Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

dumpthemonarchy

#1Jun 14th, 2009

A CTV "debate" fizzles as HCHR head said she would not appear with Ezra Levant on TV. What they wanted and what they got was a completely controlled discussion with no rebuttals and no give and take between two individuals. This is one of the basis of democracy. Ezra Had to be silent while the CHRC person was asked questions. Then Ezra got his chance to speak. Ezra was all specifics, CHRC all generalities. The CHRC did not want to appear at all with Ezra, but the CTV did not agree-good for CTV.

The CHRC has shown they don't know what free speech is so they cannot regulate it. So, it's time to abolish the CHRC. Game over.

The CTV show Power Play.
Power Play : Friday, June 12
(it loads really slow)

dumpthemonarchy

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

I was on the fence regarding the CHRC until I saw this video. Then it tipped me against them because I was appalled at their arrogant attitude.

johnnyhangover

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Agreed. All the necessary human rights are covered in the charter. All this comission does is stifle free -albeit ignorant- speech. All they do is try and prevent people from being offended. It's ridiculous.

Niflmir

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

He who has a hammer sees every problem as a nail.

Why seek remedial solutions when one has punitive ones?

There are better ways of righting wrongs than the justice system.

Niflmir

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyhangover

Agreed. All the necessary human rights are covered in the charter. All this comission does is stifle free -albeit ignorant- speech. All they do is try and prevent people from being offended. It's ridiculous.

Maybe you need to read the charter. And pay particular attention to the very first section.

What good are rights without protecting said rights? Who amongst us thinks that rights do not sometimes conflict or that some rights are absolute?

johnnyhangover

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

He who has a hammer sees every problem as a nail.

Why seek remedial solutions when one has punitive ones?

There are better ways of righting wrongs than the justice system.

based on what you posted i'm not sure if you are for or against the commission. surely you aren't implying the commission dishes out justice?

Niflmir

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyhangover

based on what you posted i'm not sure if you are for or against the commission. surely you aren't implying the commission dishes out justice?

The commission does nothing but act as a door keeper for the tribunal? Are you conflating the two?

johnnyhangover

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

Maybe you need to read the charter. And pay particular attention to the very first section.

What good are rights without protecting said rights? Who amongst us thinks that rights do not sometimes conflict or that some rights are absolute?

uh, that's PRECISELY why we have the judiciary. and what about the first section gives you a headache?

Niflmir

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyhangover

uh, that's PRECISELY why we have the judiciary. and what about the first section gives you a headache?

Nothing. However, it implies that things like the commission are permissable and desirable.

Niflmir

#10

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyhangover

uh, that's PRECISELY why we have the judiciary.

See, you have a hammer: every problem is a nail.

johnnyhangover

#11

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

The commission does nothing but act as a door keeper for the tribunal? Are you conflating the two?

can you please stop answering questions with questions and just clarify your point of view? thanks in advance.

Niflmir

#12

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyhangover

can you please stop answering questions with questions and just clarify your point of view? thanks in advance.

I think you support censorship.

johnnyhangover

#13

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

See, you have a hammer: every problem is a nail.

uh, no. you've completely missed it. every problem is NOT a "nail", as the commission would have us believe. Many issues the commission deals with are not human rights violations, and so are not worthy of the judiciary OR the commission, even though they would have us believe they are. If someone's human rights have truely been violated then the courts are more than capable of handing down a decision.

johnnyhangover

#14

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

I think you support censorship.

based on what?

Niflmir

#15

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyhangover

uh, no. you've completely missed it. every problem is NOT a "nail", as the commission would have us believe. Many issues the commission deals with are not human rights violations, and so are not worthy of the judiciary OR the commission, even though they would have us believe they are. If someone's human rights have truely been violated then the courts are more than capable of handing down a decision.

Do you mean the tribunal? Certainly many of the cases heard by the commission are not violations and this is why they do not send it to the tribunal.

The hammer is the justice system and its punitive solutions which the tribunal does not dish out. The tribunal seeks remedial solutions.

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyhangover

based on what?

Based on the fact that I don't hear you clamoring for changes to our libel laws.

Socrates the Greek

#16

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate,

That is a scary thought as well the gateway to a revolution.

johnnyhangover

#17

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir

Do you mean the tribunal? Certainly many of the cases heard by the commission are not violations and this is why they do not send it to the tribunal.

The hammer is the justice system and its punitive solutions which the tribunal does not dish out. The tribunal seeks remedial solutions.

Based on the fact that I don't hear you clamoring for changes to our libel laws.

First, libel laws have nothing to do with human rights.

Second, If human rights have been violated, the violator is guilty under the charter. If the tribunal is seeking "remedial" solutions, it's because someone offended someone else, but didn't violate there charter rights. this makes them useless.

Third, by your logic the tribunal would seek "remedial" solutions for things like genocide and other hate crimes.

sillyness.

Niflmir

#18

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyhangover

First, libel laws have nothing to do with human rights.

Ok, we cannot continue this conversation due to your ignorance. Go read up on libel lawsuits and people arguing that they violate section 2 of the charter and the courts agreeing with them.

Here, I have done your work for you.

johnnyhangover

#19

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

read your own link, clearly there are 2 seperate charges. one for libel, and one for violation of freedom of expression. nowhere in the freedom of expression charge does it mention libel.

i await your apology.

JLM

#20

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Where the hell is S.J. when we need him, he knows all there is to know about all that stuff

dumpthemonarchy

#21

Re: Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate

Jun 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the Greek

Time to Abolish Cdn Human Rights Commission, They Hate Debate,

That is a scary thought as well the gateway to a revolution.

Revolution by who? I will guess by people like me. I'm not that revolutionary I think. It didn't take a revolution to install Human Rights Commissions across the country, so why would it take one to abolish them? HRCs were installed through legislation, which most don't consider revolutionary actions.

HRCs should not be used to prevent free speech. For jobs and housing they have a role and do a decent job in BC as they stay within firm boundaries and few complain about them in the province. If you read some cases in BC, which are on the web, some of the cases are very sad.

The fed HRC in Ottawa preaches tolerance but they don't practice it, so they have nullified their existence. Hoisted on their own petard. And on video!!!

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