The Atlantica Party
Striving for political and electoral reform in the Atlantic provinces.
Any comments?
www.atlanticaparty.ca
Striving for political and electoral reform in the Atlantic provinces.
Any comments?
www.atlanticaparty.ca
A new political party
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We don't need new parties, we need a new system. And a constitution governing its function that's been vetted by the voting population. It'll require an update of the justice system but that could be done through effective town hall meetings that are used to send binding resolutions to riding reps. Junk system, junk constitution and no new party will fix that.
Last thing we need are regional nationalistic parties with no real clear economic program.
Not to sound like a Jerk either but the provinces it would represent... well... Maybe I shouldn't say anything but the population and the weath (lack their of) are in question when you base it along that of Ontario, Quebec, BC and Alberta.
Not to sound like a Jerk either but the provinces it would represent... well... Maybe I shouldn't say anything but the population and the weath (lack their of) are in question when you base it along that of Ontario, Quebec, BC and Alberta.
We have just released our first policy platform!!
The Atlantica Party will introduce Single Transferable Vote (STV) for provincial elections and ban election contributions from all sources in favor of equal election financing for each candidate. These reforms are needed to ensure fairer elections, allow more political voices to be heard, encourage citizens to become engaged in elections, and present voters with more electoral choice.
The Atlantica Party will reform the provincial political system by re-establishing the independence of the Legislature from the Executive. This sharing of powers between the citizen's representatives in the Legislature and the Executive will encourage freer debate, better decision making, and establish stricter public oversight of government operations. The Atlantica Party will also institute in a prudent fashion several direct democracy tools for use by citizens, including Citizen's Initiative and Recall.
The Atlantica Party commits to increasing the voice of the region within Confederation in order to reverse the neglect of this region by the Federal Government.
To learn more about our policies or about the party please visit us at www.atlanticaparty.ca
You can email us at info@atlanticaparty.ca
For discussion please visit our new discussion forum at www.atlanticaparty.ca/forum
Enjoy.
The Atlantica Party Executive.
Leading The Movement For Real Reform.
The Atlantica Party will introduce Single Transferable Vote (STV) for provincial elections and ban election contributions from all sources in favor of equal election financing for each candidate. These reforms are needed to ensure fairer elections, allow more political voices to be heard, encourage citizens to become engaged in elections, and present voters with more electoral choice.
The Atlantica Party will reform the provincial political system by re-establishing the independence of the Legislature from the Executive. This sharing of powers between the citizen's representatives in the Legislature and the Executive will encourage freer debate, better decision making, and establish stricter public oversight of government operations. The Atlantica Party will also institute in a prudent fashion several direct democracy tools for use by citizens, including Citizen's Initiative and Recall.
The Atlantica Party commits to increasing the voice of the region within Confederation in order to reverse the neglect of this region by the Federal Government.
To learn more about our policies or about the party please visit us at www.atlanticaparty.ca
You can email us at info@atlanticaparty.ca
For discussion please visit our new discussion forum at www.atlanticaparty.ca/forum
Enjoy.
The Atlantica Party Executive.
Leading The Movement For Real Reform.
I certainly understand where they are coming from to form this new party, however,
We need a cohesive approach in the country, I guess first off we need to actually think of our country as a country!! We trash Americans for having little knowledge of us, but how much knowledge does the average Canadian have of his country. Toronto not knowing the rest of the country exists or at best thinks of anything else but Toronto issues. Atantic areas being forgotten, Quebec's self centered whinning, the east only knowing there's good skiing out west, the west thinking who the hell are these easterners anyway, and none of us having a clue that our country extends thousands of miles to the north, in fact most likely don't know we have 3 territories or their names....
We've go some work to do!!!
We need a cohesive approach in the country, I guess first off we need to actually think of our country as a country!! We trash Americans for having little knowledge of us, but how much knowledge does the average Canadian have of his country. Toronto not knowing the rest of the country exists or at best thinks of anything else but Toronto issues. Atantic areas being forgotten, Quebec's self centered whinning, the east only knowing there's good skiing out west, the west thinking who the hell are these easterners anyway, and none of us having a clue that our country extends thousands of miles to the north, in fact most likely don't know we have 3 territories or their names....
We've go some work to do!!!
It depends on the location..but I have come across many who know no more than their province at best. They may know other places by name but have very little to no information on them. I have known a great number of people who are sure there are no English in Quebec, and no French outside it. That all maritimers fish, That Alberta is cowboys and oil..no more... that Sack and Manitoba are flat (only parts are) ...
People in the Toronto area how think gun control is on everyones minds constantly, ..it's a very regional country. Unlike our neight\bours to the south who will be born in Minn. and die in Florida we are much more likely to stay put, or atleast stay within the province.
This is partly why Quebec and Ontario seem to run the show... Partly they are bigger yes but mainly because the rest of the country does not enter their thoughts..
Regional Canada
One of the issues for our Party is the, as you say, neglect of this region. Atlantic Canada was a wealthy, thriving and growing region, until Confederation. With Confederation that seems to have all gone away, mostly due the notion that 'nation building' means Ontario-Quebec building.
Does Atlantic Canada have to be impoverished to be part of Canada?
Does Atlantic Canada have to seek another arrangement in order to be come an economic success? We don't know yet.
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One of the issues for our Party is the, as you say, neglect of this region. Atlantic Canada was a wealthy, thriving and growing region, until Confederation. With Confederation that seems to have all gone away, mostly due the notion that 'nation building' means Ontario-Quebec building.
Does Atlantic Canada have to be impoverished to be part of Canada?
Does Atlantic Canada have to seek another arrangement in order to be come an economic success? We don't know yet.
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I agree except, that as I also hear with Quebec politics you are talking about the glorious past..Thats fine, but you need a future outlook moreso then to talk of the glory days..Some of the Atlantic downturn was movement of population. There was a time when British North America was mainly the east coast with very few people in Ontario and even fewer beyond. The main mode of travel was boat and fish were the main stay of many diets here and europe...
There are many more influences than just Quebec and Ontario's might...even though they have both acted very high and mighty over the course of this countries existance
There are many more influences than just Quebec and Ontario's might...even though they have both acted very high and mighty over the course of this countries existance
True. It was a look to a successful past to encourage us not to be discouraged about having a successful future. There is nothing inherently wrong with Atlantic Canada.
Also true. Still it was on Quebec and Ontario's 'watch' that Atlantic Canada declined while they have done extremely well. The real problem however is that Quebec and Ontario, presently, have no plans to do anything about Atlantic Canada. And that is very disturbing.
The complaints of each province, like the states south of you solved a basic problem
that Canadians get too many complicated solutions to.
Heaven forbid if you copy the States' solution.
Each state has 2 senators equal to each other state no matter how big or how small.
The House is then based on population.
It's a simple answer that gets both equal attention for all. AND gives weight
to population size.
Anything else seems to be a lot of intricate tinkering leaving no one happy,
that Canadians get too many complicated solutions to.
Heaven forbid if you copy the States' solution.
Each state has 2 senators equal to each other state no matter how big or how small.
The House is then based on population.
It's a simple answer that gets both equal attention for all. AND gives weight
to population size.
Anything else seems to be a lot of intricate tinkering leaving no one happy,
We should add one more step to that in as much as we should either directly vote for a prime minister, or the power's of the P.M. should be reduced.
As it sits now we vote for a local rep who has not power or authority and must be whipped to the P.M.'s beconing. Since the P.M. was only voted for by one riding why should he/she has so much power. We don't do this municpally? One local counciller does not became the city cheif, rather we vote for a leader who's skills are able to get different oppinoins from different parties together for a greater good...
If that was the case we would not have a money province ramming things down the throat of a lesser province Since the smaller provinces combined have a greater voting power then indiviual large provinces..
Awright, your earnest look at the details is good.
BUT !!!
Let's pull back way from the detail of each tree.
Let's pull way way back and look at the whole forest.
Let's not tinker with the details.
I seriously doubt that direct election of an executive (your Prime Minister or our President)
will accomplish any difference than indirect election does.
America only since 1913 directly elected its Senators. Before that, our state legislatures
would elect our Senators. We've got same results either way.
Both methods seem to accomplish the same miserable results, n'est pas ?
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And while we've emancipated ourselves from excruciating mind numbing details
we might again look at this forest from a distance.
And what do we see ?
Mere mortals beholding to constituent groups who demand loyalty and credit
for getting them into office.
The age old issue arises when it takes a discerning ability to decide whether to
represent your constituents or LEAD them.
BUT !!!
Let's pull back way from the detail of each tree.
Let's pull way way back and look at the whole forest.
Let's not tinker with the details.
I seriously doubt that direct election of an executive (your Prime Minister or our President)
will accomplish any difference than indirect election does.
America only since 1913 directly elected its Senators. Before that, our state legislatures
would elect our Senators. We've got same results either way.
Both methods seem to accomplish the same miserable results, n'est pas ?
-------------------------------
And while we've emancipated ourselves from excruciating mind numbing details
we might again look at this forest from a distance.
And what do we see ?
Mere mortals beholding to constituent groups who demand loyalty and credit
for getting them into office.
The age old issue arises when it takes a discerning ability to decide whether to
represent your constituents or LEAD them.
Excellent point! Check out our suggested political reforms that answer this. www.atlanticaparty.ca