#121
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 13th, 2007
They are accepted in lay positions are they not? Apparently some of my info is outdated. Good thing I posted with a ? mark.
The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
#122
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnight
I'm not sure to be honest with you. Sanctus probably knows. I don't, by the way, mean to suggest I necessarily agree with the new revision to the guidelines. Traditionally celibacy would've been enough. I guess with the scandals the Church went drastic.It was approved and pushed through by Pope John Paul 2nd.They are accepted in lay positions are they not? Apparently some of my info is outdated. Good thing I posted with a ? mark.
#123
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 13th, 2007
There is still a difference between homosexuality and pedophilism. The latest scandal in Ontario had a "straight" molester. I can see the RC church calling homosexuality a sin but even the RC church must differentiate between sin and crime. I can see a devout RC taking refuge in orders to escape the temptation to engaging in homosexual acts but does a pedophile do so as well? Or are pedophiles more sinister and actually plotting to be in a place of trust to "troubled" children or trusting parents?
#124
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus
The Church in Quebec, like most of Canada, is in a process of realingement, but it is not yet ready to bite the dust. Statcan gives the population of the province as just over 7 million people, 51/2 million of which identify themselves as Catholic. Masses are well attended, and in fact there is a slight increase in attendance the past few years. The school system is still full of children, and the dioceses are reporting an increase in vocations to the priesthood. We have been over the worst, and are heading towards a stabilization in the Church in Canada.
There isnt any Catholic School system. If there is, the number of students probably isnt over 2000. I've never seen 1 church fill up for mass(Or even at half capacity). Except on Christmas. I identify myself as Catholic, havnt attended one church in years. That means nothing. And you know it. The fact that people still identify as Catholic, is only a remenant of tradition. Most don't practice, don't attend mass, and do not practice the teachings of the religion. If you can prooce otherwise, then I have an open ear. But I doubt you can.
#125
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Numure
I don't know where you live, but what you write is not true. The parishes in Montreal are full every Sunday. And yes, there are many that do not go to Mass, but still, the Church is hardly dying out in la belle provence.If you think otherwise, you are blind.There isnt any Catholic School system. If there is, the number of students probably isnt over 2000. I've never seen 1 church fill up for mass(Or even at half capacity). Except on Christmas. I identify myself as Catholic, havnt attended one church in years. That means nothing. And you know it. The fact that people still identify as Catholic, is only a remenant of tradition. Most don't practice, don't attend mass, and do not practice the teachings of the religion. If you can prooce otherwise, then I have an open ear. But I doubt you can.
#126
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnight
Saddly, research by the Church internally suggests just that, that in the liberalization of the Church seen in the 60's and 70's many men sought the priesthood to hide behind the skirts of the Church. Naturally, their lust overcame them as people cannot hide from a problem as you know. Holy Mother Church took a knee-jerk reaction to the sex scandals of a few years ago.There is still a difference between homosexuality and pedophilism. The latest scandal in Ontario had a "straight" molester. I can see the RC church calling homosexuality a sin but even the RC church must differentiate between sin and crime. I can see a devout RC taking refuge in orders to escape the temptation to engaging in homosexual acts but does a pedophile do so as well? Or are pedophiles more sinister and actually plotting to be in a place of trust to "troubled" children or trusting parents?
#127
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by m_levesque
Well here in the eastern township churches are empty. so empty that some go where there is mass in other villages.I don't know where you live, but what you write is not true. The parishes in Montreal are full every Sunday. And yes, there are many that do not go to Mass, but still, the Church is hardly dying out in la belle provence.If you think otherwise, you are blind.
#128
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto
Well here in the eastern township churches are empty. so empty that some go where there is mass in other villages.
But they go to Mass, somehow, someway. Rather defeats your argument that the Church is losing membership. Don't make the mistake of assuming your small part of the country is the rule for the whole.
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#129
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by m_levesque
Saguenay. And yes, it is.I don't know where you live, but what you write is not true. The parishes in Montreal are full every Sunday. And yes, there are many that do not go to Mass, but still, the Church is hardly dying out in la belle provence.If you think otherwise, you are blind.
#130
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Numure
You are saddly mistaken, and your perspective is not in keeping with recent trends and statistics, some of which I just posted in another thread.Saguenay. And yes, it is.
#131
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by marygaspe
Yes, men who profess themselves with a homosexual inclination can still work within the parish-but what is NOT known(I'll probably be beaten up by rabid nuns for admitting thisI'm not sure to be honest with you. Sanctus probably knows. I don't, by the way, mean to suggest I necessarily agree with the new revision to the guidelines. Traditionally celibacy would've been enough. I guess with the scandals the Church went drastic.It was approved and pushed through by Pope John Paul 2nd.
) is that most of the Dioceses have issued instructions to the clergy to NOT allow them to be in any position which involves children. You should also realize the Church is like an army, not a democracy. So that, "instructions" are pretty much commands from on high.And you're right about the new guidelines for entrance into Holy Orders. Having a homosexual inclination will automatically stop the process towards ordination. This was a decision by the Vatican a few years ago put into force by Pope John Paul 2nd.
#132
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus
well I don't use polls and stats and percentange to hide behind. You can make numbers say anything you want it all depends on what your looking for. Churches here are less than half full or not at all.But they go to Mass, somehow, someway. Rather defeats your argument that the Church is losing membership. Don't make the mistake of assuming your small part of the country is the rule for the whole.
Don't tell me whats going on in my back yard. Of course in MTL the churches are filled thats because theres more people around to fill them dah! I see the cars parked outside,not as much as before, that speaks for itself. But then again I'm not in MTL so I don't know there. The news here doesn't speak of a rise followers. Anything else is wishful thinking.
#133
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus
Yes Sanctus, and to a point that is my problem with some churches and the catholic church in particular. If there were really decree's from high that is one thing, but thwey are not, They are earthly decree's by earthly people telling others how to conduct themselves...To me this seems a bit of "Give Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and give god what belongs to God"Yes, men who profess themselves with a homosexual inclination can still work within the parish-but what is NOT known(I'll probably be beaten up by rabid nuns for admitting this
And you're right about the new guidelines for entrance into Holy Orders. Having a homosexual inclination will automatically stop the process towards ordination. This was a decision by the Vatican a few years ago put into force by Pope John Paul 2nd.
I try to stay away from the politics of Church..being an Anglican I am only one step off course from the R.C. church. I do have difficulty with many early desisions that are wrapped up as God given...Feel a lot of "what would Jesus do" Not sure he wouldn't be trashing many churches if he was here in Human form right now.
#134
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto
But you are being small-minded. Your small area is not the whole world or the whole of the Church. Hide behind figures and statistics? You'd rather rely on prejudice and rumours?well I don't use polls and stats and percentange to hide behind. You can make numbers say anything you want it all depends on what your looking for. Churches here are less than half full or not at all.
Don't tell me whats going on in my back yard. Of course in MTL the churches are filled thats because theres more people around to fill them dah! I see the cars parked outside,not as much as before, that speaks for itself. But then again I'm not in MTL so I don't know there. The news here doesn't speak of a rise followers. Anything else is wishful thinking.
#135
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by ottawabill
Good point. During the height of the scandals a few years ago, many of us who were devout and loyal were distressed and confused, as you can imagine. There was a hold on the priests and they were not even allowed to discuss the situation with their own parishioners. It was shameful. does it mean I love my Church less? No, but I had serious issues with the men running it at the time. When the last Pope issued his new guidelines for entrance into the priesthood, I am shamed to say many of us felt glad. We made the mistake of thinking the worst would be over. But reality sets in and we realized that having homosexual inclinations does not necessarily make one a child-molester.Yes Sanctus, and to a point that is my problem with some churches and the catholic church in particular. If there were really decree's from high that is one thing, but thwey are not, They are earthly decree's by earthly people telling others how to conduct themselves...To me this seems a bit of "Give Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and give god what belongs to God"
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#136
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by marygaspe
Comming from you of being small minded ha ha ha But you are being small-minded. Your small area is not the whole world or the whole of the Church. Hide behind figures and statistics? You'd rather rely on prejudice and rumours?
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
#137
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto
Nicely evasiveComming from you of being small minded ha ha ha
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
#138
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto
and what makes someone typically Christain??? I love how the world should be so pigeon holed for some...makes life easier to cope with???Comming from you of being small minded ha ha ha
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
#139
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by marygaspe
practicing to be a politician so I can tax the church to death lolNicely evasive
#140
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by ottawabill
yes it does and she addmited to being catholic I do believe, she's no muslim or jewish sochristian seems to fit the bill. and what makes someone typically Christain??? I love how the world should be so pigeon holed for some...makes life easier to cope with???
Any other easy questions?
#141
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007
some peoples kids yeesch
#142
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto
in principle, marygaspe is right. It IS smallminded of someone to think that their part of the world is representative. I'm pretty sure, though, that in places like canada and the UK church attendance is on the decline. certainly in all the places i have lived (more likely to be representative than one place, but still not necessarily true) churches have been derelict unused or underused. even in sacre coeur in paris the congregation during a service was miniscule. It's quite likely that attendance is going up overall though, as the world is a big place with a lot of people who seek comfort in religionComming from you of being small minded ha ha ha
i've seen your post the kettle calling the pot black, typically christian of you thank you
#143
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007
It certanly depends where you live!! My Anglican church in a Rural village of 1000 souls in Eastern Ontario has been growing and is one of the healthiest in Ontario for percentage population and growth. Lots of kids, lots of young adults, it's good to see.
Therefore the decline is not overall. The message of God is relavent and clear, but somethimes the messenger must change their ways to get this clear message out.
Therefore the decline is not overall. The message of God is relavent and clear, but somethimes the messenger must change their ways to get this clear message out.
#144
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007
the anglican church wasn't the original issue , the catholics in quebec was
#145
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007
well spotted el barto. although generally i feel if a post deviates, let it deviate
#146
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007
CERTAINLY MOST OF THESE POSTS GET OFF TRACK AND TAKE MINDS OF THEIR OWN, The orginal track of this post really had not much to do with the Catholic religon, more about a group of people suggesting that they want no interference with their way of life. The only thing the Church has to do with it is the fact that most of these small town Quebecers had water sprinkled on their heads when they were born and show up maybe once or twice a year to a Christmas and Easter mass...and funeral..R.C. ways are more traditional in Quebec rather than a practice.
#147
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 14th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus
Aren't priests supposed to be celibate anyway? What is the big difference between a celibate homosexual and a celibate heterosexual?And you're right about the new guidelines for entrance into Holy Orders. Having a homosexual inclination will automatically stop the process towards ordination. This was a decision by the Vatican a few years ago put into force by Pope John Paul 2nd.
#148
Re: The town of Herouxville, Que., wants immigrants that fit in with its citizens
Feb 15th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts
Not all priests are celibate. If they're married they can have sexual relations with their wives.Aren't priests supposed to be celibate anyway? What is the big difference between a celibate homosexual and a celibate heterosexual?
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