Systemic abuse of children

White_Unifier

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DOne by the court after conviction. Any parent that lies to the court should suffer the full punishment purgery brings. With no parole.

You still need to prove it. Lack of proof that a man raped a woman does not automatically prove that she lied. Lack of proof that a father sexually abused his child does not automatically prove that the mother coaxed the child.
 

taxslave

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Look how many good men have had their carreers ruined by being falsely accused of something by women that later recanted their story. These women need real jail time and a large financial penelty.
One night a friend had a knock on the door and there was family services telling him they had a complaint he was abusing his kids.(he wasn't) and either he left his home immediately or they would take his kids. They refused to tell him even who made the complaint. Turns out it was his then mother-in-law who was just stirring up shit. Nothing happened to her. She didn't even have to pay for his forced hotel stay.
 

White_Unifier

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Look how many good men have had their carreers ruined by being falsely accused of something by women that later recanted their story. These women need real jail time and a large financial penelty.
One night a friend had a knock on the door and there was family services telling him they had a complaint he was abusing his kids.(he wasn't) and either he left his home immediately or they would take his kids. They refused to tell him even who made the complaint. Turns out it was his then mother-in-law who was just stirring up shit. Nothing happened to her. She didn't even have to pay for his forced hotel stay.

Oh I agree, but the person has to admit to it or there has to be proof beyond reasonable doubt of that too. In many cases, it turns out inconclusive either way. They can't prove he raped her or molested the child and they also can't prove that she lied or that the child was coaxed. Many cases turn out to be a draw simply due to lack of evidence. I oppose rape-shield laws since they increase the risk of a wrongful conviction. But guess what. I also oppose lowering the burden of proof for perjury too, and for the same reason. Where does that leave us? With many acquittals and no convictions.
 

taxslave

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In the case I mentioned the mother-in-law admitted she made the whole thing up.That has also happened to severalmhigh profile cases in the news over the last several years.
 

MHz

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The world doesn't revolve around you and your family, you do though and the solutions are not the same.
 

White_Unifier

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Power corrupts the people vulnerable to corruption who then prey on the vulnerable.
These coaches are demented and sick beyond wording.

While statistics do show a correlation between childhood abuse and adult predatory behaviour, you can't assume that every child victim will abuse children in turn and so their experience does not excuse their behaviour. It might be a factor to consider I suppose, but never should we treat it as inevitable since that tacitly excuses the behaviour.
 

MHz

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zPUUliE5hI (feel free to change the names, life altering event is the message)

'you can't assume that every child victim will abuse children in turn and so their experience does not excuse their behaviour.'
The past is why the present is the present, no sexual abuse as a child no sexual abuse of children when that person is an adult, normally. You do not get a 2nd invitation to Orgy Island and the rewards that goes with it once you are back on the mainland. That is what Cuba's destiny was before they revolted so at least one side was reluctant to abuse that was 'one sided'. The victims taken ti the island are killed, as a move that was planned from the very first move.
There are 3 part to the whole story and to keep it simple I will use the RCC as their shepherd/flock relationship as it is quite close to parent/child one. When abuse happens in the home today to a low level family the whole unit is blown apart and the people devastated for the rest of their lives. The rich are never subject to any of that and both parties are considered 'special' and they rise in power in society and if they balk they are rejected.

Why would you come up with an effective treatment when lifelong misery is used to keep the abused 'in-line'?
Incest in it's 'normal form' is between a sexually aroused child and one of their natural parents. Let's go with that both enjoyed it and the other parent was 'aware', if not part of the it. Nobody is charged and all enjoy a prosperous life, . . . sort of. . . .
Target abuse would be something the Clergy would use and the 'abuse' is well planned out starting with the local Priest spotting a child with traits that can be harvested by the Clergy. A docile flock is desired rather than one that is well informed and vocal. Sending a 'certain Priest' with 'special skills' would be about as 'planned' as it could get. There is no admission that anything happened so the person from the flock is mocked and rejected by the clergy and most of the flock.