Christmas should be banned, says Lefty Labour think-tank

Blackleaf

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Political Correctness in Britain has hit a new low after the PC-obsessed Labour Government's favourite Left-Wing think-tank said that Christmas should be "downgraded" and people should do more to celebrate festivals of other faiths, such as Eid and Hannukah.

The Tories have condemned this, with their community cohesion spokesman Sayeeda Warsi - a Muslim - saying ""You don't build community cohesion by throwing out our history and denying the fundamental contribution Christianity has played and does play to our nation. "

Christmas should be 'downgraded' to help race relations says Labour think tank

By JAMES CHAPMAN
1st November 2007
Daily Mail

Christmas should be downgraded in favour of festivals from other religions to improve race relations, says an explosive report.

Labour's favourite think-tank says that because it would be hard to "expunge" Christmas from the national calendar, 'even-handedness' means public organisations must start giving other religions equal footing.

The leaked findings of its investigation into identity, citizenship and community cohesion also propose:


• "Birth ceremonies", at which state and parents agree to "work in partnership" to bring up children
• Action to "ensure access" for ethnic minorities to "largely white" countryside
• An overhaul of Britain's "imperial" honours system
• Bishops being thrown out of the House of Lords
• An end to "sectarian" religious education
• Flying flags other than the Union Jack.



Nativity scene: Christian celebrations in schools could become a thing of the past


The report by the Institute for Public Policy Research was commissioned when Nick Pearce, now head of public policy at Downing Street, was its director.

IPPR has shaped many Labour policies, including ID cards, bin taxes and road pricing.

The report robustly defends multiculturalism - the idea that different communities should not be forced to integrate but should be allowed to maintain their own culture and identities.

And it says immigrants should be required to acquire some proficiency in English and other aspects of British culture "if - but only if - the settled population is willing to open up national institutions and practices to newcomers and give a more inclusive cast to national narratives and symbols".

It adds: "Even-handedness dictates that we provide public recognition to minority cultures and traditions.

"If we are going to continue as a nation to mark Christmas - and it would be very hard to expunge it from our national life even if we wanted to - then public organisations should mark other religious festivals too.

"We can no longer define ourselves as a Christian nation, nor an especially religious one in any sense.

"The Empire is gone, church attendance is at historically low levels, and the Second World War is inexorably slipping from memory."


National celebration: But could Christmas soon be 'downgraded'?


The report, written by IPPR advisers Ben Rogers and Rick Muir, calls on Ministers to launch an "urgent and upfront campaign" promoting a "multicultural understanding of Britishness".

"Multiculturalism can be shown to provide for a fairer and more liberal society and does not necessarily lead to social division and community conflict, as its critics have claimed," it says.

Councils must act to "ensure children mix and are able to form friendships with pupils from different backgrounds".

The report adds: "Any liberal state should recast the civic oaths and national ceremonies, or institutions like Parliament and the monarchy, in a more multi-religious or secular form and make religious education less sectarian."

The presence of bishops in the House of Lords, for instance, is condemned as an "anachronism" that should be removed.

The system in which parents are required to register a new baby at a register office is dismissed as "purely bureaucratic".

The occasion should be transformed into a "public rite", using citizenship ceremonies for immigrants as a model, the report says.

"Parents, their friends and family and the state [would] agree to work in partnership to support and bring up their child."

Rural Britain, the report complains, "remains a largely white place".

Much more needs to be done to "ensure access" to the countryside for black and ethnic minority groups, disabled people and children from inner-city areas.

Sayeeda Warsi, the Conservative spokesman on community cohesion, said: "Their comments betray a breathtaking misunderstanding of what it is to be British. These proposals could actually damage cohesion."

She added: "You don't build community cohesion by throwing out our history and denying the fundamental contribution Christianity has played and does play to our nation.

"As a British Muslim I can see that - so why others can't just staggers me."

And she attacked ceremonies to mark the registration of a baby.

"The thought of Gordon Brown sharing responsibility with me for bringing up my children sends a shiver down my spine. I thought we got rid of communism?"

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shadowshiv

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Aye-yai-yai! When will political correctness finally reach it's peak? I have to say that it is getting to be a bit much.:roll:
 

damngrumpy

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I tend to be more left than right on most issues, but I don't agree with this idea at all. And further more most of the fuss about Christmas and calling the holidays, is not coming from other faiths either, they wonder why we have downgraded Christmas here. Think about this, the left or the NDP has never been in power nationally so one can hardly say the left embarked on that direction long time ago in Canada. The LIberals did it here, and they are neither left nor right, they just are.
There is no need to downgrade anyones celebrations and a think tank of any nature is a group of people stimulating discussion on a topic and is not necesarrily the official policy of an ideology.
Some discussions initiated by the Faser Institute a right wing think tank appear to be off the wall too, but again they stimulate discussion and bring forth new ideas, as does the left leaning council of canadians and so on.
 

s243a

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I think some grintch didn’t watch enough Disney Christmas movies growing up. :angryfire: I love Crhistmas.:wav:
 

Sal

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Meh, each to his own. Who is stopping other religions from celebrating their holiday? No one. We are though rapidly becoming a world nation so to speak. Things will evolve and thus change is a certainty.
 

gopher

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``And this is relevant because….??????????``


read Blackleaf's first few words: he is accusing the left of creating this problem when it is the right wing that is responsible for it
 

Sal

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``And this is relevant because….??????????``


read Blackleaf's first few words: he is accusing the left of creating this problem when it is the right wing that is responsible for it
heee, good point.
 

s243a

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``And this is relevant because….??????????``


read Blackleaf's first few words: he is accusing the left of creating this problem when it is the right wing that is responsible for it

So are you accusing Bush of advocating we ban Christmas???????? What is it your smoking?
 

karrie

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I say celebrate what you want. And if there's a market for the products surrounding your celebration, that's up to the retailers. And if there are people in your town and/or workforce who celebrate the holiday, let them display their symbols.

We should be celebrating MORE not LESS.
 

s243a

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I say celebrate what you want. And if there's a market for the products surrounding your celebration, that's up to the retailers. And if there are people in your town and/or workforce who celebrate the holiday, let them display their symbols.

We should be celebrating MORE not LESS.

I agree, we need to party more :)
 

gopher

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``So are you accusing Bush of advocating we ban Christmas???????? What is it your smoking? ``


Hell no!!

Just read what's posted and don't read into it.

Blackleaf accuses the left here and it is the right he should be accusing.

Goodness!
 

Curiosity

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My god next we'll be outlawing hugging in public again....and no more popcorn or ice cream!!!

The spirit of Christmas or Winterfest should be doubled to have another in Summer (Summerfest) because the spirit of giving and family gatherings and having friendships and good times together must continue to be a regular event in our sad little lives. It's when we can without embarrassment hug each other, feel silly and emotional and generally have good times with those we care about.

We are going to 'correct ourselves' into staying at home alone rocking away watching old movies on television showing us how 'it used to be' in the bad old days.

Politicizing genuine public affection (which Christmas often brings), is a fool's errand and will win few votes no matter what the ideology is.

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