Council Member
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Location: Quebec
Location: Quebec
February 14th, 2007, 06:49 AM
Quoting m_levesque
Well here in the eastern township churches are empty. so empty that some go where there is mass in other villages.
I don't know where you live, but what you write is not true. The parishes in Montreal are full every Sunday. And yes, there are many that do not go to Mass, but still, the Church is hardly dying out in la belle provence.If you think otherwise, you are blind.
The Padre
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Location: Ontario
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February 14th, 2007, 07:06 AM
But they go to Mass, somehow, someway. Rather defeats your argument that the Church is losing membership. Don't make the mistake of assuming your small part of the country is the rule for the whole.
Quoting El Barto
Well here in the eastern township churches are empty. so empty that some go where there is mass in other villages.
But they go to Mass, somehow, someway. Rather defeats your argument that the Church is losing membership. Don't make the mistake of assuming your small part of the country is the rule for the whole.
Super Genius
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Location: Montréal, Québec
Location: Montréal, Québec
February 14th, 2007, 07:06 AM
Quoting m_levesque
Saguenay. And yes, it is.
I don't know where you live, but what you write is not true. The parishes in Montreal are full every Sunday. And yes, there are many that do not go to Mass, but still, the Church is hardly dying out in la belle provence.If you think otherwise, you are blind.
The Padre
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February 14th, 2007, 07:36 AM
) is that most of the Dioceses have issued instructions to the clergy to NOT allow them to be in any position which involves children. You should also realize the Church is like an army, not a democracy. So that, "instructions" are pretty much commands from on high.
And you're right about the new guidelines for entrance into Holy Orders. Having a homosexual inclination will automatically stop the process towards ordination. This was a decision by the Vatican a few years ago put into force by Pope John Paul 2nd.
Quoting marygaspe
Yes, men who profess themselves with a homosexual inclination can still work within the parish-but what is NOT known(I'll probably be beaten up by rabid nuns for admitting this
I'm not sure to be honest with you. Sanctus probably knows. I don't, by the way, mean to suggest I necessarily agree with the new revision to the guidelines. Traditionally celibacy would've been enough. I guess with the scandals the Church went drastic.It was approved and pushed through by Pope John Paul 2nd.
) is that most of the Dioceses have issued instructions to the clergy to NOT allow them to be in any position which involves children. You should also realize the Church is like an army, not a democracy. So that, "instructions" are pretty much commands from on high.And you're right about the new guidelines for entrance into Holy Orders. Having a homosexual inclination will automatically stop the process towards ordination. This was a decision by the Vatican a few years ago put into force by Pope John Paul 2nd.
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February 14th, 2007, 08:38 AM
Don't tell me whats going on in my back yard. Of course in MTL the churches are filled thats because theres more people around to fill them dah! I see the cars parked outside,not as much as before, that speaks for itself. But then again I'm not in MTL so I don't know there. The news here doesn't speak of a rise followers. Anything else is wishful thinking.
Quoting sanctus
well I don't use polls and stats and percentange to hide behind. You can make numbers say anything you want it all depends on what your looking for. Churches here are less than half full or not at all.
But they go to Mass, somehow, someway. Rather defeats your argument that the Church is losing membership. Don't make the mistake of assuming your small part of the country is the rule for the whole.
Don't tell me whats going on in my back yard. Of course in MTL the churches are filled thats because theres more people around to fill them dah! I see the cars parked outside,not as much as before, that speaks for itself. But then again I'm not in MTL so I don't know there. The news here doesn't speak of a rise followers. Anything else is wishful thinking.
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Location: Eastern Ontario
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February 14th, 2007, 10:58 AM
I try to stay away from the politics of Church..being an Anglican I am only one step off course from the R.C. church. I do have difficulty with many early desisions that are wrapped up as God given...Feel a lot of "what would Jesus do" Not sure he wouldn't be trashing many churches if he was here in Human form right now.
Quoting sanctus
Yes Sanctus, and to a point that is my problem with some churches and the catholic church in particular. If there were really decree's from high that is one thing, but thwey are not, They are earthly decree's by earthly people telling others how to conduct themselves...To me this seems a bit of "Give Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and give god what belongs to God"
Yes, men who profess themselves with a homosexual inclination can still work within the parish-but what is NOT known(I'll probably be beaten up by rabid nuns for admitting this ) is that most of the Dioceses have issued instructions to the clergy to NOT allow them to be in any position which involves children. You should also realize the Church is like an army, not a democracy. So that, "instructions" are pretty much commands from on high.
And you're right about the new guidelines for entrance into Holy Orders. Having a homosexual inclination will automatically stop the process towards ordination. This was a decision by the Vatican a few years ago put into force by Pope John Paul 2nd.
) is that most of the Dioceses have issued instructions to the clergy to NOT allow them to be in any position which involves children. You should also realize the Church is like an army, not a democracy. So that, "instructions" are pretty much commands from on high.And you're right about the new guidelines for entrance into Holy Orders. Having a homosexual inclination will automatically stop the process towards ordination. This was a decision by the Vatican a few years ago put into force by Pope John Paul 2nd.
I try to stay away from the politics of Church..being an Anglican I am only one step off course from the R.C. church. I do have difficulty with many early desisions that are wrapped up as God given...Feel a lot of "what would Jesus do" Not sure he wouldn't be trashing many churches if he was here in Human form right now.
Clever Clogs
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February 14th, 2007, 11:01 AM
Quoting El Barto
But you are being small-minded. Your small area is not the whole world or the whole of the Church. Hide behind figures and statistics? You'd rather rely on prejudice and rumours?
well I don't use polls and stats and percentange to hide behind. You can make numbers say anything you want it all depends on what your looking for. Churches here are less than half full or not at all.
Don't tell me whats going on in my back yard. Of course in MTL the churches are filled thats because theres more people around to fill them dah! I see the cars parked outside,not as much as before, that speaks for itself. But then again I'm not in MTL so I don't know there. The news here doesn't speak of a rise followers. Anything else is wishful thinking.
Don't tell me whats going on in my back yard. Of course in MTL the churches are filled thats because theres more people around to fill them dah! I see the cars parked outside,not as much as before, that speaks for itself. But then again I'm not in MTL so I don't know there. The news here doesn't speak of a rise followers. Anything else is wishful thinking.
Clever Clogs
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February 14th, 2007, 11:03 AM
Quoting ottawabill
Good point. During the height of the scandals a few years ago, many of us who were devout and loyal were distressed and confused, as you can imagine. There was a hold on the priests and they were not even allowed to discuss the situation with their own parishioners. It was shameful. does it mean I love my Church less? No, but I had serious issues with the men running it at the time. When the last Pope issued his new guidelines for entrance into the priesthood, I am shamed to say many of us felt glad. We made the mistake of thinking the worst would be over. But reality sets in and we realized that having homosexual inclinations does not necessarily make one a child-molester.
Yes Sanctus, and to a point that is my problem with some churches and the catholic church in particular. If there were really decree's from high that is one thing, but thwey are not, They are earthly decree's by earthly people telling others how to conduct themselves...To me this seems a bit of "Give Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and give god what belongs to God"
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February 14th, 2007, 11:05 AM
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
Quoting marygaspe
Comming from you of being small minded ha ha ha
But you are being small-minded. Your small area is not the whole world or the whole of the Church. Hide behind figures and statistics? You'd rather rely on prejudice and rumours?
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
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Location: Eastern Ontario
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February 14th, 2007, 11:10 AM
Quoting El Barto
and what makes someone typically Christain??? I love how the world should be so pigeon holed for some...makes life easier to cope with???
Comming from you of being small minded ha ha ha
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
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February 14th, 2007, 11:14 AM
Any other easy questions?
Quoting ottawabill
yes it does and she addmited to being catholic I do believe, she's no muslim or jewish sochristian seems to fit the bill.
and what makes someone typically Christain??? I love how the world should be so pigeon holed for some...makes life easier to cope with???
Any other easy questions?
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February 14th, 2007, 11:17 AM
Quoting El Barto
in principle, marygaspe is right. It IS smallminded of someone to think that their part of the world is representative. I'm pretty sure, though, that in places like canada and the UK church attendance is on the decline. certainly in all the places i have lived (more likely to be representative than one place, but still not necessarily true) churches have been derelict unused or underused. even in sacre coeur in paris the congregation during a service was miniscule. It's quite likely that attendance is going up overall though, as the world is a big place with a lot of people who seek comfort in religion
Comming from you of being small minded ha ha ha
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
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February 14th, 2007, 11:25 AM
It certanly depends where you live!! My Anglican church in a Rural village of 1000 souls in Eastern Ontario has been growing and is one of the healthiest in Ontario for percentage population and growth. Lots of kids, lots of young adults, it's good to see.
Therefore the decline is not overall. The message of God is relavent and clear, but somethimes the messenger must change their ways to get this clear message out.
It certanly depends where you live!! My Anglican church in a Rural village of 1000 souls in Eastern Ontario has been growing and is one of the healthiest in Ontario for percentage population and growth. Lots of kids, lots of young adults, it's good to see.
Therefore the decline is not overall. The message of God is relavent and clear, but somethimes the messenger must change their ways to get this clear message out.
