Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
Perhaps it's pre-mature, but I doubt its anyone else in Egypt doing this.
moghrabi said:
Perhaps it's pre-mature, but I doubt its anyone else in Egypt doing this.
Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
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effects rippling through the tourist industry. Holidayers leaving in droves.
effects rippling through the tourist industry. Holidayers leaving in droves.
Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
hi mog: according to a recent documentary , they now have a new generation of terrorists, a multitude of subgroups, many of which are not even directly connected with each other. They are no longer operating with one or a select few as "central control". Most are operating independantly. Bush's action in Iraq not only promoted more rage and furthering their incentive, but also provided them with new territory as a "training ground". The Iraq invasion has unleashed a chain of events that are snowballing . They (terror groups, who ever and whatever flavor) have time and surprise as their advantage. The reality is that not only did bush foster what he claims to be "fighting", but he has lost control of the situation. (not that he ever had it) He mishandled the terror issue from the onset. by REACTING offensively with WAR...(S) and compounded the problem multiple fold. Terrorist groups will always be one step ahead of bush and his "war on terror". By not facing up to the REAL cause (forget the "they hate our freedoms crap) , he has blindly created a world of tension and fear.
the only "freedom" they apparently despise is the "freedom"/liberty the US takes in meddling where it does not belong, taking sides, and then doing the turncoat thing.--( a simplistic version of the US "foreign policy" Plus the fact that the US operates as if international laws do not apply to them ) ...and it goes on. the anger at the US has been building for some time and it has nothing to do with "jealousy" of the US. Only the simple minded would buy into that.
moghrabi said:
hi mog: according to a recent documentary , they now have a new generation of terrorists, a multitude of subgroups, many of which are not even directly connected with each other. They are no longer operating with one or a select few as "central control". Most are operating independantly. Bush's action in Iraq not only promoted more rage and furthering their incentive, but also provided them with new territory as a "training ground". The Iraq invasion has unleashed a chain of events that are snowballing . They (terror groups, who ever and whatever flavor) have time and surprise as their advantage. The reality is that not only did bush foster what he claims to be "fighting", but he has lost control of the situation. (not that he ever had it) He mishandled the terror issue from the onset. by REACTING offensively with WAR...(S) and compounded the problem multiple fold. Terrorist groups will always be one step ahead of bush and his "war on terror". By not facing up to the REAL cause (forget the "they hate our freedoms crap) , he has blindly created a world of tension and fear.
the only "freedom" they apparently despise is the "freedom"/liberty the US takes in meddling where it does not belong, taking sides, and then doing the turncoat thing.--( a simplistic version of the US "foreign policy" Plus the fact that the US operates as if international laws do not apply to them ) ...and it goes on. the anger at the US has been building for some time and it has nothing to do with "jealousy" of the US. Only the simple minded would buy into that.
Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
When they talk about the terrorists hating our freedoms, they don't mean out of jealousy, but out of conviction. Hating our freedoms means they hate our lifestyle. We live in sin. They see our women as whores because they don't wear burqa and go out of the house without a male relative escort. They believe homosexuals should be thrown headfirst off of a building, not given equal rights including marriage. We drink, we overeat, we party, we just generally indulge ourselves. That's what is meant by "they hate our freedoms". That's why they call America the Great Satan - they see us as having fallen to temptation.
Don't mistake that for jealousy. They want to destroy us, not be like us.
Ocean Breeze said:
When they talk about the terrorists hating our freedoms, they don't mean out of jealousy, but out of conviction. Hating our freedoms means they hate our lifestyle. We live in sin. They see our women as whores because they don't wear burqa and go out of the house without a male relative escort. They believe homosexuals should be thrown headfirst off of a building, not given equal rights including marriage. We drink, we overeat, we party, we just generally indulge ourselves. That's what is meant by "they hate our freedoms". That's why they call America the Great Satan - they see us as having fallen to temptation.
Don't mistake that for jealousy. They want to destroy us, not be like us.
Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
in a fanatical way of thinking..... Assuming this is accurate and without doubt......it makes a bizarre kind of sense.
Just the Facts said:
in a fanatical way of thinking..... Assuming this is accurate and without doubt......it makes a bizarre kind of sense.
Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
And if this is true, what is there to like anyways? Is having your women as whores (which is not true) something to like? When you drink and over drink and get drunk and get high and lose your house to gambling, what is the achievement that others must follow? what is there to be proud of?
I think that hate has nothing to do with freedoms at all. If these terrorists want to be like you, they can easily be. They hate your interference with their culture and how you want to change it to become as you explained it above. The west did this with the Communists, Socialist, Muslims, and everyone who has different approach to life.
Ocean Breeze said:
And if this is true, what is there to like anyways? Is having your women as whores (which is not true) something to like? When you drink and over drink and get drunk and get high and lose your house to gambling, what is the achievement that others must follow? what is there to be proud of?
I think that hate has nothing to do with freedoms at all. If these terrorists want to be like you, they can easily be. They hate your interference with their culture and how you want to change it to become as you explained it above. The west did this with the Communists, Socialist, Muslims, and everyone who has different approach to life.
Don't waste your time with JTF Mog .He dosen't care about anything but his opinion he's told me as much 
F ck him waste of good air :wink:
F ck him waste of good air :wink:
agree. The anger has been building up for some time. And it goes a lot deeper than something superficial (or a catch phrase that many have glommed on to because the bushman said it) like "they hate our freedoms"
Many of these nations have been treated like crap by the US. Maybe what these terrorists represent is a new form of revolt. Terrorism against the west.......primarily against the US has been going on long before 9-11 , and has been building in crescendo. This will not pass quickly , and nor will it change , no matter how many wars the bush cabal starts Under the guise of "war against terrorism" Bush wanted WAR , he now has one. He may have started something that will last for a very long time with repercussions yet to be defined./realized.
it is becoming systemic, and world wide. Many peoples, nations are getting fed up with the US TELLING them what to do and trying to run their territory. Particularly when the US does not play fair or honest. Makes no matter who this group in Egypt was...... as it is part of the whole terrorist phenomena now. Each time there is an attack .......something suffers and there is a financial suffering of the victim area. In Egypt, the tourism was just building up again and people were starting to enjoy going there, (revenue for Egypt ) Now tourists are leaving in droves and unlikely to return anytime soon.
(when there is this much anger at a nation, said nation might want to examine what it is doing , that contributes to the anger. )
mrmom2 said:Don't waste your time with JTF Mog .He dosen't care about anything but his opinion he's told me as much
Good post.
Mom is just our resident cowboy, he shoots from the hip, its just his way. Perhaps he should have said, your defination is simple, and says nothing about about the "root" cause of the hatred. I beg to differ, I think its much more complicated than life style. We all have our 2 cents.
Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
I cannot help but to agree with you to a certain extent, the west has been absorbed. In many aspects. However there is logic in what JTF mentions, Qutb, an Egyptian that had come to the US back in the 50's If I remember correctly, was literally disgusted by what he saw in society. What is that you say? Children playing around on the lawns, people watching television, drinking, like you mentioned before.
And his approach to this was to correct it by radical measures, even violence, hence a new movement was born. There are always two sides to every view. And I believe it to be complex, nothing is black and white in this world, complex issues require complex solutions.
moghrabi said:
I cannot help but to agree with you to a certain extent, the west has been absorbed. In many aspects. However there is logic in what JTF mentions, Qutb, an Egyptian that had come to the US back in the 50's If I remember correctly, was literally disgusted by what he saw in society. What is that you say? Children playing around on the lawns, people watching television, drinking, like you mentioned before.
And his approach to this was to correct it by radical measures, even violence, hence a new movement was born. There are always two sides to every view. And I believe it to be complex, nothing is black and white in this world, complex issues require complex solutions.
The people who become followers of the theories of Qutb all come from someplace though, ITN. Even Qutb was not terribly interested in what westerners did in the west, he simply returned home, but rather he was interested in keeping those things out of the Middle East.
Because of the presence of British and US influences at the time, he was concerned about the westernisation of his culture.
Because of the presence of British and US influences at the time, he was concerned about the westernisation of his culture.
Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
Exactly. He did not like what he saw but yet he did not care if it kept happening here. After all, this is the culture the west wants to live. He disliked the idea of this coming to his hometown. Now we see all these troops around the area, drinking in their camps, women running around half-naked, his followers are saying get out. If you want this life, do it at home, but not in our land.
Reverend Blair said:
Exactly. He did not like what he saw but yet he did not care if it kept happening here. After all, this is the culture the west wants to live. He disliked the idea of this coming to his hometown. Now we see all these troops around the area, drinking in their camps, women running around half-naked, his followers are saying get out. If you want this life, do it at home, but not in our land.
Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
Not necessarily correct. His brother, Muhammad Qutb, moved to Saudi Arabia where he became a Professor of Islamic Studies. One of Muhammad Qutb's students and ardent followers was Ayman Zawahiri, who was to become the mentor of Osama bin Laden.
Sounds like trickle down eonomics. Sort of
Reverend Blair said:
Not necessarily correct. His brother, Muhammad Qutb, moved to Saudi Arabia where he became a Professor of Islamic Studies. One of Muhammad Qutb's students and ardent followers was Ayman Zawahiri, who was to become the mentor of Osama bin Laden.
Sounds like trickle down eonomics. Sort of
Re: RE: Blasts In EGYPT. :-(
If Arabs don't want to eat McDonalds, then they don't have to. Don't buy their products and see how fast they leave once they aren't making money. But that doesn't appear to be the case.
moghrabi said:
If Arabs don't want to eat McDonalds, then they don't have to. Don't buy their products and see how fast they leave once they aren't making money. But that doesn't appear to be the case.