#1Dec 3rd, 2010
Is there security, psychologically?
#2
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
Bit of a vague question.... care to elaborate?
What kind of security are you talking about (what security relates?)
Psychologically..... could mean a number of things.
What kind of security are you talking about (what security relates?)
Psychologically..... could mean a number of things.
#3
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
Preaxius
Hi Praxsius
Praxius-
Psychologically..... could mean a number of things
Not really , by psychological security I mean anything put together by thought .
Hi Praxsius
Quote:
To exist/ live intelligently we all need some kind of physical security- like clothing ,food , shelter and so on]Bit of a vague question.... care to elaborate?
What kind of security are you talking about (what security relates?)
Praxius-
Psychologically..... could mean a number of things
Not really , by psychological security I mean anything put together by thought .
Last edited by china; Dec 3rd, 2010 at 08:12 AM..
#4
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
Hello China - as always a conundrum of a question for the readers...
As Praxius relates there are a number of "security issues" protecting our reactive selves as you know and I believe the ones most commonly used might be relaxation and meditation which clears a path throughout our minds and bodies which
might relate to "acceptance". While acceptance is not necessarily a comforting response, often it is the only successful
one in a world where anxiety seems to be a daily companion for many in our world.
Anxiety can be a detriment to the functioning of our whole mind and body as it experiences life in various stages of what seems to be unplanned in many cases even though we all strive to find our righteous place here on earth.
We can only accept and attempt "change" within ourselves unless we have power to change a situation which may present danger and/or fear in another or self. One positive affirmation might be the assurance situations do move into new ones and often we have picked up a bit
of knowledge along the way while we were being "challenged". Eventually security or resolution seems to fall back into place.
I believe with all my heart mankind was created for positive, forward evolution, demonstrating a higher being of thought and problem solution - when we began fear - we began killing and maiming each other.
If we can only get back to basic trust - but I am a dreamer I know....and I will not live long enough to see it happen I am sure.
P.S.: Hi China! I see you hopped onto Praxius' query before my own response was printed out - I think we agree - I know I do with your response.
As Praxius relates there are a number of "security issues" protecting our reactive selves as you know and I believe the ones most commonly used might be relaxation and meditation which clears a path throughout our minds and bodies which
might relate to "acceptance". While acceptance is not necessarily a comforting response, often it is the only successful
one in a world where anxiety seems to be a daily companion for many in our world.
Anxiety can be a detriment to the functioning of our whole mind and body as it experiences life in various stages of what seems to be unplanned in many cases even though we all strive to find our righteous place here on earth.
We can only accept and attempt "change" within ourselves unless we have power to change a situation which may present danger and/or fear in another or self. One positive affirmation might be the assurance situations do move into new ones and often we have picked up a bit
of knowledge along the way while we were being "challenged". Eventually security or resolution seems to fall back into place.
I believe with all my heart mankind was created for positive, forward evolution, demonstrating a higher being of thought and problem solution - when we began fear - we began killing and maiming each other.
If we can only get back to basic trust - but I am a dreamer I know....and I will not live long enough to see it happen I am sure.
P.S.: Hi China! I see you hopped onto Praxius' query before my own response was printed out - I think we agree - I know I do with your response.
#5
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
Hi CurioToo
Every time you place a new picture on the avatar , You look younger and younger .
I,ll be sixty next year and I 'demand ' to know Your secrete CurioToo.
Every time you place a new picture on the avatar , You look younger and younger .
I,ll be sixty next year and I 'demand ' to know Your secrete CurioToo.
#6
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
Sure there is....
If
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
Kipling
If
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
Kipling
#7
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
You might want to look up The Wisdom of Insecurity by Allan Watts. Security is a myth and the striving for it can drive you nuts. Learning to be in the moment is the only way to eliminate anxiety.
#8
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by china
Hi China Hi CurioToo
Every time you place a new picture on the avatar , You look younger and younger .
I,ll be sixty next year and I 'demand ' to know Your secrete CurioToo.
The avatars I use are not of me - I'm one of those people who hesitate to put up too much personal stuff and pictures are included in
that....
You are wearng your age well! I thought you much younger. CurioToo
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
CliffyYou might want to look up The Wisdom of Insecurity by Allan Watts. Security is a myth and the striving for it can drive you nuts. Learning to be in the moment is the only way to eliminate anxiety.
Watts' book was my guide to coming out of a terrible experience when young and turning it into a career where I found I could live through trauma, learn more about my world and myself and find a place where I might belong and contribute.
It was one of the most inspiring books I have had the good fortune to read - and it came at a most advantageous time for me thanks for a friend who loaned it to me. CurioToo
#9
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
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I think peace of mind is a far better goal than security of the ego...
I think peace of mind is a far better goal than security of the ego...
#10
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Petros--
I think peace of mind is a far better goal than security of the ego...
Now that stopped me up short - but I see what you are writing - never occurred to me peace of mind is not necessarily comfortable
ego.....they can be different too ..... grrrrrrrrrrrrr back to square one!
#11
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
......... and I 'd say that the mind or 'me' or Ego are different terms of same phenomena.
#12
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
The ego is a personified creation of the mind. A mind at peace wouldn't have an ego to worry about keeping secure.
#13
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010Quote:
.....and all of the above are a product of one thing ...The Thought... which is a response of your Memory which is an accumulation of your knowledge your emotions, your feelings ......etc.The ego is a personified creation of the mind. A mind at peace wouldn't have an ego to worry about keeping secure
No thought -no memory ; no memory no thought.
Is there a psychological security .
#14
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
That would be your mind that processes the info which is what the ego reacts to which sets off the emotions.
#15
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by petros
That would be your mind that processes the info which is what the ego reacts to which sets off the emotions.
Quote:
ok,As I've stated above : thought is the response of your memory; memory is the accumulated "staff" of whatever you think about, feel about ( feelings ,emotions...).If you exclude these two ,there is nothing else .That would be your mind that .....
What is mind petros ?
Is there a psychological security .
#16
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
If you're worried, you're thinking about it ... insecure. No worries? Peace of mind. Sounds pretty close to secure to me....
#17
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
lone wolf
Is there a psychological security ?
Quote:
You have just described two types of "church goers".you're thinking about it ... insecure. No worries? Peace of mind.
Is there a psychological security ?
#18
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by china
I don't go to church. lone wolf
You have just described two types of "church goers".
Is there a psychological security ?
Is yours a rhetorical question?
#19
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
The less parnoid you are the more secure you are.
#20
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
The mind is a product of its environment. Psychology is reaction of the mind to its environment. The ego is a product of our minds when we were totally dependent as a young child in an environment that was (to our young minds) dangerous and intimidating. From the ego is produce various personalities that we wear when confronted with various types of social exchanges to get what we want from them. Psychological security is an oxymoron because psychology is born of insecurity. Shedding oneself of the ego and learning to be totally present in the moment is the only security there can be.
#21
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Dec 3rd, 2010Quote:
Different people go for different reasons ; psychological security they find being a part of a congregation and being supported by it ; the Church being a segment of their culture they were brought up in ...something that one "has to do" ; some people don't go to Church ...for different reasonsI don't go to church.
Quote:
For those who don't search / reason for an answer, it always is.Is yours a rhetorical question?
#22
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
That's why you tend to questions without answers is it?
#23
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Dec 3rd, 2010Quote:
Hey petros , to bad you never heard of Howard Hughes .The less parnoid you are the more secure you are.
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#24Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by china
Just wondered :....Is there security, psychologically and if so ...why ?
YouTube - Krishnamurti - Is there security psychologically - 3 of 4
Huh???
#25
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Dec 3rd, 2010
lone wolf
Quote:
If I had the answers -what would be the reason to question......?That's why you tend to questions without answers is it?
#26
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by china
It's the best way to gather up responses for ridiculelone wolf
If I had the answers -what would be the reason to question......?
#27
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 3rd, 2010
ironside
Unfortunately he is DEAD besides never being a member of CCF.
My questions are addressed to the "living" membership of the CCF
Is there a psychological security ?
lone wolf
Quote:
YES , Krishnamurti was a great man with many great questions and many great answers .Quote: Originally Posted by china
Just wondered :....Is there security, psychologically and if so ...why ?Huh???
Unfortunately he is DEAD besides never being a member of CCF.
My questions are addressed to the "living" membership of the CCF
Is there a psychological security ?
lone wolf
Quote:
What ?.......you really must be very lonely -wolf .It's the best way to gather up responses for ridicule
Last edited by china; Dec 3rd, 2010 at 10:34 PM..
#28
Re: Is there security, psychologically?
Dec 4th, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by china
Not really but how interesting a conclusion to which you'd draw. Perhaps you have found the answer to your quest. Did you look inside to find that?ironside
YES , Krishnamurti was a great man with many great questions and many great answers .
Unfortunately he is DEAD besides never being a member of CCF.
My questions are addressed to the "living" membership of the CCF
Is there a psychological security ?
lone wolf
What ?.......you really must be very lonely -wolf .
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