Really, you mean the black slave trade came about long after the Bible? Not like the poster imply's?
Atheist group's slavery billboard in Harrisburg offends African-Americans
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Really, you mean the black slave trade came about long after the Bible? Not like the poster imply's?
Because it's uncomfortable for some people.
Most likely because the billboard is in a "christian" country.
No, slavery long pre-dates and post-dates the Bible, as Colpy said, slavery's been a feature of all civilizations until recently, and still is in some places. I meant only that the African slave trade in the Christian west was started by the Christian west. The major point is that the Bible nowhere condemns slavery, not even Jesus is reported as speaking out against it, the whole text just takes it as a given, and it even offers rules about it, as the billboard in the OP says, in both the Old and the New Testaments. So whatever Christians came out against it in the abolitionist movement, they weren't getting their ethics from the Bible. The secondary point is that the King James version of the Bible in the verse cited in the billboard in the OP says servants, not slaves, and can be read as being about an employer-employee relationship. In that context what it says seems perfectly reasonable, employees should do as the boss instructs, and the boss should be fair and equitable. Maybe you missed it, but I was agreeing with your point about context.
I double dog dare the ahteist cult to go and post some anti Islam posters in Iran or Egypt or Libya;-)
They would probably upset some religious nutters, just like they have done here. Fortunately in NA, we haven't given the religious nutters too much control.
You wont see that happening. They know better than that. Christians are the easy target. They won't even make target them here.
The bottom line is the Religion of Atheism is made up of a bunch of D***s. They are the group of loud mouthed fans that ruin a sporting event by yellling and swearing regardless of whos around them... women, children. They don't care.
Western/European slavers could never have trafficked in slavery had the tribal factions in Africa not been engaged in the practice at the outset. Members of outside tribes were routinely captured and used as slaves, the Europeans added in the element of trade/barter which in turn, turned the tribal focus into one of pseudo-commercial
That said, the African slave trade was not really started by Christians of European descent
Great - I suppose that it would be in good taste to erect a billboard decrying the threats of atheism by using Jeffrey Dhamer as the poster-boy?
Would you expect any less from pseudo-intellectuals who look down at anyone who don't share their beliefs..
All religious extremists are the same....
Everything is okay.
Breathe.
Everyone is good.
Once you feel the religious tolerance moving through your body, you will begin to accept every form and dogma as natural and we're each one and the same.
Now move your pelvis forward and slowly bend over as we begin the milking process.
Breathe.
Everyone is good.
Once you feel the religious tolerance moving through your body, you will begin to accept every form and dogma as natural and we're each one and the same.
Now move your pelvis forward and slowly bend over as we begin the milking process.
You do realize those two claims are inconsistent?
I've said nothing about taste, but if somebody erected such a billboard I'd feel free to talk about that too. I don't see your point.
You've been highly selective in your considerations.
The fact still remains, Europeans would never had any opportunity to participate in the slave trade had there been no slaves in the first place.
The tribal customs in the past were done to achieve certain benefits... The presence of the European interest simply provided another form of consideration (from the perspective of the group that enslaved the individuals in the first place).
The initial post that I responded to was presented in a manner that sought to suggest that there was no slave activity prior to Europeans participating in that disgusting practice.
Yes... that is the catch all when confronted at the pointed attack on Christians by these cultist.... or we don't believe in any religions.
This whole thing is offencive in the worst way regardless of whether the bottom was
ripped off. I have many beefs with Bible and contest whether its entirely accurate but
I see no need to be disrespectful to those with different opinions. In fact the Atheists
complain because they are not respected for their opinions then they go do something
like this.
I agree the Bible was a historical document, then a spiritual document and now it is a
political document. Today the spiritual message has gone by the wayside in favour of
being a political control method.
Today we see the Bible as a means of control in various ways.
1 If you don't do what God says you can't go to Heaven with the rest.
2 Everyone else is going to church and if you don't go you are not part
of Gods family and therefore you are left out of things in the Neighbourhood.
So much for the positive message of Mr. Rogers.
3 If you are going to be part of the church you have to believe the same as everyone
else.
4 On a broader scale the society all believes and no one should question the Bible we
even have to swear on the Bible to be believed in court. As if you can't just tell the
truth and shame the Devil as it were.
The problem is the Atheists created a reaction to a high profile stunt which did nothing
for their cause or anyone Else's. Instead of dealing with the problem they see with the
system they created a different problem. Public opinion is the single biggest asset any
group has and when you lose faith with that group you are done for a long period of
time. Nope I don't agree with what they did or with what those who vandalized it did.
I would like to see the whole Jesus business industry cleaned up some what but I see no
need to be disrespectful. In using the term Jesus Business I say that because that is what
it has become. It used to be something spiritual. Now its about bigger churches, and the
business of creating wealth. Its about bigger TV Ministries and total Hypocrisy and that is
the problem. It does not have to be abandoned but it does have to be regulated in some
manner because of its own excesses and out of control behaviour. Today those engaged
in the ministry have no accountability and that is the problem. Jesus is not the problem
many of those who claim to represent him are the problem.
ripped off. I have many beefs with Bible and contest whether its entirely accurate but
I see no need to be disrespectful to those with different opinions. In fact the Atheists
complain because they are not respected for their opinions then they go do something
like this.
I agree the Bible was a historical document, then a spiritual document and now it is a
political document. Today the spiritual message has gone by the wayside in favour of
being a political control method.
Today we see the Bible as a means of control in various ways.
1 If you don't do what God says you can't go to Heaven with the rest.
2 Everyone else is going to church and if you don't go you are not part
of Gods family and therefore you are left out of things in the Neighbourhood.
So much for the positive message of Mr. Rogers.
3 If you are going to be part of the church you have to believe the same as everyone
else.
4 On a broader scale the society all believes and no one should question the Bible we
even have to swear on the Bible to be believed in court. As if you can't just tell the
truth and shame the Devil as it were.
The problem is the Atheists created a reaction to a high profile stunt which did nothing
for their cause or anyone Else's. Instead of dealing with the problem they see with the
system they created a different problem. Public opinion is the single biggest asset any
group has and when you lose faith with that group you are done for a long period of
time. Nope I don't agree with what they did or with what those who vandalized it did.
I would like to see the whole Jesus business industry cleaned up some what but I see no
need to be disrespectful. In using the term Jesus Business I say that because that is what
it has become. It used to be something spiritual. Now its about bigger churches, and the
business of creating wealth. Its about bigger TV Ministries and total Hypocrisy and that is
the problem. It does not have to be abandoned but it does have to be regulated in some
manner because of its own excesses and out of control behaviour. Today those engaged
in the ministry have no accountability and that is the problem. Jesus is not the problem
many of those who claim to represent him are the problem.
The Portuguese, the Dutch, the French, and the British, primarily from Africa. Abolitionist Movement
They arent in a country where fundamental Islam is a major political force. Im all for going after all religious extremists regardless of which religion they are. People are far too afraid of the Muslim extremists.
You're being disingenuous in decrying slavery as something that never occurred in Europe until there was a demand in the colonies. Slavery existed in Europe prior to and during Roman domination. It existed in various forms and in various places long after. Feudalism was essentially slavery from the serfs' perspective.
That aside, the billboard in question is in unquestionably poor taste. I don't agree with many actions by self-professed Christians (many of whom seem to be stuck in the Old Testament, and not really on board with JC's message of peace, love, forgiveness and acceptance), and I think the state legislature of PA was wrong to try and create a "year of the bible" what is predominantly a secular society, but this type of response is garbage.