Afraid of death .

karrie

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Religious people never fear death..

Religious people have more reason than anyone else to fear death West. For, if you're religious, then you will usually believe in Hell. And if you believe in Hell, then you must believe it is possible you may have sinned, or may sin, in such a way that your entrance to Heaven is not guaranteed. And if you don't believe there is a possibility you will go to Hell, then you are arrogant enough that you most likely will.

People who dismiss religion and spirituality, who dismiss the notion of a life after death, are the ones who can truly approach death with no fear, for their journey will be over if they are right.
 

RomSpaceKnight

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Neither do animals and retards.

Got some proof of that?

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You calling me a retard?

I think it was made towords west, self.

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I simply stated a fact, don't get your panties in a knot over it.:roll:

No you stated a ridiculous claim, of which you can not provide any evidence, to support.

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An opinion on a fact and if think I was calling you names perhaps you should go hide under your bed a sob yourself to sleep.

An opinion on a fact eh? Got anything to back that up.

Oh, btw, grow up. "

Ditto
 

Dexter Sinister

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You calling me a retard?
No my friend, logically he was not, though he certainly could have been more polite in answering you. He stated that animals and retards don't fear death. Logic doesn't convert that to also mean that if you don't fear death you must be an animal or a retard. He didn't enumerate all the classes of beings that don't fear death, he listed only two of them. It immediately followed a comment from westmanguy that religious people never fear death, so we might reasonably conclude either that he thinks westmanguy belongs to one of those two classes, or more charitably, that he thinks religious belief has no particular merit. Or both, I suppose.

I don't think either claim is true. Animals may not fear death the way humans do, not having much capacity for rational thought, but they certainly take steps to preserve their lives, such as by running away from predators. That suggests they have a fear of death at least in some rudimentary form. As for religious people never fearing death, I think karrie's very articulate post got the truth of that one, and I see no need to restate the argument in my own words.
 

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Religious people have more reason than anyone else to fear death West. For, if you're religious, then you will usually believe in Hell. And if you believe in Hell, then you must believe it is possible you may have sinned, or may sin, in such a way that your entrance to Heaven is not guaranteed. And if you don't believe there is a possibility you will go to Hell, then you are arrogant enough that you most likely will.

People who dismiss religion and spirituality, who dismiss the notion of a life after death, are the ones who can truly approach death with no fear, for their journey will be over if they are right.

Why would an all loving good dam people to hell for eternity? As for religious people fearing hell I saw a story about a priest that believed he was on of the damned. His church though did not support the idea of predamnation.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Why would an all loving good dam people to hell for eternity?
Good question, and one of the basic quandaries at the heart of Christian belief. I don't have an answer either. As an atheist I think the question has no meaningful referents, but for those who do believe it seems to be unresolvable. There's this infinitely merciful, compassionate, loving, and forgiving god, yet there are still behaviours that'll condemn you for all time, things he won't forgive? Doesn't make sense.
 

talloola

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Yeah, I'm afraid of dying, I like it here, but as life goes along, things will happen that will make me
begin to invite death. I don't want to be a burden to anyone, and if that happens I will quietly wish
for the end to come. I want to outlive my husband, so that he doesn't suffer and become lonely when
I die before him, (but of course I wish him to live to a very old age.) I don't want any of my children to die before me, so as long as they live, I will be happy to live too, if I'm able to look after myself.I am 68 yrs. old, and noone believes that, as I'm very young and healthy, so for the time being, I will enjoy my life, and not be concerned with death.
 

look3467

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Why would an all loving good dam people to hell for eternity? As for religious people fearing hell I saw a story about a priest that believed he was on of the damned. His church though did not support the idea of predamnation.>>>s234a

You mean why would a loving God condemn people to hell? It quite simple and after you understand it, you will see that this loving God is very loving and condemns no one to hell.

First, hell is a term depicting separation. Or: death.

In our case, we are separated from God by knowledge of who we are in the flesh. We are born innocent until we learn who we are in relation to God. When we do that, we find that we are spiritually separated (Death spiritually) from God.

Now, hell is a situation where before the savior had come, was a state of separation. A holding place if you will, where souls where held because they could not enter into heaven.
Therefore, in order to enter into heaven, those souls had to become born again.

The first birth, gave us the flesh, and the second birth gives us life.

God at a time appointed comes as like us, flesh, and corrects everything out for us, and enables all those who were held in prisons of separation, and us today, to become born again as new creatures able to gain entrance to heaven as individual souls with personalities.

We will all know each other because of our individuality.

As for those who don’t believe in God now, will: believe when they see Jesus face to face at their death; Not only Him, but all their relatives as well.

Now, is that not a loving God or what?

He gives you and opportunity to first exist as an individual soul, experience life in the flesh learning right from wrong, good and evil, learning to demonstrate love, and finally, giving you life after it is all said and done on this earth.

Wow, what a loving God He is.

Well, you say, what about the Hitler’s of the world? Where is their wow? Hey, we all have choices and some of us , well, we choose selfishly. So God uses the those selfish peoples desires to demonstrate His power to the rest of humanity by you and I.

His power is demonstrated in us, by us, by His commandments of loving God and neighbor.

That is a power that has no enemy. It knows no enemy. It is God Himself: LOVE.

If there is an enemy, it is not God, but our selves against God. For: there is not one evil thing in God of all goodness and mercy and power and might.
Yet: tender and loving, gentle and kind.

Religious people condemn because they know no better, as does the non-religious unbelievers.

All things are of God, and mankind can not escape it. Even if he thinks so.



So..............now, why fear death?


Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

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Death is our best advisor, embrace death and live fully.

Darkbeaver, there is little left to say in this thread after your words. You've said it all.

Besides, death is unavoidable, whether you are afraid of it or not. Doesn't it seem to be a useless waste of energy to fear something that is going to happen anyway?
 

china

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AndyF,

I'll keep studying it and try to understand. I see most of your threads are based on this one understanding.___________

Hi Andy , .....and that understanding is ....one should observe ones self without forming any opinions and/or judgements.
 

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Originally Posted by china
Are you afraid of death?-------------------------------------
Yes .

WHY ?
I already answered that, but...

I'm having to much fun here and now. I believe I will be with my fallen friends, relatives and brethern, when I do shed my earthly coils, in the Great Hunting Grounds. but I do not wish to hasten it any. Though I take risks for fun and entertainment, that many would see as suicidal, I see tham as pushing the limit, getting the blood flowing. As well, I feel the energy of life, that is something, I wish not to cease, as of yet.