Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
And who is the owner in this situation?
Oh and just because you follow a paticular religion doesn't default you to being the owner.
Since it is my parents old TV, you would be charge with theft and some judge would probably tell you to return it...sound familiar?
I didn't steal it, I am fighting in the courts to claim that the TV should be mine due to an emotional or related connection to that paticular model. If the courts hand me your parents TV based on that reasoning, you can't charge me for theft.
Maybe I didn't explain that part clearly.
As for the historical significance, I would say that if it was 300 years old, it would probably have some historical significance.
And how did you come to that number of 300 years? What if it was 299? Why not 25 years? 50 years?
Then again, if you want to use 300 as an example of when something has historical significance, the report only claims they date back to the 18th century..... that could be from 201 years ago to 300 years ago, give or take 9 years or so. So if the documents dated back to only 1710, then they're only 299 years old and not really historically significant are they?
But then again, all of that is quite subjective, which was the point I was originally trying to make. You may think something 300 years old should only have historical significance.... but something that dated back to say, the 60's or WWII wouldn't?
This is where more flaws come into your argument. Your parents TV that I claim to the courts holds significance to me, historically, could have been one of the very first models of television, which in itself would have some pretty big significance if you ask me..... it's not 300 years old, but someday it might be.
But once again, who gets the right to claim ownership and based on what? Your parents might have paid for the tv.... and Russia might have paid for these documents. But if I or this Jewish community claims that their more important to us..... we should simply be given it?
I don't think so.
OK...put the doobie down and back away from the computer.
Why? Things getting too complicated for you to defend?
You didn't answer the question.... if you can't answer the question and want to avoid questions by making smart *** remarks about someone doing drugs, then why am I even bothering to pay any attention to you?
Stop being so childish.
I'll ask it again.... what other valid reasons do these people have for claiming ownership other then following the same religion?
Yes but I also believe that the rightful owner should be the one to decide.
But if that is the case, then once again, who is the rightful owner of these items? Who has been taking care of these items for so long now?
This is a typical adoption situation. Mother A gives child up for adoption (or Mother A looses child somehow) - Mother B comes along and adopts/Decides to take care of child. Years go by and the child is almost an adult. Suddenly mother A decides to get involved and claims they should have a say on how the child should continue their lives, when clearly Mother A didn't give a rats *** about the child until now, all the while Mother B put all the time and sacrafice into protecting, educating and rasing the child.
Who has the right? In my view, Mother B. In this situation, Russia. If these guys really wanted these items for historical siggy, then why are they only wanting them now that Russia plans to sell/auction them off?
A money grab, plain and simple.
...and history is yesterday not next Sunday...I thought I told you to put the doobie down.
I never said it was next Sunday..... who's the one smoking what now? Try and stay on track.... focus, focus..... geez. It aint' complicated.
I have no idea. Why did aboriginals wait so long before fighting their land claims? Why do any crime victims delay before searching out help.
The natives have been fighting since forever over territory claims. And why do crime victims delay before searching out help? That's an obvious answer.... but what do you have to base this group as being anything similar to a victim in this situation? How has Russia victimized these people?
Because Russia has documents that come from the same religion as they do? How does this directly victimize these people? Or are you planning to blame them for all the bad things that happened to the Jews in WWII and therefore that is enough justification to give them whatever they want?
...and that isn't what it appears happened here so the point of your analogy is what?
It is explained within the post you quoted. If you included the rest of what I said to that line of text, you might actually understand.
Last edited by Praxius; Jan 26th, 2009 at 11:42 AM..