My level of care for other living beings is limited to the line between their own health and my own..... self preservation is also a "Natural" thing.
Yeah I do.... become a hermit and bubble wrap your house if the real world is too scary for you.
Anti-vaccine movement endangers West Coast
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My level of care for other living beings is limited to the line between their own health and my own..... self preservation is also a "Natural" thing.
Yeah I do.... become a hermit and bubble wrap your house if the real world is too scary for you.
Isn't it dark in there? It is in mine.
Yeah. I got the flu from a flu shot a few years ago and decided not to get shots for the regular flu any more. I got the H1N1 and didn't feel a thing. I have also had tetanus shots occasionally and never felt sick from those either. So in spite of having a bad reaction to one shot, I won't declare to never have another shot again.
Really? What are my assumptions? All I did was ask questions.
It's your choice. So why are you moaning about being forced into stuff?
*shrugs*
Really? These places tell people they can't bring peanuts to eat in their lunches?
The only times I would object would be in a public place in BC like a restaurant, BC park, etc. (where it is illegal) or else a place I own and an authority would likely be made known of my objection. So if I was to be enlightened, it would be that you had been appropriately fined. Other wise, I'd just avoid you.
You avoided the question by posing your own question.
Sure I am selfish. I am also concerned about other people being jeopardized by people who don't give a crap.
lmao Prove it.
Nothing. It was my opinion. I voice my opinions here. If you can't handle them, don't read them. lmao
Is it? Or does it just seem like that to you?
So if you decided to kill someone, you should be able to do that without sucking up the consequences? Interesting.
I'm beginning to think not. So if you are miserable, why not save others (like me) the effort of caring and leave?
Making assumptions about me again, huh? tsk tsk tsk
Or it may just prove that I like to argue in CanCon. lol Or it might just prove that you are wrong and I realize that you and I will likely never meet so there's no reason to think that you pose a danger to my person. Or it might just prove .....
Prove it.
Because they actually come to different conclusions about me than you.
Yes really... if you'll go back and look at what I was quoting, you'll notice I included the question you had asked, and where you answered the question. And yes I was being selective, because if you ask twenty questions and babble on for ten paragraphs, I don't need to pay any attention to it if I'm merely pointing out the answer to one singular question you posed.
I constantly skim and trim your posts as I find the more heated you get, the more fractured and long winded your posts become.
This discussion reminds me of a mother and her two pre-school children I saw at the mall the other day. They were riding up the escalator and mom said sternly to the kids, "Don't touch the hand rails!" Of course kids being kids they promptly touched the hand rails, at which point mom grabbed their little arms and yanked them towards the center of the esacalator and with a wild-eyed warning screamed, "I TOLD YOU NOT TO TOUCH THE HAND RAILS!!!"
Those poor unfortunate kids.....
Those poor unfortunate kids.....
No Annag I have not a habit like that at all. I never ever refuse evidence. Your problem is confusing academic consensus for evidence. Stop amswering my correspondence to other posters before they have a chance to respond. I don't want their thinking infected by yours. They may be easily swayed by a nubile babe.:smile:
*sighs* Yeah, you do.
If the consensus is based on fact, yes, I do. If it's nonsense, I say it's nonsense.
It's a public forum and I will reply to anything I want.
Ah, so you would love to have exclusive access to spew your nebulous "theories" without factual interference. I see.
This from a person who believes the sun is powered by electric currents, giant thunderbolts create drainage patterns, there's good evidence vaccines cause autism, science is hopelessly corrupt, and it's the cranks like Velikovsky who have it right. :roll:
Lets address these point wise.
1. I am vaccinated, but protection wanes between immunizations. If others are not keeping up-to-date, that increases the pool of susceptible, and also increases the probability that I may become infected.
Also, even if it doesn't impact me, doesn't mean I don't care. That's a pretty callous attitude to have.
2. Why on earth would you think I'm fine with people dying needlessly? That's again, pretty callous.
3. The Chicken pox vaccine was only licensed for use in Canada in 1998.
4. I'm aware of that, now show me where I said anything close to that. Otherwise, take your strawman somewhere else. I said that the anti-vaccine movement endangers, which is true.
5. If the family was properly immunized we wouldn't have this thread. I'm not saying anything at all about mandatory jabs. Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm saying that people taken in by this idiotic anti-vaccine movement are placing others at risk.
6. You're putting words in my mouth which I never said. Try to stick to what I do say, and you won't look so foolish.
I never said anything about the plague. I did mention how many illnesses there used to be before widespread immunization. That's meant to be a piece of information which should make the anti-vaccine brigade think twice.
The difference between skeptics and deniers is that skeptics are persuaded by evidence, while deniers ignore fundamental truths like the decline in preventable disease.
7. I think the chances of autism from a vaccine are non-existant. There's no causal link.
On the other hand, an outbreak (I never said massive, why do you require strawmen to debate with someone?) is causally related to the pool of susceptible individuals in a population.
9. If measles has no pool of susceptible individuals, it can't infect anyone, because there is no infection.
Heard of anyone with small pox recently? Probably not. We wiped it out, with a globally coordinated immunization program.
Never attempt to make the ignorant think. NEVER, EVER confront them with fact. They know that immunizations are dangerous, because they know it. The fact that those every immunizations are responsible for the fact that we no longer have a massive rate of childhood death means nothing to them.
Some idiot, with the scientific understanding of a rock writes a book, using very simplistic language, and they accept is as dogma. Of course, the simplistic always attracts, because most people really do not want to think. They want it simple, just keep it simple.
Oh well, thankfully, they must vaccinate their children in order to get them into schools. And the vast majority of children do go to public school, so even though the parents are morons, they end of getting their children protected in spite of their ignorance.
Some idiot, with the scientific understanding of a rock writes a book, using very simplistic language, and they accept is as dogma. Of course, the simplistic always attracts, because most people really do not want to think. They want it simple, just keep it simple.
Oh well, thankfully, they must vaccinate their children in order to get them into schools. And the vast majority of children do go to public school, so even though the parents are morons, they end of getting their children protected in spite of their ignorance.
Feel free to confront us with a fact. The historical data I provided earlier graphically illustrates that immunizations are not responsible for the fact that we no longer have a massive rate of childhood death. You say that just the opposite is true but you don't offer supporting documentation.
it seems that floods tsunamis and earthquakes and wars are doing that
just fine, and if vaccinations can save many, it is the right thing to do.
That on scientific matters you understand less than nothing. When H. L. Mencken remarked that the chief occupation of mankind is believing in the palpably not true, he was thinking of people like you.
The historical data you showed us very clearly shows large variations in the early century. Though it was decreasing, likely due to better hygiene, but it never approached the levels of post-vaccination Canada. If we had no immunizations, we would not be at the level we are now.
Again, try to find someone who came down with a case of small pox recently.
I see, so what you in fact saying is that although the suns electrical nature has been proven beyond any doubt, scientifically, seven ways to sunday, you will cling to your faith in the falsified solar fusion fable even though it is palpably not true. Mencken met you for lunch once, didn't he?
The historical data you showed us very clearly shows large variations in the early century. Though it was decreasing, likely due to better hygiene, but it never approached the levels of post-vaccination Canada. If we had no immunizations, we would not be at the level we are now.
Again, try to find someone who came down with a case of small pox recently.
Since the improvements in nutrition and hygene have continued I wonder which is the bigger contributing factor? I can't find a tyranosaurous rex either, extinction events aren't confined to dynosaurs.
Stubborn isn't it? it admits to there being plenty of EM to bind the universe together but fails to realize you can't have the by-product called EM without the E.