Attawapiskat gets attention!

IdRatherBeSkiing

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attention-whoaring by butts and shiny pony.


anyway kids:

The idea that the destitution of far-flung First Nations such as Attawapiskat is a result of Ottawa’s neglect is wrong

Lessons from a brilliant CBC report on Attawapiskat’s mismanagement | National Post

Attawapiskat's financial mismanagement is staggering | Columnists | Opinion | Ed



"The idea that these problems can be solved by giving more power and more money to leaders such as Ms. Spence is nonsensical. What we need instead is a candid discussion about whether communities such as this should remain in existence as subsidized entities."

Spence is gone but the need for discussion remains.
 

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I am trying to find the link where he actually did it (he did). Here is a link about him promising to do it.

Justin Trudeau Vows To Scrap First Nations Financial Transparency Act

Here is one:

Liberals back down on First Nations transparency | FUREY | Canada | News | Toron

Google is your friend.


A copy of the message sent to the Federal Gov't.

ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS & NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT

I for one am very concerned about the state of affairs at Attawapiskat in two aspects - the deplorable living conditions and mental state of the citizens AND the responsible use of funds directed to improving the conditions. (I don't care how much money chiefs are being paid) I do care about the amount of funds directed to improvements and the ability to see a record of expenses disbursed and a method of assurance that the desired results materialize. Thanking you kindly, J.L. Mxxxx, Vernon, B.C.
ATTENTION- PRIME MINISTER TRUDEAU.

P.S. Google is definitely your friend especially if you know the correct key words to search! :)

Acknowledgement from the Man.


Contact the Prime Minister | Prime Minister of Canada

"The idea that these problems can be solved by giving more power and more money to leaders such as Ms. Spence is nonsensical. What we need instead is a candid discussion about whether communities such as this should remain in existence as subsidized entities."

Spence is gone but the need for discussion remains.


I suppose there is no feasible way to retrieve the money she squandered! Perhaps a spell in jail is in order!
 

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During suicide debate Justice Minister says it’s time for First Nations to shed Indian Act ‘shackles’

The Liberals aim to do nothing less than scrap the Indian Act. In its place the government wants to create a new relationship based on section 35 of the Constitution, which guarantees Aboriginal rights, and the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP), according to Wilson-Raybould.

“We need to ensure we breathe life into section 35 and that we complete the unfinished business of Confederation,” said Wilson-Raybould. “If we do so we will have a strong and appropriate governance in First Nation communities wherein they have moved beyond the Indian Act.”

During suicide debate Justice Minister says it’s time for First Nations to shed Indian Act ‘shackles’ - APTN National NewsAPTN National News


We might actually become a great nation.
 

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The Indian Act is totally obsolete. It is a Colonial hold-over that should have been phased out many decades ago. Unfortunately, the biggest resistance to ridding ourselves of the Indian Act are the band councils who stand to loose the source of their power and money.
 

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Everybody and his/her dog is flying up there now. How much different will things be a month, 6 months, a year, 5 years from now? Right now is the time to start preparing a detailed schedule of steps to be taken for the next year. On top of that review dates should be scheduled every month at which time progress is examined and necessary changes to the original plan be scheduled. The Premier of Ontario and the Prime Minister should get a detailed memo on progress at least once a month. Otherwise the whole undertaking is just going to be another useless charade. Another community in far northern Quebec needs similar attention. "Band aid" solutions performed in haste are just an utter waste of time and money!


I can't imagine what solution there is. There's more at play in the suicide incidents than meets the eye.
If you want to know what people are like, listen to the kids. The attitudes of kids are what the parents have instilled in them. It's a pretty sure bet that those 'suicide victims' have been raised steeped in complaints about their poor conditions and apathy about the future. They haven't been infused with confidence in their own self-worth and encouraged to set higher goals for themselves.


The focus is on poor living conditions as a cause of the high suicide rate But the lack of up to date housing, education, health facilities, jobs, is mainly due to the isolated locations of the reserves. The short growing season doesn't even allow for them to grow their own food! It would be impossible to provide the same standard of living there that exists in more accessible centers. The cost would be too high, and no one would want to go there permanently as teachers, doctors, etc. Even if such improvements could be achieved, the children would still be isolated from mainstream society in which to learn to mingle and complete.


One feasible plan might be to offer them relocation closer to civilization. If they chose to go, whole towns could be created close to existing centers where the residents could partake of the mainstream facilities and society in general. If they resisted relocation, then they would have to make do as best they can!


Looking at the Reserves in Southern Ontario, (Six Nations is one example) there is no poverty or need. Their location affords accessibility to jobs and modern facilities.
 

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I can't imagine what solution there is. There's more at play in the suicide incidents than meets the eye.
If you want to know what people are like, listen to the kids. The attitudes of kids are what the parents have instilled in them. It's a pretty sure bet that those 'suicide victims' have been raised steeped in complaints about their poor conditions and apathy about the future. They haven't been infused with confidence in their own self-worth and encouraged to set higher goals for themselves.


The focus is on poor living conditions as a cause of the high suicide rate But the lack of up to date housing, education, health facilities, jobs, is mainly due to the isolated locations of the reserves. The short growing season doesn't even allow for them to grow their own food! It would be impossible to provide the same standard of living there that exists in more accessible centers. The cost would be too high, and no one would want to go there permanently as teachers, doctors, etc. Even if such improvements could be achieved, the children would still be isolated from mainstream society in which to learn to mingle and complete.


One feasible plan might be to offer them relocation closer to civilization. If they chose to go, whole towns could be created close to existing centers where the residents could partake of the mainstream facilities and society in general. If they resisted relocation, then they would have to make do as best they can!


Looking at the Reserves in Southern Ontario, (Six Nations is one example) there is no poverty or need. Their location affords accessibility to jobs and modern facilities.
That makes to much sense and doesn't make lawyers rich .
It will never happen .
 

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During suicide debate Justice Minister says it’s time for First Nations to shed Indian Act ‘shackles’

The Liberals aim to do nothing less than scrap the Indian Act. In its place the government wants to create a new relationship based on section 35 of the Constitution, which guarantees Aboriginal rights, and the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP), according to Wilson-Raybould.

“We need to ensure we breathe life into section 35 and that we complete the unfinished business of Confederation,” said Wilson-Raybould. “If we do so we will have a strong and appropriate governance in First Nation communities wherein they have moved beyond the Indian Act.”

During suicide debate Justice Minister says it’s time for First Nations to shed Indian Act ‘shackles’ - APTN National NewsAPTN National News


We might actually become a great nation.
Gubmint down-sizing? Ain't gonna happen under the Libs fer sher.
 

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Just cut out the middleman(woman) Chief Spence for the funds....
She can go on another fast.......and gain 10 pounds .....like the last time she starved herself.....

Another selfie opportunity.......

 

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the phonies in walmart fleece, the pony in $500 hipster canada 'urban adventure' goose. Lol.
 

JLM

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I can't imagine what solution there is. There's more at play in the suicide incidents than meets the eye.
If you want to know what people are like, listen to the kids. The attitudes of kids are what the parents have instilled in them. It's a pretty sure bet that those 'suicide victims' have been raised steeped in complaints about their poor conditions and apathy about the future. They haven't been infused with confidence in their own self-worth and encouraged to set higher goals for themselves.


The focus is on poor living conditions as a cause of the high suicide rate But the lack of up to date housing, education, health facilities, jobs, is mainly due to the isolated locations of the reserves. The short growing season doesn't even allow for them to grow their own food! It would be impossible to provide the same standard of living there that exists in more accessible centers. The cost would be too high, and no one would want to go there permanently as teachers, doctors, etc. Even if such improvements could be achieved, the children would still be isolated from mainstream society in which to learn to mingle and complete.


One feasible plan might be to offer them relocation closer to civilization. If they chose to go, whole towns could be created close to existing centers where the residents could partake of the mainstream facilities and society in general. If they resisted relocation, then they would have to make do as best they can!


Looking at the Reserves in Southern Ontario, (Six Nations is one example) there is no poverty or need. Their location affords accessibility to jobs and modern facilities.


Definitely a lot of 'food' for thought there. I would agree relocating them to another location if there isn't a way to make Attawapiskat habitable at reasonable cost. One thing for sure, it's going to have to be a steep learning curve, if we're to avoid a deluge of victims.
 

Walter

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Definitely a lot of 'food' for thought there. I would agree relocating them to another location if there isn't a way to make Attawapiskat habitable at reasonable cost. One thing for sure, it's going to have to be a steep learning curve, if we're to avoid a deluge of victims.
The Libs will make sure there's lotsa 'victims'.
 

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Not much can be done about the past, besides learning from it. Future allotments should be designated for specific expenses for which receipts will be required. A panel of three people should be designated to monitor all funds.
The thing is, of that $500+ million, only $90 million came from the govt.
Unfortunately, the problem is much more complex than something like the homeless problem where money and proper supports in place can make a big difference.