U.S. security firm loses licence for again killing civilians

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What happens to private contractors who kill Iraqis?

Maybe nothing

Blackwater USA employees are accused of killing several civilians, but there might not be anyone with the authority to prosecute them.

By Alex Koppelman and Mark Benjamin




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An incident this past weekend in which employees of Blackwater USA, a private security firm that has become controversial for its extensive role in the war in Iraq, allegedly opened fire on and killed several Iraqis seems to be the last straw for Iraqi tolerance of the company. Iraqi government officials have promised action, including but not limited to the suspension or outright revocation of the company's license to operate in Iraq.

But pulling Blackwater's license may be all the Iraqis can do. Should any Iraqis ever seek redress for the deaths of the civilians in a criminal court, they will be out of luck. Because of an order promulgated by the Coalition Provisional Authority, the now-defunct American occupation government, there appears to be almost no chance that the contractors involved would be, or could be, successfully prosecuted in any court in Iraq. CPA Order 17 says private contractors working for the U.S. or coalition governments in Iraq are not subject to Iraqi law. Should any attempt be made to prosecute Blackwater in the United States, meanwhile, it's not clear what law, if any, applies.


"Blackwater and all these other contractors are beyond the reach of the justice process in Iraq. They can not be held to account," says Scott Horton, who chairs the International Law Committee at the New York City Bar Association. "There is nothing [the Iraqi government] can do that gives them the right to punish someone for misbehaving or doing anything else."

L. Paul Bremer, then the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, the initial occupation government of Iraq, issued CPA Order 17 in June 2004, the day before the CPA ceased to exist. "Contractors," it says, "shall not be subject to Iraqi laws or regulations in matters relating to the terms and conditions of their Contracts."

The Iraqi government has contested the continued application of this order, but because of restraints that inhibit the Iraqi government from changing or revoking CPA orders, Order 17 technically still has legal force in Iraq. Furthermore, as Peter W. Singer, an expert on private security contractors who is a senior fellow at the center-left Brookings Institute, points out, in order for the Iraqi government to prosecute those contractors, the U.S. government would have to accede to it. And that, Singer says, poses a whole new set of thorny questions.

"The question for the U.S. is whether it will hand over its citizens or contractors to an Iraqi court, particularly an Iraqi court that's going to try and make a political point out of this," Singer says. If the United States is not willing to do so because of concerns that the trial will be politically motivated, he adds, there's a new question at hand. "If we really say that openly, doesn't that defeat everything we heard in the Kabuki play last week with [General David] Petraeus and [U.S. Ambassador Ryan] Crocker, that everything was going great? What happens if we say, 'No, we don't think you can deal with this fairly in your justice system?'"


That leaves international and U.S. law. But international law is probably out. Even before the Bush administration, the United States had established a precedent of rejecting the jurisdiction of international courts. The United States is not, for example, a member of the International Criminal Court in the Hague. (In 2005, the government of Iraq announced its decision to join the court; it reversed that decision two weeks later.)

U.S. law, meanwhile, is hopelessly murky. More so than in any of America's previous conflicts, contractors are an integral part of the U.S. effort in Iraq, providing logistical support and performing essential functions that were once the province of the official military. There are currently at least 180,000 in Iraq, more than the total number of U.S. troops. But the introduction of private contractors into Iraq was not accompanied by a definitive legal construct specifying potential consequences for alleged criminal acts. Various members of Congress are now attempting to clarify the laws that might apply to contractors. In the meantime, experts who spoke with Salon say there's little clarity on what law applies to contractors like the ones involved in Sunday's incident, and the Bush administration has shown little desire to take action against contractor malfeasance.

In June of this year, the Congressional Research Service -- a nonpartisan research arm of Congress -- issued a report on private security contractors in Iraq that included a discussion of their legal status. The report's authors gave a bleak picture of prospects for prosecution under U.S. law, referring at one point to "the U.S. government's practical inability to discipline errant contract employees."

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fuzzylogix

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The company will reemerge under another name.

These companies are the US answer to the draft. Why get the flack from your own country about drafting soldiers to send. Go to really poor countries like Peru, and buy up a pile of people who look at the below minimum wage you are offering and think they have won the lottery. Then give them nice guns and send them to do the dirty work. It is really a bonus that when they are injured, you can just ship them back to their own country without supporting them, because they didnt read the small print on their contracts indicating that the company is not responsible for injury or death.
 

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From The Times
September 18, 2007
US security loses licence after civilians are killed in gun battle


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Martin Fletcher in Baghdad

Iraq revoked the licence of one of the biggest American security companies in the country yesterday after eight civilians died in a gunfight in Baghdad.
The Interior Ministry said that it would prosecute any foreign contractors working for Blackwater USA found to have used excessive force, and suggested that it would expel hundreds of other employees.
The move would be resisted strenuously by the US Government, whose security arrangements will be thrown into chaos if Blackwater can no longer operate in Iraq. The company has lucrative State Department contracts to protect hundreds of US government officials and dignitaries, including Ryan Crocker, the US Ambassador.
Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State, planned to telephone Nouri al-Maliki, the Iraqi Prime Minister, to express regret for the deaths and promise an investigation to ensure there would be no repeat. Mr Maliki called the shootings a “crime”.
http://tinyurl.com/2gz93e
 

#juan

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For the life of me I can't see a reason for the existence of security firms who are doing what the military should be doing. The main thing is that until now, they apparently have not been responsible to anyone.. There is a good chance that this latest charge will be quashed by the U.S. over the protests of the Iraqi government.
 

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For the life of me I can't see a reason for the existence of security firms who are doing what the military should be doing. The main thing is that until now, they apparently have not been responsible to anyone.. There is a good chance that this latest charge will be quashed by the U.S. over the protests of the Iraqi government.

Because you have no real scope of what is going on over there. Blackwater Sec. are body guards, security for installations, run convoy security, etc.

These men were ambushed, they killed insurgents and civillians died in the cross fire. And you are right... it will be quashed as it should. Blackwater will not leave that country anytime soon.
 
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The company will reemerge under another name.

These companies are the US answer to the draft. Why get the flack from your own country about drafting soldiers to send. Go to really poor countries like Peru, and buy up a pile of people who look at the below minimum wage you are offering and think they have won the lottery. Then give them nice guns and send them to do the dirty work. It is really a bonus that when they are injured, you can just ship them back to their own country without supporting them, because they didnt read the small print on their contracts indicating that the company is not responsible for injury or death.

Too bad it doesn't work like that. Blackwater is made up of former military and they get paid about 100,000 grand a year to start... each one.
 

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For the life of me I can't see a reason for the existence of security firms who are doing what the military should be doing. The main thing is that until now, they apparently have not been responsible to anyone.. There is a good chance that this latest charge will be quashed by the U.S. over the protests of the Iraqi government.
Juan,are you suggesting more coalition troops for Iraq? Way to go,I think you may have turned the corner.
 

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The victims have the international courts as a recourse and can sue under the Nuremburg tribunal precedents. Most likely, however, nothing will get done to redress their grievances.

Such is the inevitable consequences of Bush terrorism.
 

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Because you have no real scope of what is going on over there. Blackwater Sec. are body guards, security for installations, run convoy security, etc.

These men were ambushed, they killed insurgents and civillians died in the cross fire. And you are right... it will be quashed as it should. Blackwater will not leave that country anytime soon.

If you had any "scope" of what was going on over there you would know that Blackwater are simply very highly paid mercenaries who were originally hired in Iraq by Paul Bremer. I agree that the Iraqi Prime Minister's orders will be quashed by the U.S. military, which says a lot for how well that mess is going.
I wonder how the American soldiers feel about having these "contractors"do their job for four times the money?
 

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Too bad it doesn't work like that. Blackwater is made up of former military and they get paid about 100,000 grand a year to start... each one.
Yes the company is BlackWater and after the Iraqis conclude their investigation the Justice department could do their own where more than likely charges could be raised against the contractors in question..

Where was the outrage from the World when BlackWater contractors were murdered and their bodies were hung on a bridge and burned in Falluja?
Just a thought.. :roll:
 

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The only answer remains to send in a million U.S. troops. A few hundred thousand may have to die to get control of Iraq. But that's the price of war. Send them in NOW!

p.s. you will need a draft since the military is stretched beyond its capacity already.
 

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Yes the company is BlackWater and after the Iraqis conclude their investigation the Justice department could do their own where more than likely charges could be raised against the contractors in question..

Where was the outrage from the World when BlackWater contractors were murdered and their bodies were hung on a bridge and burned in Falluja?
Just a thought.. :roll:

No one forced them to work there.

Thousands upon thousands of Iraqis had no choice.

Blackwater is not the way to win the hearts and minds of Iraqis now is it?:roll:

The rolling train wreck called Bush continues to push ahead on it's looney war.
 

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The only answer remains to send in a million U.S. troops. A few hundred thousand may have to die to get control of Iraq. But that's the price of war. Send them in NOW!

p.s. you will need a draft since the military is stretched beyond its capacity already.

Good luck.

If this mess isn't working with a volentary military it won't with a forced one either.
 

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Too bad it doesn't work like that. Blackwater is made up of former military and they get paid about 100,000 grand a year to start... each one.

Yes, the few leaders in the top comfy safe offices back in the US:

Who are the majority of the "security workers" in Iraq:

www.worldpress.org/Americas/2853.cfm

or

www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12725
 

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The only answer remains to send in a million U.S. troops. A few hundred thousand may have to die to get control of Iraq. But that's the price of war. Send them in NOW!

p.s. you will need a draft since the military is stretched beyond its capacity already.

The war is already so expensive..draft won't make it any better.
But good thing is, Mr. president can just print more money.
 

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The war is already so expensive..draft won't make it any better.
But good thing is, Mr. president can just print more money.

I'm not talking about saving money here....

I am talking about securing a large country!!! Obviously they can't do it with the numbers of troops currently deployed.... it's been a complete SNAFU from the start! So do it right already America! If they are going to "win" this war, it is going to take a million soldiers and a few hundred thousand of them are going to have to die. Not to mention millions more Iraqis may die if they go that route.... but fighting a guerilla war with hardly any troops doesn't work.

Do they want to beat Iraq into submission or not?
 

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"The task of sustaining or increasing troop levels in Iraq has forced the Army to frequently violate its own deployment policy," Korb, a former assistant secretary of defense and now a harsh critic of the Bush administration's conduct of the war, told a congressional hearing on July 27. That has meant sending soldiers and reservists to combat zones two, three and even four times, and "short-cycling" units back into combat with as little as nine months between deployments, he said.
Korb and other military experts argue that the volunteer military, the Army in particular, was never intended to be stretched this far.
"The idea was that if you needed to, you'd reinstate the draft," he said.

While military families' views of the war vary, many feel that too few are being asked to sacrifice too much - a prominent theme among those who shared their thoughts with msnbc.com.
"If this "War on Terror" is the "War of this Generation" and Washington is not going to change that mission, then ... Washington needs to mobilize this nation through national service (conscription)," wrote a Gut Check America reader in Baton Rouge, La., who asked that his name be withheld because of concern that his remarks might cause trouble for his son, now in his second deployment to Iraq. "To have 1 percent of this nation's citizens bear 100 percent of that burden is morally reprehensible. 'Support the Troops' needs to be more than words to the other 99 percent of this nation's citizens."
"Our experience is that it's two different worlds - the one for everybody else, and the one for military families and service people," agreed Laura Stranlund of Amherst, Mass., whose son, Army Sgt. 1st Class Jonathan Miller, is on his third deployment since 2001. "Unless you've got skin in the game or know someone who does, it just doesn't seem to matter. America is at the mall."

Gut Check: Iraq War's Impact At Home