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Apr 5th, 2009
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Apr 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch
Stretch, it was established, without a doubt...some years ago I might add, that that picture was taken weeks after the event and well after Firefighters and Rescue workers had begun cutting steel to aid in its removal to facilitate the recovery of the bodies of missing personel.Scientists find active 'super-thermite' in WTC dust
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Jones has told Visibility911.com, "In short, the paper explodes the official story that 'no evidence' exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings."
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The core column shown above the firefighter was discovered after the collapse. The angled cut occurs in exactly the manner that shaped charges slice through steel beams to control the way they fall. Notice the hardened once liquid metal. Was thermite used with the shaped charge?
As to the 'discovery' of nano thermite...bs...
From your link...
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My dog reminds me of a cat too...“These observations reminded us of nano-thermite fabricated at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and elsewhere; available papers describe this material as an intimate mixture of UFG[Ultra-fine grain] aluminum and iron oxide in nano-thermite composites to form pyrotechnics or explosives.
I also followed the link from that site, to the sourse article, then downloaded the full version. I'm still reading it, but unfortunately, 'nano thermite', is still well inside the 'experimental' stage of its life. Not to mention it's capacity falls far short of being able to cut sideways and through 1" steel columns. Besides that, the heat needed to ignite it and the device in which you would need to process cuts of that magnitude, far surpass the capabilities of a far greater incinderary, thermite.
But hey, don't let fact ruin your 'rationalised technology' theories.
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Apr 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
I believed you right up till you claimed to be reading.Stretch, it was established, without a doubt...some years ago I might add, that that picture was taken weeks after the event and well after Firefighters and Rescue workers had begun cutting steel to aid in its removal to facilitate the recovery of the bodies of missing personel.
As to the 'discovery' of nano thermite...bs...
From your link...
My dog reminds me of a cat too...
I also followed the link from that site, to the sourse article, then downloaded the full version. I'm still reading it, but unfortunately, 'nano thermite', is still well inside the 'experimental' stage of its life. Not to mention it's capacity falls far short of being able to cut sideways and through 1" steel columns. Besides that, the heat needed to ignite it and the device in which you would need to process cuts of that magnitude, far surpass the capabilities of a far greater incinderary, thermite.
But hey, don't let fact ruin your 'rationalised technology' theories.
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Apr 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
I believed you right up till you claimed to be reading.
Funny, I've never believed you.
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Apr 6th, 2009
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There it is people… thermite where no thermite was supposed to be and which we were told was not present but is indeed present and that means what? Well, it means a few things. It means that the people behind 9/11 who are in charge of the governments of the United States, Israel and Great Britain are going to have to have another 9/11 kind of event to counteract the brushfire that this report is going to cause around the world. The days of being able to block out the publics right to know are gone. This is going to get legs. This is something that can’t be spun.
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There it is people… thermite where no thermite was supposed to be and which we were told was not present but is indeed present and that means what? Well, it means a few things. It means that the people behind 9/11 who are in charge of the governments of the United States, Israel and Great Britain are going to have to have another 9/11 kind of event to counteract the brushfire that this report is going to cause around the world. The days of being able to block out the publics right to know are gone. This is going to get legs. This is something that can’t be spun.
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Apr 6th, 2009
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In a study published by the Open Chemical Physics Journal -- a peer-reviewed, scientific publication -- Steven E. Jones and Niels Harrit level a stark allegation: that within the dust and rubble of the World Trade Center towers lays evidence of "a highly engineered explosive," contrary to all federal studies of the collapses.
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A reader pointed out that this story is no longer showing on Raw Story's main page.
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In a study published by the Open Chemical Physics Journal -- a peer-reviewed, scientific publication -- Steven E. Jones and Niels Harrit level a stark allegation: that within the dust and rubble of the World Trade Center towers lays evidence of "a highly engineered explosive," contrary to all federal studies of the collapses.
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A reader pointed out that this story is no longer showing on Raw Story's main page.
I wonder why, given its obvious importance!
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Apr 6th, 2009
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007
Abstract We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
Keywords: JScanning electron microscopy, X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy, Differential scanning calorimetry, DSC analysis, World Trade Center, WTC dust, 9/11, Iron-rich microspheres, Thermite, Super-thermite, Energetic nanocomposites, Nano-thermite Affiliation: Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Copenhagen, DK-2100, Denmark.
Abstract We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
Keywords: JScanning electron microscopy, X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy, Differential scanning calorimetry, DSC analysis, World Trade Center, WTC dust, 9/11, Iron-rich microspheres, Thermite, Super-thermite, Energetic nanocomposites, Nano-thermite Affiliation: Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Copenhagen, DK-2100, Denmark.
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Apr 6th, 2009
It was an inside job on every scale.
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
of course it was....having studied secret societies for a number of yrs before 911, I had been expecting them to pull something that would capture the worlds attention.....as I watched it all unfolding on tv the hair on the back of my neck was standing up and I was thinking "holy ****, they actually did it".It was an inside job on every scale.
wonder what the nay-sayers will be saying..............
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Apr 6th, 2009
Naysayers? The 30% who are too arrogant to admit they've been had and post stuff about aliens?
No shortage of that around.
No shortage of that around.
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Apr 6th, 2009
This is all the proof I needed.
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Apr 6th, 2009
These are creative conspirators, that thermite may have alien origins, as a matter of fact it will definately be blamed on aliens before it is officially accepted as an inside job. Thankyou petros
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Apr 6th, 2009
well... there you have it...conclusive proof that the u.s. blew up their own towers and their own people for nefarious reasons. I, for one, am glad that it is all out in the open now. So this should mean that we don't need to weigh through any more of this "proof". The door can now be closed.
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Apr 6th, 2009
instead of trying to justify why they wouldn't do such a thing try asking yourself why would they would. The "why they would" column is overwhelming compared to the "why not."
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Apr 6th, 2009
I didn't know that termites would eat steel, but I guess if I read it on the net, it must be true.
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
I didn't know that termites would eat steel, but I guess if I read it on the net, it must be true.
That's why their called "super" or "magic" termites.
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
Yep...I was not convinced until I read this thread about Magic Thermite Dust.well... there you have it...conclusive proof that the u.s. blew up their own towers and their own people for nefarious reasons. I, for one, am glad that it is all out in the open now. So this should mean that we don't need to weigh through any more of this "proof". The door can now be closed.
Close the book on it... they were right all along.
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by petros
This is where I type...instead of trying to justify why they wouldn't do such a thing try asking yourself why would they would. The "why they would" column is overwhelming compared to the "why not."
ROFL
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Apr 6th, 2009
And this is where I type..."I feel sorry for you."
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Yep...I was not convinced until I read this thread about Magic Thermite Dust.
Close the book on it... they were right all along.
and I have heard that there are eye witness accounts seeing peter pan sprinkling the magic thermite dust all over the towers just before they fell.
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Really?And this is where I type..."I feel sorry for you."
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you guys.
If you actually research what these asshats are talking about. I mean go outside their community and research. You will find that 'nano-thermite' though real. Is in it's development stages. It's applications will consist of heat signature flare decoys and molecular welding, it lacks the ummpf of regular thermite. The only reason these C/T meatheads even brought it up, is because when a real scientist final got them to listen and understand how much thermite would be needed to bring down the WTC, they had to retreat. Not to mention the simple fact that thermite is drastically effected by gravity. Thus the need for huge devices to hold and aim any incindiary at the colomns would be needed. None exists and even those dreamed up would be so emense, you couldn't hide enough of them in the Towers.
It really is simple science. If one really wants to find the truth, stop believing what other people tell you, including me. Go do some research of your own. Avoid drawing conclusions from books on the subjects. Use them to assertain what information you need to research.
Then go find a scientific journal. An impartial one. Not one of these seudo journals that sprung up since 9/11. They were created just to support the C/T theories.
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
Really?
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Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you guys.
If you actually research what these asshats are talking about. I mean go outside their community and research. You will find that 'nano-thermite' though real. Is in it's development stages. It's applications will consist of heat signature flare decoys and molecular welding, it lacks the ummpf of regular thermite. The only reason these C/T meatheads even brought it up, is because when a real scientist final got them to listen and understand how much thermite would be needed to bring down the WTC, they had to retreat. Not to mention the simple fact that thermite is drastically effected by gravity. Thus the need for huge devices to hold and aim any incindiary at the colomns would be needed. None exists and even those dreamed up would be so emense, you couldn't hide enough of them in the Towers.
It really is simple science. If one really wants to find the truth, stop believing what other people tell you, including me. Go do some research of your own. Avoid drawing conclusions from books on the subjects. Use them to assertain what information you need to research.
Then go find a scientific journal. An impartial one. Not one of these seudo journals that sprung up since 9/11. They were created just to support the C/T theories.
Ok Bear.....now that's enough....these fine gentlemen have researched there itty bittty hearts out and come up with ALL the information you need. It's a closed book now. No need to go researching anymore....no need to post anymore..... it's all been figured out. Hallelujah, after 8 years we now have the definitive answers, and we can all move on to something else.
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
No real thermite just nano thermate? Too funny dude.Really?
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Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you guys.
If you actually research what these asshats are talking about. I mean go outside their community and research. You will find that 'nano-thermite' though real. Is in it's development stages. It's applications will consist of heat signature flare decoys and molecular welding, it lacks the ummpf of regular thermite. The only reason these C/T meatheads even brought it up, is because when a real scientist final got them to listen and understand how much thermite would be needed to bring down the WTC, they had to retreat. Not to mention the simple fact that thermite is drastically effected by gravity. Thus the need for huge devices to hold and aim any incindiary at the colomns would be needed. None exists and even those dreamed up would be so emense, you couldn't hide enough of them in the Towers.
It really is simple science. If one really wants to find the truth, stop believing what other people tell you, including me. Go do some research of your own. Avoid drawing conclusions from books on the subjects. Use them to assertain what information you need to research.
Then go find a scientific journal. An impartial one. Not one of these seudo journals that sprung up since 9/11. They were created just to support the C/T theories.
Just incase you want learn something....
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Apr 6th, 2009
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have a boo at thermate not being used on 911
have a boo at thermate not being used on 911
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
LOL...I had moved on...sorta, then I came back online...Ok Bear.....now that's enough....these fine gentlemen have researched there itty bittty hearts out and come up with ALL the information you need. It's a closed book now. No need to go researching anymore....no need to post anymore..... it's all been figured out. Hallelujah, after 8 years we now have the definitive answers, and we can all move on to something else.
When I was offline, I was laid up for a while, so I read and read and read some more. Everybody kept bringing me books and magizines, lol.
I had my own developed conclusions of what happened on 9/11. But it wasn't until I started to read some of the C/T theories that I started to question the science behind the 'official version'. That's what prompted me to do some serious digging of my own. Low and behold, if you stop listening to other peoples opinions and thinking they're fact. You find the 'official version', actually more plausible then the C/T theories.
Since 9/11, there have been numerous pseudo scientific journals sprout out of the wood work. All claiming peer review and the highest standard. Unfortunately, most are published by small companies that do not fact check, before publication. In fact most have a disclaimer in the first pages, saying..."The views and studies expressed in this publication, are the sole property of the persons involved and in no way supported or affirmed by the publisher".
Find me that disclaimer in any respected scientific journal.
Sure, there are all sorts of unanswered questions. There should be and people shouldn't stop asking them or researching them because the 'official version' was published. An event of this magnitude should not go quietly into the history books.
But the clincher is, use real science for **** sakes. The pseudo science, 'rationalised technology and hyperbole these C/T's use is pure hogwash. In most cases, out right lies. Like the pic in the OP. The time line, which can be traced right back to the photographer that took the picture weeks after the excavation began. Can easily be found. The use of it, in the context of which it is being used here, is a bold faced lie.
It discredits real objective researchers and people who question the 'official version'.
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Apr 6th, 2009
yer just a troll Bear....just a troll....go give jenn some lessons...she needs em.
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Apr 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by petros
I suggest you reread the OP, then reread my posts Petros. You've made a major error in what you think I said.No real thermite just nano thermate?
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I kind of like you Petros, so I'm going to give you the chance to retract this, or face me at my worst. Your choice.Too funny dude.
Just incase you want learn something....
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Now to tear apart those video's...
First, note the amount of thermite needed to cut through the hood of the car, the engine block is never shown, so as far as I'm concerned, it wasn't cut...
But lets assume it was...
What direction was the cut made in?
Gravity did all the work. Did you notice how it is a violent reaction, not easily contained. Now try and imagine a device that could hold that energy to an upright column, for the full duration of the cut needed to weaken or shear the column.
There is not such device.
Did you notice the ignition method?
Thermite requires incindiary ignition. It CAN NOT BE ELECTRONICALLY DETONATED!!!
Thus remote blasting caps are out.
So I guess Bush had someone running through the building light wicks.
Anyways Petros. I have much to learn in life. But I'm probably the most knowledgable person on substances like thermite on this site (By going out and looking to learn about this kind of stuff, that's how I roll), save for Tonnington or Dexter.
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