Israeli F-35s

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Is that how you repair your damaged shoes????????????????????????


Should we assume your Fairy Pee is corrosive?????????????????????


Or that it has attracted Wood Peckers to your feet????????????????????


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Picture Comrade Curious flapping his way down the street......


while kicking at Fairy Wood Peckers..........................


who are messing on his shoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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No you're not
Otherwise you you would spell it Ojibwe or Ojibwa






IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You have just presented TWO DIFFERENT SPELLINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While DENYING MY more traditional spelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Typical LIE-beral ARROGANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU KNEW WHO I MEANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Been up that close have you? What flavor do they remind you of?




What???????????????????????


WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING not to know.............................................


the answer to that yourself?????????????????

 

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Is that how you repair your damaged shoes????????????????????????


Should we assume your Fairy Pee is corrosive?????????????????????


Or that it has attracted Wood Peckers to your feet????????????????????


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Picture Comrade Curious flapping his way down the street......


while kicking at Fairy Wood Peckers..........................


who are messing on his shoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you say that you're a spokesperson for Lockheed Martin?

Lobbiests ain't what they used to be, eh?
 

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Did you say that you're a spokesperson for Lockheed Martin?

Lobbiests ain't what they used to be, eh?




Oh I never said anything about being a spokesman for anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



All I VOLUNTARILY SEEK to represent is LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Something you seem not to be acquainted with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Although given your various comments about Fairy Pee...................................


I wonder if you dont have aspirations to become a



spokesman for a Brewery???????????????????????????












Here is an article illustrating how little real interest LIE-berals have in Cdn national security or sovereignty. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Naval ships all sight, no fight.

By Robert Smol.

Special to Toronto Sun. Published: October 14, 2018. Updated: October 14, 2018 4:39 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

Canada finally launched the first of its Arctic Offshore Patrol Vessels (AOPV) earlier this month.

HMCS Harry DeWolf was formally named by Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, who stated in her speech that she looked forward to hearing about the crew’s “triumphs as they embark on this new chapter in our navy’s proud history.”

(Is it not telling that LIE-berals made sure that the first new ships the navy gets will be the ones LEAST LIKELY to ever encounter a REAL THREAT such as a Russian or Chinese or Iranian navy vessel?)

But whatever triumphs the AOPVs might rack up in the years to come will not be in the area of naval combat.

These new ships represent our navy’s first and, to date, only effort to provide a dedicated Canadian military presence in Arctic waters. Whether we like it or not, this new ship and its capabilities represent this nation’s intentions when it comes to control of the Arctic and the enormous coastal waters that we rightfully claim.

This is why we must fully understand what our new Arctic ships are capable of doing.





And it seems they will be doing quite a bit in terms of surveillance, situational awareness, and support to other governmental agencies. But only as long as there is no actual combat fighting involved.

(Basically the new ships are glorified life boats designed to come to the aid of stranded cruise ships that are plying Arctic waters in increasing numbers!)

(And the new Cdn ships are also intended to rescue stranded Inuit such as the 4 goofs who went out in a 14 ft aluminum boat just before a gale blew in and stranded them on a ice floe!)

( The only available Cdn rescue helicopter had to fly from Nova Scotia up past Hudson Bay- while a Cdn Forces Hercules flew up from Trenton to drop some gear and a couple of military SAR techs by parachute to the stranded Inuit as the weather worsened and their ice floe began to break up!)

(The weather got so bad that one of the military SAR men DIED while on the floe! Eventually after more than a week, the Cdn military copter managed to rescue the group!)

As these ships enter service, the Canadian public needs to take ownership of the fact that our new Arctic ships are not designed to go to war. They are all sight and no fight, and do not have the capability to defend themselves against most air, surface or subsurface threats.

This was made crystal clear in November 2014 when Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, then commander of Canada’s navy, stated before the House of Commons Defence Committee that these new ships are “not being built to deal with the Russians” and they are only meant to provide a “naval presence.”

(As previously mentioned- the new ships are glorified life boats! LIE-berals DO NOT APPROVE of Cdns possessing weapons of any sort! And LIE-beral defense policy is to rely on Yankees for all needs related to defending our sovereignty!)

By way of armament, the Harry DeWolf patrol boats will be equipped with a single 25-mm machine gun which is designed to provide protection against small speed boats. So, it should not come as a surprise that the navy has designated these ships as filling a “constabulary role.”

(Basically they can deal with drug smugglers- IF they are fast enough to catch them!)

(Some Cdns will recall the Turbot War-with Spanish trawlers fishing illegally on Grand Banks for Cod and Turbot and basically thumbing their noses at RCMP trying to board the Spaniards from their inflatable boats! It was not till Cdn destroyers were moved in to back up RCMP rubber boats- that Spanish fishermen began to take notice of new Cdn fishing laws!)

(The really ugly part of the Turbot War was that Spanish fishermen EXPECTED THEIR NAVY to back them up against Canada- and ONLY the threat of action by CDN CF 18 fighters against the Spanish Navy PREVENTED Spaniards from bullying Cdns in their own home waters!)

(Fortunately the LIE-beral Chretien govt had been SHAMED into equipping some of the jets with bomb racks shortly before the Turbot War began! Otherwise the CF 18`s would not have been able to attack a ship!)

(The Pierre Trudeau LIE-beral govt - that had been shamed into buying the jets- had deliberately avoided buying bomb racks for the jets- so they could not attack anything on the ground or in the water! Just the usual LIE-beral hostility to anything military!)

No doubt the navy’s leadership have covered their “sterns” when it comes to making it clear what these ships can, and cannot do.

Can such pacifist “constabulary” naval patrol ships be the norm among our NATO allies currently patrolling their coasts in and around their respective Arctic territories? Absolutely not!

And when making realistic comparisons, we would do best if we stay within our league of capability and look at how our ships stand up to, or sink, when compared to other small NATO navies operating in the region.

Denmark, like Canada, faces the challenge of patrolling and protecting a combined land mass (Greenland and the Faroe Islands) far out of proportion to its southern metropolis. In recent years, Denmark has faced this challenge with the completion of three Knud Rasmussen class of Ocean Patrol Ships.

Though slightly smaller than Canada’s Arctic patrol ships, the Royal Danish Navy’s vessels are armed with an Otobreda 76-mm main gun as well as two 12.7-mm Browning machine guns. The Danish patrol ships are also fitted to fire Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM) and have torpedoes. These Danish ships are equipped to protect themselves if necessary.

(In other words the Danish ships are capable of taking on a typical rusted out and very obsolete Cdn destroyer! When Russia invaded Ukraine- the flagship of the Cdn Atlantic fleet was sent to join NATO Forces in the Black Sea- a series of devastating engine fires early in the trip- persuaded the Cdn navy brass that their flagship was so rusted out it was not fit to leave harbour ever again!)

(Even worse- a couple of relatively new Cdn Frigates took part in the latest NATO military exercises off the Norway coast and of course one of the Cdn Frigates had to be towed to harbour after an engine fire!)

And while Canada’s Arctic ships are still a long way to being fully operational, two of Denmark’s three Arctic patrol ships have been active off the of Greenland over the last two months. These three Danish patrol ships are only a small part of the country’s recently completed fleet modernization.

Elsewhere tiny, social democratic Norway’s answer to its coastal defence challenges is represented, in part, by its fleet of six ultra-fast Skjold Stealth Missile Corvettes each one wielding a 76-mm cannon, eight Kongsberg surface to surface missiles, plus additional Mistral Surface to Air Missile system. The ship also has the Kongsberg M151 Protector Remote Weapon Station, and two 12.7mm machine guns. Certainly not the Canadian way of coastal defence, eh!

Hopefully, as our new naval ships bravely set sail each with their single machine gun, equipped to do battle with small speed boats, Canada can hopefully continue to draw on the goodwill and sacrifice of our well-armed Danish and Norwegian NATO allies to join the United States in providing armed cover to our shiny new constabulary ships.

(It is reports like this one that has prompted Yankee Donald Trump to call Canada a NATO SLACKER! And it did not help our image that Cdn LIE-berals simply assumed that Yankees would protect us from North Korean missiles using their Patriot Missile system that LIE-berals so often mocked a a costly waste of money in years past!)

Happy sailing!

— Robert Smol holds a graduate degree from the Royal Military College of Canada and served in the Canadian Armed Forces for over 20 years. He is currently a teacher and writer in Toronto.
 

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Oh I never said anything about being a spokesman for anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



All I VOLUNTARILY SEEK to represent is LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Something you seem not to be acquainted with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Although given your various comments about Fairy Pee...................................


I wonder if you dont have aspirations to become a



spokesman for a Brewery???????????????????????????
Here is an article illustrating how little real interest LIE-berals have in Cdn national security or sovereignty. With some comments of my own in brackets):
Naval ships all sight, no fight.
By Robert Smol.
Special to Toronto Sun. Published: October 14, 2018. Updated: October 14, 2018 4:39 PM EDT
Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada
Canada finally launched the first of its Arctic Offshore Patrol Vessels (AOPV) earlier this month.
HMCS Harry DeWolf was formally named by Sophie Grégoire Trudeau, who stated in her speech that she looked forward to hearing about the crew’s “triumphs as they embark on this new chapter in our navy’s proud history.”
(Is it not telling that LIE-berals made sure that the first new ships the navy gets will be the ones LEAST LIKELY to ever encounter a REAL THREAT such as a Russian or Chinese or Iranian navy vessel?)
But whatever triumphs the AOPVs might rack up in the years to come will not be in the area of naval combat.
These new ships represent our navy’s first and, to date, only effort to provide a dedicated Canadian military presence in Arctic waters. Whether we like it or not, this new ship and its capabilities represent this nation’s intentions when it comes to control of the Arctic and the enormous coastal waters that we rightfully claim.
This is why we must fully understand what our new Arctic ships are capable of doing.
And it seems they will be doing quite a bit in terms of surveillance, situational awareness, and support to other governmental agencies. But only as long as there is no actual combat fighting involved.
(Basically the new ships are glorified life boats designed to come to the aid of stranded cruise ships that are plying Arctic waters in increasing numbers!)
(And the new Cdn ships are also intended to rescue stranded Inuit such as the 4 goofs who went out in a 14 ft aluminum boat just before a gale blew in and stranded them on a ice floe!)
( The only available Cdn rescue helicopter had to fly from Nova Scotia up past Hudson Bay- while a Cdn Forces Hercules flew up from Trenton to drop some gear and a couple of military SAR techs by parachute to the stranded Inuit as the weather worsened and their ice floe began to break up!)
(The weather got so bad that one of the military SAR men DIED while on the floe! Eventually after more than a week, the Cdn military copter managed to rescue the group!)
As these ships enter service, the Canadian public needs to take ownership of the fact that our new Arctic ships are not designed to go to war. They are all sight and no fight, and do not have the capability to defend themselves against most air, surface or subsurface threats.
This was made crystal clear in November 2014 when Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, then commander of Canada’s navy, stated before the House of Commons Defence Committee that these new ships are “not being built to deal with the Russians” and they are only meant to provide a “naval presence.”
(As previously mentioned- the new ships are glorified life boats! LIE-berals DO NOT APPROVE of Cdns possessing weapons of any sort! And LIE-beral defense policy is to rely on Yankees for all needs related to defending our sovereignty!)
By way of armament, the Harry DeWolf patrol boats will be equipped with a single 25-mm machine gun which is designed to provide protection against small speed boats. So, it should not come as a surprise that the navy has designated these ships as filling a “constabulary role.”
(Basically they can deal with drug smugglers- IF they are fast enough to catch them!)
(Some Cdns will recall the Turbot War-with Spanish trawlers fishing illegally on Grand Banks for Cod and Turbot and basically thumbing their noses at RCMP trying to board the Spaniards from their inflatable boats! It was not till Cdn destroyers were moved in to back up RCMP rubber boats- that Spanish fishermen began to take notice of new Cdn fishing laws!)
(The really ugly part of the Turbot War was that Spanish fishermen EXPECTED THEIR NAVY to back them up against Canada- and ONLY the threat of action by CDN CF 18 fighters against the Spanish Navy PREVENTED Spaniards from bullying Cdns in their own home waters!)
(Fortunately the LIE-beral Chretien govt had been SHAMED into equipping some of the jets with bomb racks shortly before the Turbot War began! Otherwise the CF 18`s would not have been able to attack a ship!)
(The Pierre Trudeau LIE-beral govt - that had been shamed into buying the jets- had deliberately avoided buying bomb racks for the jets- so they could not attack anything on the ground or in the water! Just the usual LIE-beral hostility to anything military!)
No doubt the navy’s leadership have covered their “sterns” when it comes to making it clear what these ships can, and cannot do.
Can such pacifist “constabulary” naval patrol ships be the norm among our NATO allies currently patrolling their coasts in and around their respective Arctic territories? Absolutely not!
And when making realistic comparisons, we would do best if we stay within our league of capability and look at how our ships stand up to, or sink, when compared to other small NATO navies operating in the region.
Denmark, like Canada, faces the challenge of patrolling and protecting a combined land mass (Greenland and the Faroe Islands) far out of proportion to its southern metropolis. In recent years, Denmark has faced this challenge with the completion of three Knud Rasmussen class of Ocean Patrol Ships.
Though slightly smaller than Canada’s Arctic patrol ships, the Royal Danish Navy’s vessels are armed with an Otobreda 76-mm main gun as well as two 12.7-mm Browning machine guns. The Danish patrol ships are also fitted to fire Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM) and have torpedoes. These Danish ships are equipped to protect themselves if necessary.
(In other words the Danish ships are capable of taking on a typical rusted out and very obsolete Cdn destroyer! When Russia invaded Ukraine- the flagship of the Cdn Atlantic fleet was sent to join NATO Forces in the Black Sea- a series of devastating engine fires early in the trip- persuaded the Cdn navy brass that their flagship was so rusted out it was not fit to leave harbour ever again!)
(Even worse- a couple of relatively new Cdn Frigates took part in the latest NATO military exercises off the Norway coast and of course one of the Cdn Frigates had to be towed to harbour after an engine fire!)
And while Canada’s Arctic ships are still a long way to being fully operational, two of Denmark’s three Arctic patrol ships have been active off the of Greenland over the last two months. These three Danish patrol ships are only a small part of the country’s recently completed fleet modernization.
Elsewhere tiny, social democratic Norway’s answer to its coastal defence challenges is represented, in part, by its fleet of six ultra-fast Skjold Stealth Missile Corvettes each one wielding a 76-mm cannon, eight Kongsberg surface to surface missiles, plus additional Mistral Surface to Air Missile system. The ship also has the Kongsberg M151 Protector Remote Weapon Station, and two 12.7mm machine guns. Certainly not the Canadian way of coastal defence, eh!
Hopefully, as our new naval ships bravely set sail each with their single machine gun, equipped to do battle with small speed boats, Canada can hopefully continue to draw on the goodwill and sacrifice of our well-armed Danish and Norwegian NATO allies to join the United States in providing armed cover to our shiny new constabulary ships.
(It is reports like this one that has prompted Yankee Donald Trump to call Canada a NATO SLACKER! And it did not help our image that Cdn LIE-berals simply assumed that Yankees would protect us from North Korean missiles using their Patriot Missile system that LIE-berals so often mocked a a costly waste of money in years past!)
Happy sailing!
— Robert Smol holds a graduate degree from the Royal Military College of Canada and served in the Canadian Armed Forces for over 20 years. He is currently a teacher and writer in Toronto.
Those AOPs ships look like general purpose naval transport vessels that happen to have a moderate ice breaking capability. They are simple "Swiss Army Knifes" that will spend more time landing small parties of troops in exercises off of Nova Scotia then rescuing Inuit hunters. I'll bet that one or two of them will end up being transferred to the Coast Guard anyway (sans 25 mm chain guns) as the Coast Guard's ship construction program is in even worse shape than the Navy's (if that is even possible).
 

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F35 m.i.a.
Jap fleet grounded.
A Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-35A fighter jet has gone missing off the coast of northern Japan, with a search mission now underway.
Local media reported that contact with the Lockheed Martin-made stealth fighter was lost just before 7:30 p.m. local time, with the aircraft’s last reported location identified over the Pacific Ocean about miles 85 miles east of Misawa city in Aomori prefecture, in the northern part of Japan’s main island of Honshu.
Japan’s national public broadcaster, NHK, quoting Japan Air Self-Defense Force officials, reported that the missing F-35A was one of four JASDF F-35As that had taken off from nearby Misawa Air Base for a training mission at 7:00 p.m. local time.
More
https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...s 04.09.19&utm_term=Editorial - Breaking News

3 months later.
Japanese f35 fleet considered airworthy and operational once again.
amazing!
 
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3 months later.
Japanese f35 fleet considered airworthy and operational once again.
amazing!




Poor Nut Zone Doug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He is NOT AWARE that his Soviet propaganda predecessors.................................


SAID EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS.


about the F 18 when it was introduced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that turned out JUST FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And his predecessors said the same thing about the Aegis cruiser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now it`s radars and missile defenses are the STANDARD for all cruiser and destroyer designs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Soviet propaganda meisters said the same thing about the "absurd" Star Wars missile shield!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that now works EVEN BETTER than expected...................................


after the Israelis improved it into the Iron Dome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AND THERE IS the problem for Nut Zone Doug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


His SOVIET Chinese masters have NO MILITARY ANSWER...........................



to the F 35!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hence the DESPERATE PROPAGANDA EFFORT.................................


to persuade NATO NOT to adopt the weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is one thing if your own military is scorning a weapon....................................


but its QUITE ANOTHER IF YOUR ENEMIES WANT THE WEAPON JUNKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BECAUSE YOUR ENEMIES FEAR the weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nut Zone Doug KNOWS this.....................................


and simply prays nobody will ASK HIM ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nut Zone Doug....................the classic SOVIET MAROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Curious Cdn

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Poor Nut Zone Doug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He is NOT AWARE that his Soviet propaganda predecessors.................................


SAID EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS.


about the F 18 when it was introduced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that turned out JUST FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And his predecessors said the same thing about the Aegis cruiser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now it`s radars and missile defenses are the STANDARD for all cruiser and destroyer designs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Soviet propaganda meisters said the same thing about the "absurd" Star Wars missile shield!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that now works EVEN BETTER than expected...................................


after the Israelis improved it into the Iron Dome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND THERE IS the problem for Nut Zone Doug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His SOVIET Chinese masters have NO MILITARY ANSWER...........................
to the F 35!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hence the DESPERATE PROPAGANDA EFFORT.................................
to persuade NATO NOT to adopt the weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is one thing if your own military is scorning a weapon....................................
but its QUITE ANOTHER IF YOUR ENEMIES WANT THE WEAPON JUNKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BECAUSE YOUR ENEMIES FEAR the weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nut Zone Doug KNOWS this.....................................
and simply prays nobody will ASK HIM ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nut Zone Doug....................the classic SOVIET MAROON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you sell these things, by any chance?
 

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OH, NO !
The f35 skin peels off!
I hate it when that happens......
“As we reported last week, the presumptive Defense Secretary, Mark Esper, said in his written answers to the Senate Armed Services Committee that the F-35 would not meet the 80 percent readiness rate because, primarily, of problems with the canopies. Here’s a shortened version of the email exchange I had with Brandi Schiff, the F-35 program spokeswoman:
Q1.) What are the problems with the cockpit transparencies?
A1.) The primary source of unserviceable canopies is transparency coating delamination. Delamination occurs when the surface coatings on the canopy separate from the base transparency. Though this condition occurs through normal use, several transparencies have delaminated unexpectedly after only a couple hundred flight hours of use. This issue does not impact the airworthiness of the canopy or aircraft.
The problem is the delamination — that is, the coating peeling away from the plane’s surface — affects the F-35’s stealth characteristics, which may mean the plane’s radar cross section is affected.
I asked when and how will they be fixed? Her answer:
A2.) The (Defense) Department is working closely with Lockheed Martin and their subcontractor GKN Aerospace to get GKN’s production processes under control to improve yield. A combined F-35 JPO/LM/GKN engineering and program management team are investigating every aspect of the design and manufacturing process in search of the root cause (or causes) of early delaminations. Recent findings suggest that the principle cause is a change to the sealant between the transparency and the aircraft frame introduced in 2015 as a cost saving measure, which can be corrected by reverting to the previously used sealant. Canopies are now being delivered with the correct sealant, and the number of early delaminations is expected to decrease as a result. The correction will be verified after modified canopies have been delivered to the fleet and achieved several hundred flight hours without delamination.”
https://breakingdefense.com/2019/07...7.24.19&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief
 

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OH, NO !
The f35 skin peels off!
I hate it when that happens......
“As we reported last week, the presumptive Defense Secretary, Mark Esper, said in his written answers to the Senate Armed Services Committee that the F-35 would not meet the 80 percent readiness rate because, primarily, of problems with the canopies. Here’s a shortened version of the email exchange I had with Brandi Schiff, the F-35 program spokeswoman:
Q1.) What are the problems with the cockpit transparencies?
A1.) The primary source of unserviceable canopies is transparency coating delamination. Delamination occurs when the surface coatings on the canopy separate from the base transparency. Though this condition occurs through normal use, several transparencies have delaminated unexpectedly after only a couple hundred flight hours of use. This issue does not impact the airworthiness of the canopy or aircraft.
The problem is the delamination — that is, the coating peeling away from the plane’s surface — affects the F-35’s stealth characteristics, which may mean the plane’s radar cross section is affected.
I asked when and how will they be fixed? Her answer:
A2.) The (Defense) Department is working closely with Lockheed Martin and their subcontractor GKN Aerospace to get GKN’s production processes under control to improve yield. A combined F-35 JPO/LM/GKN engineering and program management team are investigating every aspect of the design and manufacturing process in search of the root cause (or causes) of early delaminations. Recent findings suggest that the principle cause is a change to the sealant between the transparency and the aircraft frame introduced in 2015 as a cost saving measure, which can be corrected by reverting to the previously used sealant. Canopies are now being delivered with the correct sealant, and the number of early delaminations is expected to decrease as a result. The correction will be verified after modified canopies have been delivered to the fleet and achieved several hundred flight hours without delamination.”
https://breakingdefense.com/2019/07...7.24.19&utm_term=Editorial - Early Bird Brief






POOR Nut Zone Doug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He is TRYING SO VERY HARD............................................


to persuade Yankees and others to DISARM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nut Zone Doug wants us all just to SURRENDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


To the Butchers of Beijing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The F 35 debate IS OLD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The SAME KIND OF DEBATE RAGED in WW2......................................................


over the Yankee P-38 fighter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The thing was a FLYING FIRE HAZARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The engine cooling system was flawed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even if the engines didnt catch fire..................................................


the engines would often self destruct for reasons related to lubrication!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yet P-38 fighters shot down MORE Japanese aircraft than any other Yankee fighter type!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When all went right with P 38 it was a FEARSOME WEAPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Yankees DID iron out the bugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is this Yankee persistence that scares the crap out of Soviet Asshats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The P-38 fighter COULD NOT MEET the 80 percent readiness rule either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But Yankee air force in the Pacific grabbed up EVERY P 38 they could get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Having those TWIN ENGINES while flying over the Shark infested Pacific Ocean...............................


was something pilots DEFINITELY WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the fact is that a P 38 with one engine shot out...................................


WAS STILL FAST ENOUGH to fly away from a Japanese fighter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just put the P 38 - with one engine out - into a shallow dive and leave your enemy troubles behind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such an ability to GET AWAY and live to fight another day.........................................


was something all pilots WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The F 35 HAS ITS VIRTUES......................................


which is WHY NUT ZONE DOUG is working so very hard................................................


on behalf of his SOVIET MASTERS...............................


to disparage a weapon that BADLY FRIGHTENS the Beijing Butchers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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3 months later.
Japanese f35 fleet considered airworthy and operational once again.
amazing!


They're practising crashing them into American Aircraft carriers as we post!

Banzai!!!!

Run, run, Running Dog!!!

Tora Tora Tora!!!
 

NZDoug

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OH, NO!
DO NOT BUY IT!
Remember the Bomarc!
A good article explaining what a peice of crap the F35 is.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/...ram.html?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral
An important measure of the cost, sustainability and value of the new jet is its total operating cost. In 2018, flying an F-35A cost about $44,000 per hour on average — about double the cost of operating the Navy’s Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Some of the military’s top officials, including Gen. Dave Goldfein, the Air Force’s chief of staff, and former Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson, have complained that it is too expensive to fly and maintain the F-35, raising the possibility that the service may have to buy fewer of them if costs don’t shrink.
In 2018, Goldfein called the F-35 “a computer that happens to fly” — a popular characterization among F-35 advocates, highlighting the plane’s ability to collect and analyze data in order to knock out enemy planes and missiles. But as China develops its own stealth fighters and pumps government money into research on supercomputing and artificial intelligence, the Pentagon is wondering how it can continue to give F-35 technology a competitive edge against America’s adversaries.
One solution favored by Winter during his recent tenure was so-called agile software development. His vision for “continuous capability development and delivery” resembles DevOps, a popular method in the private sector for quickly testing and evaluating features for new products. Coders generate software upgrades or patches in a matter of days or weeks, pass them along to users to test and then push out the update more widely if the changes are successful. That speed would be a major improvement on the months, or in some cases a year or more, that it can take defense contractors to deliver a software patch right now.
Winter also made it a priority to push for drastic streamlining in the process for testing new software in the F-35. Under the existing procedures, the Pentagon can require test flights for more than 300 different factors or functions when a new software load is installed. Winter worked to cut that down to a single validation flight, to test just the software and the systems it affects, rather than retesting the performance of the whole aircraft. A trial program staffed with a team of Air Force and Lockheed coders proved that the method works and doesn’t put pilots at risk, and Winter’s rapid software development strategy is now being implemented. But moving to an agile software approach for the F-35 presents a huge challenge for the sluggish and bureaucratic military acquisition system, and there’s no blueprint for how to integrate it alongside the traditional processes for developing and testing hardware.
As with all stories involving the tangled web that is the Pentagon bureaucracy, it’s tempting to try to look for a hidden root behind all the problems — greedy corporate executives, corrupt generals, the military-industrial complex itself. But those closest to the F-35 program, the engineers, software developers and midlevel managers, express the same things over and over. Frustration that the tremendous scope of the program keeps them from being able to do more to fix it; and a wounded sense of pride for the impressive technological advances they have achieved, but that often seem lost in the intractable tangle of complications and setbacks.
 

spilledthebeer

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OH, NO!
DO NOT BUY IT!
Remember the Bomarc!
A good article explaining what a peice of crap the F35 is.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/...ram.html?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral
An important measure of the cost, sustainability and value of the new jet is its total operating cost. In 2018, flying an F-35A cost about $44,000 per hour on average — about double the cost of operating the Navy’s Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Some of the military’s top officials, including Gen. Dave Goldfein, the Air Force’s chief of staff, and former Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson, have complained that it is too expensive to fly and maintain the F-35, raising the possibility that the service may have to buy fewer of them if costs don’t shrink.
In 2018, Goldfein called the F-35 “a computer that happens to fly” — a popular characterization among F-35 advocates, highlighting the plane’s ability to collect and analyze data in order to knock out enemy planes and missiles. But as China develops its own stealth fighters and pumps government money into research on supercomputing and artificial intelligence, the Pentagon is wondering how it can continue to give F-35 technology a competitive edge against America’s adversaries.
One solution favored by Winter during his recent tenure was so-called agile software development. His vision for “continuous capability development and delivery” resembles DevOps, a popular method in the private sector for quickly testing and evaluating features for new products. Coders generate software upgrades or patches in a matter of days or weeks, pass them along to users to test and then push out the update more widely if the changes are successful. That speed would be a major improvement on the months, or in some cases a year or more, that it can take defense contractors to deliver a software patch right now.
Winter also made it a priority to push for drastic streamlining in the process for testing new software in the F-35. Under the existing procedures, the Pentagon can require test flights for more than 300 different factors or functions when a new software load is installed. Winter worked to cut that down to a single validation flight, to test just the software and the systems it affects, rather than retesting the performance of the whole aircraft. A trial program staffed with a team of Air Force and Lockheed coders proved that the method works and doesn’t put pilots at risk, and Winter’s rapid software development strategy is now being implemented. But moving to an agile software approach for the F-35 presents a huge challenge for the sluggish and bureaucratic military acquisition system, and there’s no blueprint for how to integrate it alongside the traditional processes for developing and testing hardware.
As with all stories involving the tangled web that is the Pentagon bureaucracy, it’s tempting to try to look for a hidden root behind all the problems — greedy corporate executives, corrupt generals, the military-industrial complex itself. But those closest to the F-35 program, the engineers, software developers and midlevel managers, express the same things over and over. Frustration that the tremendous scope of the program keeps them from being able to do more to fix it; and a wounded sense of pride for the impressive technological advances they have achieved, but that often seem lost in the intractable tangle of complications and setbacks.






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RED CHINESE AGENT......................................................


and DEDICATED SLAVE to Soviet Masters.........................................


Nut Zone Doug.......................................................



RAVES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nut Zone Doug BITTERLY OBJECTS to Yankees ..........................................


spending a PILE OF MONEY ........................................................


on weapons that RED CHINA cannot defeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our caring and concerned SOVIET ASSHAT advocates in support of CHEAP WEAPONS..................................


that will make the tax burden for Yankees much lighter.......................................


UNTIL the Supreme Soviet gets around to ENSLAVING......................................


the DEFEATED AND DISARMED WEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nut Zone Doug advocates programs and policies.................................


that will leave us all helpless in the face of Soviet aggression and bullying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



POOR Nut Zone Doug.......................................


he CANNOT DEFEND the VAST SLAVE LABOUR CAMP and human staffed ANT COLONY.....................................


that is RED CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So he whines about weapons that are DANGEROUS....................................


TO HIS SOVIET ASSHAT PALS led by the Beijing Butchers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE ONLY REASON Bejing has not sent in the army to SLAUGHTER........................................


the "politically incorrect and rebellious terrorists" of Hong Kong............................................


is the Beijing FEAR of an expanded trade war against them....................................



AS THE PRICE of murderous Soviet intolerance of democracy advocates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!