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spilledthebeer

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at any rate the next one will not be fought in canada and will not not be influenced one way or the other by our participation.

while our need for fire fighting aircraft will only increase

we will devote billions to fighters that are of no use to any one and next to nothing to water and chemical bombers that would be of immense tangible benefit to canadians.

because our political system is broken and cannot be fixed




Oh HOPELESS HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Canadian participation WAS ESSENTIAL in previous wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only a sniveling , history denying, craven coward LIE-beral would dispute that point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it has been LIE-berals who were responsible for sending western troops with inadequate training and OBSOLETE WEAPONS off to fight Nazis and Imperial Japanese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One has only to read some history to understand that the war against Nazi Germany came down to TWO SHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The tankers Ohio and Proserpina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Britain was doing all it could to aid the Russian survival......................................


with Britain stretched to the absolute limit...........................................


And they needed the island of Malta as an air base to attack Nazi supplies going to North Africa.............................


but the island was OUT of food and fuel.............................................


at the same time in North Africa the Eighth Army and Africa Corps were fighting at El Alamein...................................


and a British convoy managed to get through to Malta...................................


in spite of fanatic opposition...........................................


and Malta fighters and bombers went on the offensive with the new supplies............................................


instead of surrendering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At that point Africa Corps was getting DESPERATE for fuel......................................


Rommel COULD NOT destroy Eighth Army without fuel for his tanks.........................................


and Italy sent its last best tanker - Proserpina.......................................


in a frantic run to refuel and save Africa Corps....................................


And Malta bombers sank Prosperina...................................


And Eighth Army survived..................................................


and then launched AN ATTACK OF THEIR OWN.....................................


With virtually NO fuel left- Nazi grabbed it all and fled..............................................


abandoning their Italian allies in the process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If the Malta convoy- with its critical supply of fuel had not got through..............................


Malta would have surrendered...............................................


if Malta surrendered................................................


Prosperpina would have survived and delivered its vital fuel to Rommel.......................................


and Eighth Army would have been defeated......................................


and Nazis would have marched east to occupy the Iraqi oil fields and starve Britain........................................


there would be NOTHING to stop them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AND Nazis would have kept going through Iran and Iraq- both countries being as anti western then as they are now..................


and Rommel would have invaded the vital Russian oil fields of the Caucasus............................................


and that lack of fuel would have crippled the Russian war effort!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nazi Germany ended up losing the war because of two ships...........................................


one survived at a critical time.................................................................


and one sunk at a critical time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For want of a nail the shoe was lost.......................................


and for want of the shoe the horse was lost................................................


and for want of the horse the war was lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And thanks to decades of POISONED LIE-beral immigration policy...........................................


THE NEXT WAR IS BEING FOUGHT RIGHT HERE IN Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The people killed on Danforth Ave are merely the LATEST Cdn casualties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Islam is at war with the west!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Curious Cdn

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Military allows F-35 to be promoted at fighter jet base in midst of $19B competition
All the bidders should have a plane for everyone to compare, The US should allow us to have a few Raptors in our arsenal.
This would be the first single engine jet fighter for the RCAF since the Vampires in the late 1940s. Twin engine is an old and very sensible spec. for an air force that has to operate between the 42nd parallel and the North Pole. (Are the Americans patrolling their vast Alaskan airspace with single engine F-35s? Of course not. That would be silly.) This plane doesn't meet even the basic RCAF spec. of a twin engine aircraft that they've had for two thirds of a century and it should NEVER have been on the list, at all. Peter McKay did it for whatever personal and political motivation that he had but it made so little sense from the beginning and the whole process does not pass the smell test.

This is totally the wrong aircraft for this country, unless we get back into the business of operating carriers again and there is rather slight chance of that happening.

P.S., it is so bizarrely overpriced that no one will be able to buy many of them. That will seriously weaken the abilities of our alliances if we and our allies can only fly a couple of dozen aircraft per country at any given time.

What a tur k ey.

What a monumental con job, too.
 

Hoid

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they are actually priced about right for what they are.

f18s were costed in at about $30 million each back in the day. the math there is roughly correct
 

Curious Cdn

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they are actually priced about right for what they are.
f18s were costed in at about $30 million each back in the day. the math there is roughly correct
Canada built a fleet of 138 of them If we pull out all the stops and money is no object, we replace that with 60 hyper-sophisticated hanger queens. We'll be lucky if there are 10 working fighter planes at any given moment in the whole country, considering the constant tinkering that will have to be done on those technological marvels.

The Russians are not so stupid. They produce aircraft that are not quite as sexy but are tough, reliable and maintainable in rough circumstances and they are quite capable of emptying out the skies over a NATO that is armed with some dozens of those flimsy thoroughbreds.
 

Hoid

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still 30 millionish in the late 70s would be 300 millionish these days.


i could not agree more that buying these things is a massive error in judgement, but so was buying the f18s
 

Twin_Moose

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This would be the first single engine jet fighter for the RCAF since the Vampires in the late 1940s. Twin engine is an old and very sensible spec. for an air force that has to operate between the 42nd parallel and the North Pole. (Are the Americans patrolling their vast Alaskan airspace with single engine F-35s? Of course not. That would be silly.) This plane doesn't meet even the basic RCAF spec. of a twin engine aircraft that they've had for two thirds of a century and it should NEVER have been on the list, at all. Peter McKay did it for whatever personal and political motivation that he had but it made so little sense from the beginning and the whole process does not pass the smell test.
This is totally the wrong aircraft for this country, unless we get back into the business of operating carriers again and there is rather slight chance of that happening.
P.S., it is so bizarrely overpriced that no one will be able to buy many of them. That will seriously weaken the abilities of our alliances if we and our allies can only fly a couple of dozen aircraft per country at any given time.
What a tur k ey.
What a monumental con job, too.

Sweden and Norway don't seem to be to concerned over single engine fighters
 

Curious Cdn

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Sweden and Norway don't seem to be to concerned over single engine fighters
The sortie time/distance for a Swedish or Norwegian fighter plane (Sweden borders Russia)is about ten minutes. In Canada, it's about 7 hours.

Are you really such a week critical thinker to believe our situation is in any way analagous to that of a little European country that is the size of a Prairie Province?

That's like comparing our naval requirements to those of Switzerland.
 

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Good thing we are current in our NORAD agreement, because the US will engage the enemy long before we get there, we should be looking at missile defence for the far north
 

NZDoug

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China will build a better mouse trap.
Shut the f35s wifi off, thanks Huawei.

These f35 Flying Duds are failing across the board.
$40,000.00U.S. per hour operating costs, constant failures and untreated problems, secret hidden screw ups, this baby is a dud dud dud.
Keep away.
 

Curious Cdn

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Good thing we are current in our NORAD agreement, because the US will engage the enemy long before we get there, we should be looking at missile defence for the far north
That's because we turned our 570+ fighter (200 x CF-104, 240 x CF-5, 134 x CF-101 and a crap load of old CF-100s), pre F-18, into 118 fighters and we're about to turn those into 60 F-35s.

The Americans may have the same problem as this new generation of aircraft is so expensive, they are drastically reducing the numbers of fighters they fly. BTW, they are NOT flying single engine interceptors out of Alaska and it is still "up in the air" whether the F-35 will even be used for interception at all.

It's a great plane for a Marine assault ship.
 
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Tecumsehsbones

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Military allows F-35 to be promoted at fighter jet base in midst of $19B competition
All the bidders should have a plane for everyone to compare, The US should allow us to have a few Raptors in our arsenal.
Considering that the Raptor is, sadly, dangerous, underperforming, hideously costly, buggy to the point of insanity, and both a hangar queen and a money pit, I'm surprised Donny Dodger hasn't sold you a couple dozen.

I hear he's got some F-52s he'd be willing to sell you. How 'bout it?
 

Curious Cdn

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Considering that the Raptor is, sadly, dangerous, underperforming, hideously costly, buggy to the point of insanity, and both a hangar queen and a money pit, I'm surprised Donny Dodger hasn't sold you a couple dozen.
I hear he's got some F-52s he'd be willing to sell you. How 'bout it?
The Marines seem to like them. The US Navy is going "Hmmmm" and the USAF is wishing that they had built more F-22s.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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The Marines seem to like them.
Yeah, based on the fact they don't fly them, never did, and were never planned to.

The US Navy is going "Hmmmm"
The U.S. Navy is, as always, going "Duhhhh." And given that you can't fly a Raptor off a carrier, that's actually sort of understandable.

and the USAF is wishing that they had built more F-22s.
The AF always did have a thing for cool paperweights.
 

Curious Cdn

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Yeah, based on the fact they don't fly them, never did, and were never planned to.
The U.S. Navy is, as always, going "Duhhhh." And given that you can't fly a Raptor off a carrier, that's actually sort of understandable.
The AF always did have a thing for cool paperweights.
I meant their F-35s ... crappy phraseology.
 

spilledthebeer

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Canada built a fleet of 138 of them If we pull out all the stops and money is no object, we replace that with 60 hyper-sophisticated hanger queens. We'll be lucky if there are 10 working fighter planes at any given moment in the whole country, considering the constant tinkering that will have to be done on those technological marvels.

The Russians are not so stupid. They produce aircraft that are not quite as sexy but are tough, reliable and maintainable in rough circumstances and they are quite capable of emptying out the skies over a NATO that is armed with some dozens of those flimsy thoroughbreds.




While I agree that a pilot flying out over the Beaufort Sea



would DEFINITELY WANT TWIN ENGINES.........................


and I have mentioned this choice before................................


I HAVE ALSO POINTED OUT that a fighter aircraft IS A TOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DESIGNED FOR A SPECIFIC TASK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One size DOES NOT FIT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



You CAN drive screws with a chisel....................................


or pare away wood with a screw driver.................................


but it is NOT an efficient use of tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The f 35 is an "air superiority" machine................................


designed to fly relatively safely into SERIOUS AIR DEFENSES................................


such as those existing in Syria....................................


masses of Russian and Iranian missiles....................................


masses of Russian radars.......................................


all working together to make Syrian air space lethal for conventional air craft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which IS WHY the Israelis USED F35`s in their recent Syrian raids.............................................


and defenders on the ground never even got a good look at the F35`s that attacked them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For more routine bombing missions.......................................


such as the NATO bombing campaign in Kosovo...........................................


that RCAF COULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN due to its ANTIQUE equipment.........................................


or the Coalition bombing campaign against Isis that Canada REFUSED to participate in.............................


because Our idiot Boy Justin is a SOVIET ASSHAT- also know as a "USEFUL IDIOT"..............................................


in campaigns like this.........................................


or for chasing down Soviet long range bombers prowling the CDN ARCTIC............................................


then a craft like the F18 super hornet is FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The SAD REALITY is that Our idiot BOY is dedicated to the SAME INSANE DREAM as his vile father Pierre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the Trudeau clan have this magical idea that Canada can be made safer and happier......................................


IF WE SIMPLY SURRENDER to any enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Trudeau clan wants DISARM CANADA.............................................


SCORN NATO and the Yankees....................................................


and JOIN a third world alliance against the west!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is a big part of the reason why LIE-berals want to bring as many illegals as possible into Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are building up a political and ethnic class that supports LIE-beral policy..........................................


and DESPISES THE WEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral values ARE A CANCER POISONING OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!