B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....


Praxius
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Officials are considering setting fire to an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico as efforts to stem a leak from a rig that exploded and sank are failing.

The coast guard is concerned that, unless controlled, the leak could cause one of the worst spills in US history.

The "controlled burn" could start later far from shore, said Coast Guard Rear Adm Mary Landry, who is in charge of the US clean-up effort.

She said work on sealing leaks using robotic submersibles could take months.

About 1,000 barrels (42,000 US gallons; 35,000 imperial gallons) of oil a day have been gushing into the sea since an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon platform last week caused the rig to sink.

Eleven of the rig's workers are still missing and presumed dead in the disaster off the Louisiana coast.

Adm Landry warned that if the well was not secured soon, "this could be one of the most significant oil spills in US history".

Controlled burn

A "controlled burn" would involve setting fire to an area of petroleum trapped by special containment booms on the water's surface. Environmental experts say birds and animals are more likely to escape a burning patch of water than an oil slick, although toxic fumes could endanger wildlife.

"We fully understand there are benefits and tradeoffs," said Adm Landry.

But she noted that with the spill moving toward land, the impact on Louisiana's coastline, which contains some 40% of the nation's wetlands and spawning grounds for countless fish and birds, had to be considered.

Controlled burns had been tried and tested before, and had been shown to be "effective in burning 50 to 95% of oil collected in a fire boom", she said......

What are your thoughts?

Good idea to burn or do you know of a better idea?
 
TenPenny
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Oil burns.
We have a problem with an oil slick in the Gulf.
Try burning it.

Sounds like a good plan to me. We have no objection to burning oil in other places, so I'd say the sooner the better.
 
lone wolf
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They can't skim oil from the surface?

There go the gas prices again....
 
mabudon
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Good old fire- if this happens today I am SO watching the news tonight
 
Mowich
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The burn is scheduled to start in less than an hour from now. I will certainly be watching it. I had to laugh when the reporter stated that no wildlife would be injured. Someone must be able to communicate with all the marine life.
 
mabudon
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Aquaman, no doubt
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by mabudonView Post

Aquaman, no doubt

No doubt. LOL!
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by mabudonView Post

Good old fire- if this happens today I am SO watching the news tonight

Too funny.
 
Liberalman
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Americans love that burning sensation
 
Risus
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Burning the slick won't solve the real problem, they haven't been able to turn off the leak.
 
AnnaG
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Sop it up and feed it to oil co. execs.
 
ironsides
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Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post


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What are your thoughts?

Good idea to burn or do you know of a better idea?

Sounds like a good idea, have to contain or stop it somehow.
 
gopher
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I guess that because of this disaster we won't be hearing from too many right wingers as to how we absolutely must have more oil drilling or the known world will come to an abrupt end. It will be interesting to see how much BP will pay for it and how much subsidization the government will continue to give it.
 
mabudon
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Well I dunno what the price tag would be for something like this, but whatever it is, looks like it's going up

U.S. may send in troops as Gulf oil spill worsens - thestar.com
 
Liberalman
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Since it's far from land it's a good idea but if they can't put out the fire by the time it gets to shore especially near a city then it would turn into a catastrophic event.
 
mabudon
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It's not far from land any more, it's making landfall currently with high winds and thunderstorms expected
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by mabudonView Post

It's not far from land any more, it's making landfall currently with high winds and thunderstorms expected

CNN is predicting that the environmental impact of this slick could be worse than that of the Exon Valdez spill. What a horrible price we pay in order to drive our cars, heat our homes and transport goods.
 
mabudon
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Definitely agreed, this is going to be a gigantic mess- and from the articles I've read, it's going to be 3+ months before the actual flow can be stopped. Given that it's only been a week and already the slick is looking unstoppable, that's going to be 3+ months of ongoing disaster
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by mabudonView Post

Definitely agreed, this is going to be a gigantic mess- and from the articles I've read, it's going to be 3+ months before the actual flow can be stopped. Given that it's only been a week and already the slick is looking unstoppable, that's going to be 3+ months of ongoing disaster

You betcha, mabudon. They discovered yet another leak yesterday so who knows how many more might be found. Glad to read that BP's shares are really taking a hit over this. Apparently they have lost about 25 billion since the spill was announced. Looks good on the a**holes.

You know the old saying 'never trust a politician?'. I say never trust the CEO of an oil company as they lie as easily as they breathe.
 
mabudon
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The thing I really don't understand is why an operation with such massive implications has NO effective, proven contingency plan for such a thing.

I am inclined to believe that BP just may be playing a bit of a waiting game- like, that there are a few options that exist but have not been made public- probably drastic options that would hinder further use of this obviously oil-rich location- some kind of concrete "mausoleum" similar to the one used in Chernobyl comes to mind.

Either way, it'll be black times on the coast for some time now.
 
Mowich
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Quote: Originally Posted by mabudonView Post

The thing I really don't understand is why an operation with such massive implications has NO effective, proven contingency plan for such a thing.

I am inclined to believe that BP just may be playing a bit of a waiting game- like, that there are a few options that exist but have not been made public- probably drastic options that would hinder further use of this obviously oil-rich location- some kind of concrete "mausoleum" similar to the one used in Chernobyl comes to mind.

Either way, it'll be black times on the coast for some time now.

CNN is just reporting that there was no 'blow-out preventer' which is standard on most rigs. Gotta wonder why they didn't and what the lack of same will mean to any lawsuits.
 
Northboy
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I have a feeling this oil spill and the consequences to the biosphere might have historic economic and other impacts.
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by NorthboyView Post

I have a feeling this oil spill and the consequences to the biosphere might have historic economic and other impacts.

You think? Up to 5000 gallons a day is the latest estimate (by the owner) on the amount being spewed into the gulf. So far all they are doing is sopping up the thickest area and spreading dispersants. The rest will wander about the gulf creating a hazard.
 
Praxius
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Well they originally stated it was spewing 1000 barrels a day, but up'd that to 5000 barrels a day as of yesterday. I believe last night they did claim this is predicted to be the worst oil disaster in US history.... and it's not even close to being over.

It is also stated that the company that owns the rig will most certainly be responsible for footing the bill for the cleanup and everything else that's connected to this disaster.

Which they said will certainly reach into the billions.

And as of today, I guess Obama put a halt on anymore oil expansion down there.

Obama halts new drilling after Gulf spill
CBC News - World - Obama halts new drilling after Gulf spill

Here's some additional news:

Oil threatens Louisiana shore
CBC News - World - Oil threatens Louisiana shore

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.... As of Thursday, an estimated 800,000 litres (5,000 barrels) of sweet crude oil were leaking daily. BP officials say it could take as long as 90 days to stop the leak, meaning as many as 71.5 million litres could ultimately get into the water.....

..... London-based BP, which had contracted the drilling rig, is fully responsible for funding the cleanup, which is costing about $6 million US a day......

..... BP's stock market value has declined by roughly $25 billion US since the explosion.

 
mabudon
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Anna, the figure is actually more like 200,000 gallons per day, are you working for BP ??
 
Northboy
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaGView Post

You think? Up to 5000 gallons a day is the latest estimate (by the owner) on the amount being spewed into the gulf. So far all they are doing is sopping up the thickest area and spreading dispersants. The rest will wander about the gulf creating a hazard.

Loss of fisheriesLoss of allied industriesPossibly 10% reduction in trucking and transportStrapped State Government still working on KatrinaSocio political stuff--possible outcome mass protestAll on top of what the US already has on its plate.Anne, the historical consequences...Huge...
 
mabudon
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I get the feeling that Anna is fairly clear on the implications, the opening "Ya THINK??" kind of gave it away

That being said, , it sure is a nightmare that is unfolding. I hope nobody here is too fond of crawdads etc
 
ironsides
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaGView Post

You think? Up to 5000 gallons a day is the latest estimate (by the owner) on the amount being spewed into the gulf. So far all they are doing is sopping up the thickest area and spreading dispersants. The rest will wander about the gulf creating a hazard.

210,000 + gallons per day. They are predicting down here that this leak will exceed the Exxon Valdez incident within 50 days. It is the 50 day thing that is the big problem, guess no has any idea yet how to shut it down.
 
Praxius
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

210,000 + gallons per day. They are predicting down here that this leak will exceed the Exxon Valdez incident within 50 days. It is the 50 day thing that is the big problem, guess no has any idea yet how to shut it down.

As in the report I just posted, they predict it will take about 90 days to actually shut off the leak, which is predicted about 71.5 million litres will spill out before then.

CTV reporters last night on the shores said they could already smell the oil, so it's not far away.

Besides the ecological damage this will do, besides the money and man power that will be used to try and stop/fix this.... the sheer economic destruction this will do to the local fishing industry will be pretty devastating to local business, both in the fishing and sailing industry. Which means plenty will be out of a job for a while until this all clears up, tourism will be toast, and overall.... this is one big screw up.
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by mabudonView Post

Anna, the figure is actually more like 200,000 gallons per day, are you working for BP ??

Quote: Originally Posted by ironsidesView Post

210,000 + gallons per day. They are predicting down here that this leak will exceed the Exxon Valdez incident within 50 days. It is the 50 day thing that is the big problem, guess no has any idea yet how to shut it down.

I believe Praxius answered you guys' comment about why I said 5000 gallons/day. And I did put in brackets that this claim was by the owner, which might have given you a clue that I didn't believe it.

Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

Well they originally stated it was spewing 1000 barrels a day, but up'd that to 5000 barrels a day as of yesterday. I believe last night they did claim this is predicted to be the worst oil disaster in US history.... and it's not even close to being over.

 

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