killed Americans.” (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: CNN’s John Berman: “Our Verdict Here Is False On The Math.” BERMAN: “So, what are the facts here? The total cost for the first five years of the war in Iraq was 646 Billion. Which breaks down to about 700 Million for two weeks which is less than the 896 million the U.S. spent on military intervention in Libya. Our verdict here is false on the math. Obama was right that Libya is cheap compared to Iraq overall, but he exaggerated by about 200 million dollars when he compared it to two weeks in Iraq.” (CNN, 10/22/12)

He may not have been quite right on the actual numbers but the point of cost comparison is still there and the ludicrous amount spent on an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation is real.

LIE #6: OBAMA CLAIMED ROMNEY’S JOBS PLAN WOULD CREAT JOBS OVERSEAS

THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed Gov. Romney’s Plan Will Create 800,000 Jobs Overseas. OBAMA: “If we take your advice with respect to how we change our tax codes so that companies that are in profits overseas don’t pay U.S. taxes compared to companies here that are paying taxes, now, that’s estimated to create 800,000 jobs. The problem is they won’t be here; they’ll be in places like China.” (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: FactCheck.org: “Obama says Romney’s plan would create 800 k jobs overseas. But study says foreign jobs could grow without costing US jobs…” (FactCheck.org, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)

Any policy that allows corporations to benefit in the north American marketplace without paying their share of taxes is a bogus policy. Giving them incentives to operate overseas while reaping benefits from the US shows where Romney's loyalties lie and it is not with the US citizens.

LIE #7: OBAMA CLAIMED ROMNEY SAID RUSSIA WAS AMERICA’S GREATEST GEOPOLITICAL THREAT

THE CLAIM: Obama Claimed Gov. Romney Has Said That Russia Was The U.S.’ Greatest Geopolitical Threat. OBAMA: “Governor Romney, I’m glad that you recognize that al-Qaida’s a threat because a few months ago when you were asked, what’s the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia — not al-Qaida, you said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: “Romney Has Never Called Russia The No. 1 ‘Enemy’ Or ‘Threat’ To The United States, Despite Obama’s Claims On Multiple Occasions, Including Monday’s Debate.” (Josh Gerstein and Darren Samuelsohn, “Fact-Checking The Third Presidential Debate,” Politico, 10/22/12)

That's funny because I could swear I heard about this gaff from Mittens a few time a while back.

LIE #10: OBAMA CLAIMED THE MILITARY DOESN’T USE BAYONETS

THE CLAIM: Obama: “Governor, We Also Have Fewer Horses And Bayonets Because The Nature Of Our Military Has Changed.” OBAMA: “I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916 well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military has changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have the ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.” (President Barack Obama, 2012 Presidential Debate, Lynn University, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)
THE FACTS: Fox News’ Chris Wallace: “The Marines Still Use Bayonets, So It May Not Be Clear Who Doesn’t Understand What The Military Currently Uses.” FOX NEWS’ CHRIS WALLACE: “Well, as it turns out, in the middle of the debate, after he heard this, a marine tweeted Fox News and said: the Marines still use bayonets, so it may not be clear who doesn’t understand what the Military currently uses.” (Fox News, 10/22/12)

Waaayy tooo funny! Are we expected to believe the marines are out there in the desert marching in a tight phalanx and bayoneting the enemy? Really? This doesn't even pass the giggle test. Sure the bayonets are around and affixed for parades and ceremonies and are still issued as a standard part of equipment but you find me a soldier that has put one on in combat in the last 40 years and I will give you $10.

 

[DaSleeper]

If not, just do us a favor and reduce the paragraph clubbing to death of CC will ya. Would hate to go all Nazi-Mod and arbitrarily edit out this or that.

Thanks in advance.



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Gosh Locutus.....It's fun to watch the same people get sucked in the 'do si do' with him...:smile:

Same with the religious nutters.....you get the same godless condescending atheists square dancing with them :lol:

For those of us who like to "sandybag"....it's cheap entertainment........;-)

 

[In Between Man]

Great job Teddy!

 

[TeddyBallgame]

Great job Teddy!

- IBM ... Thanks much! It is tons of fun to get the lunatic left wing fringe frothing at the mouth as they discover that their misinformation campaign panning Romney and praising Obama is torn to shreds and the only thing they can do about it is to hurl some juvenile insult at me.

- Reminds me of the time when I was 14 and my parents dragged me to a political meeting starring the new prime minister of the day, John Diefenbaker, with whom my uncle had served in parliament and for whom my mother later worked on the Hill. As The Chief was really letting fly with some very telling expose of some Liberal scandal from the previous government a member of the audience yelled out "Give em hell, John." Dief stopped his oration and said, "I don't give em hell, I just tell the truth but it sounds like hell to the Liberals."

- Same deal here, methinks.

 

[SLM]

Gosh Locutus.....It's fun to watch the same people get sucked in the 'do si do' with him...:smile:

Same with the religious nutters.....you get the same godless condescending atheists square dancing with them :lol:

For those of us who like to "sandybag"....it's cheap entertainment........;-)

Yeah but he uses up a lot of space though. I figure, he's just not efficient enough and also thinks way too highly of himself. It's probably good that someone does though.

 

[karrie]

And yet from what I've seen so far, Romney agreed with a lot of it.

The Muslim must have mesmerized him.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Anybody notice that Romney thinks Iran is landlocked and has access to the sea through Syria? Pretty lame for the leader of a country with major military assets deployed in the Persian Gulf and has launched two wars from there...

 

[In Between Man]

- IBM ... Thanks much! It is tons of fun to get the lunatic left wing fringe frothing at the mouth as they discover that their misinformation campaign panning Romney and praising Obama is torn to shreds and the only thing they can do about it is to hurl some juvenile insult at me.

- Reminds me of the time when I was 14 and my parents dragged me to a political meeting starring the new prime minister of the day, John Diefenbaker, with whom my uncle had served in parliament and for whom my mother later worked on the Hill. As The Chief was really letting fly with some very telling expose of some Liberal scandal from the previous government a member of the audience yelled out "Give em hell, John." Dief stopped his oration and said, "I don't give em hell, I just tell the truth but it sounds like hell to the Liberals."

- Same deal here, methinks.

Absolutely my friend! They refuse to face the fact the Obama is a bold faced liar, and an anti-American petty-dictator. They love him and his lies because they're anti-American themselves, and that's why their only resort is too fling insults to those that expose Obama, and waste their time with pointless jokes, songs, and "memes" about Romney. They got nothing.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Anybody notice that Romney thinks Iran is landlocked and has access to the sea through Syria? Pretty lame for the leader of a country with major military assets deployed in the Persian Gulf and has launched two wars from there...

I can forgive him for that. A victim of the US education system that teaches them nothing about the rest of the world and even less about America. 8O

 

[Colpy]

Your failure to notice that a partisan website would only post pro-Romney/anti-Obama rhetoric is further proof of your earlier lobotomy and lack of conscious thought patterns.


When did Jack Lew become Barrak Obama?


China is an adversary on the global marketplace.


The whole idea being discussed here is odious to me. If a company goes bankrupt then they go bankrupt. This idea of letting them discharge debt for pennies on the dollar or nothing at all and come out the other side profitable and smelling like roses is utter BS. That should be where the debate lies not in how much taxpayer money they should get to accomplish the dirty deed.


He may not have been quite right on the actual numbers but the point of cost comparison is still there and the ludicrous amount spent on an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation is real.


Any policy that allows corporations to benefit in the north American marketplace without paying their share of taxes is a bogus policy. Giving them incentives to operate overseas while reaping benefits from the US shows where Romney's loyalties lie and it is not with the US citizens.


That's funny because I could swear I heard about this gaff from Mittens a few time a while back.


Waaayy tooo funny! Are we expected to believe the marines are out there in the desert marching in a tight phalanx and bayoneting the enemy? Really? This doesn't even pass the giggle test. Sure the bayonets are around and affixed for parades and ceremonies and are still issued as a standard part of equipment but you find me a soldier that has put one on in combat in the last 40 years and I will give you $10.

I have read a considerable number of first-hand accounts of combat in the last half of the twentieth century. One of the things that surprised me most is the amount of killing done with edged weapons..........you are wrong on this one, Nick.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Absolutely my friend! They refuse to face the fact the Obama is a bold faced liar, and an anti-American petty-dictator. They love him and his lies because they're anti-American themselves, and that's why their only resort is too fling insults to those that expose Obama, and waste their time with pointless jokes, songs, and "memes" about Romney. They got nothing.

Whoa there! Did you read the OP? Did you notice where TeddyBallsack called everyone morons? Did you notice how he had nothing but derisive comments regarding anyone who might have a different opinion or view of the world? Are you just a blind partisan believer of all things conservative or can you actually create your own thought processes?

You see where you and Ballsack have your heads up Romney's arse I don't bow to either candidate or party. There is good and bad in both as is the way of the world and I am capable of recognizing that. Are you?

- IBM ... Thanks much! It is tons of fun to get the lunatic left wing fringe frothing at the mouth as they discover that their misinformation campaign panning Romney and praising Obama is torn to shreds and the only thing they can do about it is to hurl some juvenile insult at me.

I only hurled insults back at a lunatic right-wing radical who insulted me first.

- Reminds me of the time when I was 14 and my parents dragged me to a political meeting starring the new prime minister of the day, John Diefenbaker, with whom my uncle had served in parliament and for whom my mother later worked on the Hill. As The Chief was really letting fly with some very telling expose of some Liberal scandal from the previous government a member of the audience yelled out "Give em hell, John." Dief stopped his oration and said, "I don't give em hell, I just tell the truth but it sounds like hell to the Liberals."

Family ties to Diefenbaker? That explains a lot about your lack of cognitive thought and character.

- Same deal here, methinks.

But you don't think, you just repeat the republican campaign's talking points and attack ads. If you actually had an original thought it would be very lonely one.

I have read a considerable number of first-hand accounts of combat in the last half of the twentieth century. One of the things that surprised me most is the amount of killing done with edged weapons..........you are wrong on this one, Nick.

Where do all these accounts come from and are they credible? Are we talking places like Rwanda and Congo or conflicts between more advanced nations?

There was a lot of close-quarter stuff in Vietnam I know but I don't think there was much in Iraq 1, Afghanistan or Iraq 2. We are in an era of smart-bombs and high-powered rifles, not horses and swords.

 

[DaSleeper]

Anybody notice that Romney thinks Iran is landlocked and has access to the sea through Syria? Pretty lame for the leader of a country with major military assets deployed in the Persian Gulf and has launched two wars from there...

I think Obama has him beat with this....

Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States - YouTube

 

[JLM]

I think Obama has him beat with this....

Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States - YouTube

He probably did if he's including 7 in Mexico!

 

[DaSleeper]

He probably did if he's including 7 in Mexico!

Mexico in the United states??? you musta gone to the same school of geography as Obama......

 

[JLM]

Mexico in the United states??? you musta gone to the same school of geography as Obama......

Just said "states", didn't mention any country! :smile:

 

[TeddyBallgame]

Mexico in the United states??? you musta gone to the same school of geography as Obama......

- DS ... Obama has actually made much stupider gaffes than Bush and much more often by the liberal MSM's vow of silence where BO's blunders are concerned means that hardly anybody gets to hear about them. To me, the 57 states thing is unbelievably stupid for someone running for president. Others, just for example, include in 2008 his reference to the president of Canada and to Burlington as a city in the province of Toronto as well as his revelation that he didn't speak Austrian. In 2009, he was visiting Ottawa and during his remarks he referred to it as Omaha. I have a list of others but it would not be worth the time to post them here since the morons pitching for BO wouldn't believe them and wouldn't care if they were true.

 

[PoliticalNick]

- DS ... Obama has actually made much stupider gaffes than Bush and much more often by the liberal MSM's vow of silence where BO's blunders are concerned means that hardly anybody gets to hear about them. To me, the 57 states thing is unbelievably stupid for someone running for president. Others, just for example, include in 2008 his reference to the president of Canada and to Burlington as a city in the province of Toronto as well as his revelation that he didn't speak Austrian. In 2009, he was visiting Ottawa and during his remarks he referred to it as Omaha. I have a list of others but it would not be worth the time to post them here since the morons pitching for BO wouldn't believe them and wouldn't care if they were true.

Now those are funny! I'd love to see the rest of your list. I remember Bush responding seriously to a joke question from Rick Mercer about Prime Minister Poutine. Unfortunately all politicians are prone to 'vocal errors', they get so many questions and speak so much on so many different topics it is bound to happen.

 

[DaSleeper]

Just said "states", didn't mention any country! :smile:

You seem to like to dance like Cannuck and I will reply just this once.... then ignore you like Jimbo when he starts dancing and you can have the last word...
What part of "We've travelled to every corner of "The United States" didn't you hear?????

 

[Just the Facts]

Pretty lame for the leader of a country with major military assets deployed in the Persian Gulf

Not to mention throughout the 57 states!

 

[JLM]

- DS ... Obama has actually made much stupider gaffes than Bush and much more often by the liberal MSM's vow of silence where BO's blunders are concerned means that hardly anybody gets to hear about them. To me, the 57 states thing is unbelievably stupid for someone running for president. Others, just for example, include in 2008 his reference to the president of Canada and to Burlington as a city in the province of Toronto as well as his revelation that he didn't speak Austrian. In 2009, he was visiting Ottawa and during his remarks he referred to it as Omaha. I have a list of others but it would not be worth the time to post them here since the morons pitching for BO wouldn't believe them and wouldn't care if they were true.

ACTUALLY, just a little less stupid than you making a big deal of it. Maybe he meant to say 57 jurisdictions which would be close if you include such areas as D.C., Puerto Rico, Guam etc. Maybe his wife burned the toast that day!

You seem to like to dance like Cannuck and I will reply just this once.... then ignore you like Jimbo when he starts dancing and you can have the last word...
What part of "We've travelled to every corner of "The United States" didn't you hear?????

I was always under the impression you were one of the more sensible posters on here, but I guess eventually everyone's "true colours" come through! :roll:

What part of "We've travelled to every corner of "The United States" didn't you hear?????

I was referring to a post, not what he said years ago. So he misspoke, so what? We all do!