Analysts on Canada's budget: ‘Deficit paranoia is mind-bogglingly stupid’

skookumchuck

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Still with the selfies line.

The well has certainly run dry for the Cons.

Explain why the liberals who held power in Canada for a very long time did not fix all these problems, including native problems? Are they reborn now? Particularly Justines daddy, he was soooo smart ya know. If Harper's wife had been banging the band there would have been a lot of noise from the left.
 

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Kreskin

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Hopefully they build a second cruise ship dock on Vancouver Island that no one uses.
 

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My genes been on this landmass for three to five hundred years! W hen do I get a card? Where do I go if not? I from here fuk off.

I'm all for indeginous rules sans queeen sans, NATO sans the lot. We deal wirh Russia ansd China soon as possible, fuk western alliance and fuk fiver eyes, Londons burning Brussels too, hot dog
 

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Harper was goaded into deficit spending in the name of stimulus when his government was a minority, then was roundly pilloried for it when the expected result went unattained. Funny how ill winds of public opinion turn favourable depending on whose sails are hoisted. How has likewise John Maynard Keynes' model deficit spending worked out the last three, four, or umpteen times it has been tried? What was it Einstein said about attempting the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?


I've always thought borrowing to invest when interest rates are low was wise but definitely not to the tune of $29 billion- maybe a billion or two at the most would be manageable, hoping of course it can all be repaid before interest rates start to rise!
 

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Analysts on Canada's budget: ‘Deficit paranoia is mind-bogglingly stupid’

Awaiting the budget
Canada’s new government is expected this week to unveil a stimulus budget with a deficit in the area of $30-billion.

That would count as bad news for some who crave balance. But for others, it may not be enough given the sluggish economy and unemployment that refuses to drop below 7 per cent.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau has already adjusted the outlook amid the oil shock, projecting a deficit of $18.4-billion in the 2016-17 fiscal year, not including the Liberal government’s promised spending initiative. When you add it all together, it’s looking like about $30-billion.

Besides infrastructure spending, Canadians can expect to see a new child benefit, changes to the jobless benefits program and a tweak to tax rules governing stock options.

Economists aren’t waving red flags over what they expect to see, and some observers would like even greater stimulus spending than Mr. Morneau will probably unveil.

They’re not suggesting throwing caution to the wind, but they do note that Canada is able to handle what’s expected.

Here’s what some observers say:

“Deficit paranoia is mind-bogglingly stupid. … Even a $50-billion deficit wouldn’t endanger the long-term outlook for the public finances, however. The bigger risk is that if fiscal policy doesn’t take up the slack, the economy could slip into a prolonged downturn. It would be a tragedy if, after watching Europe nearly destroy itself, Canada made the same mistake.” Paul Ashworth, Capital Economics

“Expect the outcome of the next budget on March 22 to show cumulative deficits over the next two years well above $50-billion (roughly 1.3 per cent of GDP) if the stimulus promised during the election campaign is implemented. That should hardly scare off foreign investors. Even with such deficits, the debt-to-GDP ratio should remain low relative to other OECD economies. In our view the government has the flexibility to provide fiscal stimulus to a Canadian economy that badly needs it.” Marc Pinsonneault, National Bank Financial

“Timely, targeted and temporary fiscal initiatives will provide a much-needed filip for the economy over the near term while potentially also improving long-term growth prospects. … In periods of weak growth, fiscal deficits have a role to play in lessening the damage to the economy. However, prudent fiscal management requires that initiatives provide clear benefit to growth in the short and long term. As well, the funds spent will need to eventually be repaid with the upcoming budget expected to provide a game plan as to how the federal government plans to return to fiscal balance.” Craig Wright and Laura Cooper, Royal Bank of Canada

“Our Canadian [economic growth] forecast incorporates our recommendation for federal fiscal stimulus of $20-billion, equivalent to 1 per cent of GDP, implemented during the second half of 2016 and the first half of 2017. This stimulus would be over and above the deficit resulting from weaker economic conditions. … The stimulus should be designed to: deliver a rapid economic impact; raise Canada’s economic capacity and thus our longer-term growth prospects; and, facilitate adjustments in the provinces most affected by weak commodity prices.” Aron Gampel, Bank of Nova Scotia

Analysts on Canada's budget: ‘Deficit paranoia is mind-bogglingly stupid’ - The Globe and Mail

Pile of garbage. There is never a good excuse for deficit spending. It is simply buying votes today and letting the kids pay for them tomorrow.Lowering the unemployment rate would be a snap if the government quit importing voters and made welfare bums work.

Actually it signals a profound handle on the Canadian economy. It's a big country. Why don't we sell it?

TrudOWE just sold our grandchildren's future for a few votes from the gimme crowd today.
 

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We're not making enough kids to cover the cost of borrowing, friend. We'll be in debt untill 2037 at this rate.

We don't need to borrow. Just the gimme generation wants it all now. Much like their parents did. Well some of us. Most people I know worked and paid taxes so Ontariowe and Quebeec could have more freebies.
 

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Pile of garbage. There is never a good excuse for deficit spending. It is simply buying votes today and letting the kids pay for them tomorrow.Lowering the unemployment rate would be a snap if the government quit importing voters and made welfare bums work.



TrudOWE just sold our grandchildren's future for a few votes from the gimme crowd today.


Yep, I'm thinking we may be in for some short term gain for some long term pain. I got the feeling listening Morneau he thinks this deficit spending will jump start the economy. I wish I had his confidence, but "I'm from Missouri".:) :)
 

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Canada, the new Greece under Trudeau..

What's funny it's the younger generation that voted this clown in because they wanted to smoke pot, it's the younger generation that's going to be stuck paying this debt down... Looks good on'em
 

JLM

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I recall that Justine promised to maintain the deficit within $10 billion during the election.... Looks like he's at around $30 billion and counting.

Guess that math was never his strong suit, but then again, budgets balance themselves


I guess you never heard that it was that dastardly Harper who left a huge mess for Justin to clean up!
 

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Harper was goaded into deficit spending in the name of stimulus when his government was a minority, then was roundly pilloried for it when the expected result went unattained. Funny how ill winds of public opinion turn favourable depending on whose sails are hoisted. How has likewise John Maynard Keynes' model deficit spending worked out the last three, four, or umpteen times it has been tried? What was it Einstein said about attempting the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

Actually the reason fro the continued deficits under Harper were not due to deliberate "deficit spending." They were due to continued tax cuts especially to the very wealthy and large corporations. This robbed his government of revenue, making it impossible to balance the budget.

As for Keynes, very seldom has any government followed his theory. Keynes stated that in bad times governments must increase spending, but also that in good times governments should decrease spending. Historically governments have been very good at increasing spending in hard times but very poor at reining it back in good times, essentially following only half of Keynes' teachings.

Pile of garbage. There is never a good excuse for deficit spending. It is simply buying votes today and letting the kids pay for them tomorrow.

I can think of a few. World War II would have been impossible for the Allies to win without deficit spending. Prior to that Herbert Hoover's decision to cut back spending at the beginning of the Great Depression proved catastrophic.

On a personal level almost every Canadian engages in deficit spending. That how they buy things like cars and houses. Governments do the same so that citizens can enjoy the benefits of schools, hospitals, libraries, roads and so on without having to wait decades for them.
 

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The Comfy Fur Budget

After spending the day in lock-up for Justin Trudeau’s inaugural budget, I bring you the good, the bad and the ugly in detail.

We already knew that the Liberals would stray from their promise of three small deficits of $10B but we didn’t know how high they would go.
Well, now we do and I really wasn’t far off in my prediction of $30B but watch my video for the gory details.

Conservative leader Rona Ambrose said this was a bad day for Canadian taxpayers and even Tom Mulcair criticized the Liberals for breaking their promise about keeping business taxes down for small businesses.

But, let’s be honest - the Liberals aren’t interested in helping people get jobs. They’re only interested in spending your money. They’re pretty good at doing that if nothing else.


WATCH: Details of Justin Trudeau’s inaugural budget … NOT a good day for taxpayers - The Rebel




Only Liberals could come up with something this inane.


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We don't need to borrow. Just the gimme generation wants it all now. Much like their parents did. Well some of us. Most people I know worked and paid taxes so Ontariowe and Quebeec could have more freebies.

That's right. Nobody works or pays taxes, here. That "most of you" in your little mind comprises 15% of the country. The rest of us just coast along. "I wonder what I can take from Alberta TODAY?"

Delusional.
 

JamesBondo

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises budget holds ‘historic’ investments for indigenous people

Still with the selfies line.

The well has certainly run dry for the Cons.


Willfully blind lately? You must have chose to completely filter out the 30billion when you used up all your fingers counting the zeros in it.