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#2
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
And do the census wonks give us a profile of Canada 25 and 50 years down the road as to what our population mix will look like if present immigration patterns continue? Surely, if we're baking a pie we should be entitled to see what the final product will look like. Those gungho on opening up the country have a responsibility to those here now as to what they're achieving by opening the gates. There should be a responsible immigration debate in the country and the 'reps' in Ottawa should be listening to what Canada's citizens want. And acting accordingly. And not. To put it bluntly, if current policy makers and their special interest buddies want the country to be 51% Chinese by 2075 I'd like to know about it.
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
do you know, when i saw this thread appear, i thought to myself "this one'll get going pretty soon... and i bet the first poster will be tamarin"
#4
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Yr a little smarter than I thought you were...yr getting better!
#5
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
I also would like to know what the face of our country will look like in the future. It will definetly be a changing face but what has to be looked at is what changes and in what ways.
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Sparrow, you're right. Canada is following an immigration approach that no other country is. That alone should raise a very large flag. We accept three times per capita what the States does and the US is known for its generosity.
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by tamarin
dont know which way to take that. I'll assume u think i'm a gorgeous genius.Yr a little smarter than I thought you were...yr getting better!
#8
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
We're all geniuses. Accept your gift and be proud!
#9
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
This country was founded by immigrants. We're not an old country, our natural birth rate is low, so we will continue to accept immigrants. Whats so hard to understand, unless we want to stagnate and shrink instead of grow, or increase the burden on taxpayers...
#10
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Tonington, it's not as simple as that and you know it. Immigration source countries have completely shifted and if this continues annually into the far future you will have a country that will be far different than the Canada seen 30 years ago or today. The question remains: are Canadians fully aware of any and all implications of becoming a far different country than what is seen today? What pressures will exist in 50 years on our current institutions, traditions and values that don't exist now? Actions have consequences. Canada is alone in pursuing immigration so aggressively. When you're a small population country huge change is possible within this century. I look at the recent uproar in Toronto over Hindus wanting to deposit their ashes in local rivers. It's a reminder that we should be fully aware of what can be expected over the next half century as growing and increasingly demanding non-traditional communities assert their interests. We are entitled to know exactly what it is we're getting into.
#11
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Immigration really isn't bad. What does it mean to be Canadian?
When someone asks me what Canadians eat, I have to ask them, which Canadians?
When someone asks me what festivals we have, I have to ask them, which Canadians?
When someone asks me what religion Canadians are, I have to ask them, which Canadians?
When someone asks me what a Canadian is, I remember just how singular my nation truly is.
Lest we forget:
When someone asks me what Canadians eat, I have to ask them, which Canadians?
When someone asks me what festivals we have, I have to ask them, which Canadians?
When someone asks me what religion Canadians are, I have to ask them, which Canadians?
When someone asks me what a Canadian is, I remember just how singular my nation truly is.
Lest we forget:
#12
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Great cartoon! There's many an aboriginal that rues the mistakes made by his forebears. The blighted reserves across Canada prove ample testimony for their views.
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by tamarin
Of course there will be changes. We will see demographical changes without new immigration as our population ages, as the growth in our country takes place in different areas, disproportionately so I might add. What implications is it that you are worried about? Lots of fear out there spread because of change. Our traditions and values are changing anyways, outwardly more so than inward. By that I mean as we become more diverse and secular, those traditions are removed from the public, does that make your traditions in your household prone to dissolution? I should hope not.Tonington, it's not as simple as that and you know it. Immigration source countries have completely shifted and if this continues annually into the far future you will have a country that will be far different than the Canada seen 30 years ago or today. The question remains: are Canadians fully aware of any and all implications of becoming a far different country than what is seen today? What pressures will exist in 50 years on our current institutions, traditions and values that don't exist now? Actions have consequences. Canada is alone in pursuing immigration so aggressively. When you're a small population country huge change is possible within this century. I look at the recent uproar in Toronto over Hindus wanting to deposit their ashes in local rivers. It's a reminder that we should be fully aware of what can be expected over the next half century as growing and increasingly demanding non-traditional communities assert their interests. We are entitled to know exactly what it is we're getting into.
Non-traditional communities, you mean like the Europeans who displaced the Natives? Do you think it fair that only Christian-European traditions be allowed? The moment I start depending on government and the public to protect my own traditions, is the day I've lost touch with my own, and my fault for allowing it to happen.
I should let it be known that to me Christmas for example is not Christian to me. Similar names, overlapping periods of time, but not the same. When does Christmas start now? After Halloween. My Christmas tradition is to spend time with my familly, share some gifts, laughs and good meals. My familly is Christian, but there is nothing Christian about how it is celebrated.
As to influences by incoming immigrants, who cares so long as they operate within the law. If they want to dump their ashes they had better do it within the proper legal channels. I do believe that we need to work better at integrating immigrants to our laws, they can keep their customs. So I do think immigration issues need to be dealt with, but immigration shouldn't be anything to fear. If you have a problem go to your MP.
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
And will that MP represent his constituents' views first or that of his party? And if he chooses the former will he be allowed to run in the next election given that party leaders approve all candidates? And if he chooses to represent his electors will he cede the right to any committee position and possible cabinet placement to others who aren't as responsive to their constituency? I might as well talk to the wall.
#15
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
If you feel that way there are other avenues. Organize your objections, raise awareness, there is a plethora of media out there to use at your dispense. Democracy is more than a simple vote that you get to use every couple of years, especially in this country where your rights as a citizen have been given to you via democracy. If people were willing to put forth any effort into what they believe, perhaps there wouldn't be so much cynicism when it comes to the democratic system we enjoy. It certainly seems better to all the immigrants who would rather leave their home countries behind.
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Mar 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude
But if your pic (avatar says anything), you need dental work badly. dont know which way to take that. I'll assume u think i'm a gorgeous genius.
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
........ we need to be more discerning about who stays and who doesn't.This country was founded by immigrants. We're not an old country, our natural birth rate is low, so we will continue to accept immigrants. Whats so hard to understand, unless we want to stagnate and shrink instead of grow, or increase the burden on taxpayers...
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by tamarin
Of course the country will be different.It's changing gradually all the time, anyway. A lot of immigrants come here because it is a better country than that they came from, which leads to the tendency to think that everything in Canada is just perfect. It ain't, but that's what they think. They need stability and change is antithetical to stability. So the people that started out being Canadian are trying to change things for the better, and a lot of newbies are trying to gain stability. Fisticuffs ensure (figuratively). The problem I want to get through to people is that the CIC is a detriment to Canadian society at this point.Tonington, it's not as simple as that and you know it. Immigration source countries have completely shifted and if this continues annually into the far future you will have a country that will be far different than the Canada seen 30 years ago or today. The question remains: are Canadians fully aware of any and all implications of becoming a far different country than what is seen today? What pressures will exist in 50 years on our current institutions, traditions and values that don't exist now? Actions have consequences. Canada is alone in pursuing immigration so aggressively. When you're a small population country huge change is possible within this century. I look at the recent uproar in Toronto over Hindus wanting to deposit their ashes in local rivers. It's a reminder that we should be fully aware of what can be expected over the next half century as growing and increasingly demanding non-traditional communities assert their interests. We are entitled to know exactly what it is we're getting into.
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Ditto that Les. I can't help but bring up that family in the detention center down south. 10 years and a child, with no wrong-doings and no citizenship for them. Contrast that with allowing criminals to stay here to escape punishment deemed as unjust...doesn't compute......... we need to be more discerning about who stays and who doesn't.
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Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by tamarin
.... or face being ignored by the party.And will that MP represent his constituents' views first or that of his party? And if he chooses the former will he be allowed to run in the next election given that party leaders approve all candidates? And if he chooses to represent his electors will he cede the right to any committee position and possible cabinet placement to others who aren't as responsive to their constituency?
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Yup.I might as well talk to the wall.
#21
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
I wanna add an anecdote here: across the lake from me is a Swiss fella who wanted to move to Canada and set up a business and hire a few Canucks to work the business. It took him years (and a lot of money on LD phone calls, visas, permits, reports in quadruplicate, and 400 other hoops the gov't threw at him) to get here.
On the other hand, there's an "artist" from Spain across the lake, also, and he simply applied for immigrant status, passed the required spelling test, and now lives here happy as a clam, getting drunk when he wakes up, staying drunk all day, and once in a while actually doing something artistic.
As Ton said, it doesn't compute. Nor does it bode well for Canada's future.
On the other hand, there's an "artist" from Spain across the lake, also, and he simply applied for immigrant status, passed the required spelling test, and now lives here happy as a clam, getting drunk when he wakes up, staying drunk all day, and once in a while actually doing something artistic.
As Ton said, it doesn't compute. Nor does it bode well for Canada's future.
#22
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Gilbert, we do need to be more cautious. If Canada felt more like a democracy I might be more comfortable thinking local views would carry to parliament. But there is a divorce between Ottawa and the 300 odd ridings that contribute to it as wide as the Atlantic. Parliament is agenda driven but whose agenda is it?
#23
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007Quote: Originally Posted by tamarin
Silly question. Parliamentarians have very little sense of service (except to themselves and their party), so because of that Parliament has little sense of service except to itself and whichever party is in it..Gilbert, we do need to be more cautious. If Canada felt more like a democracy I might be more comfortable thinking local views would carry to parliament. But there is a divorce between Ottawa and the 300 odd ridings that contribute to it as wide as the Atlantic. Parliament is agenda driven but whose agenda is it?
#24
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
And whose agenda are such parties in service to?
#25
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
I said "themselves".
#26
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Sounds like parliament is a large, self-interested leech. If so, our democracy has been compromised. In techno terms, we've been corrupted. Maybe Canadians should simply boycott the electoral system then. There's little self-respect in maintaining a system that simply debauches its supporters. We'll take a leaf from the Yanks: no elections without representation!
My MP will like this letter: we've decided there will be no local federal election held until we've fixed the mess you and your party and fellow parties have created. It is unthinkable to drop a writ until we give you the go ahead.
My MP will like this letter: we've decided there will be no local federal election held until we've fixed the mess you and your party and fellow parties have created. It is unthinkable to drop a writ until we give you the go ahead.
#27
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Boycott, no. Adopt a direct democracy or change electoral system, yes.
#28
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
I prefer a boycott. It'll be the easiest of the choices to implement. Like things simple.
#29
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
The easy way out is rarely the best way out. It's easy enough to depose leaders and implement democracy....There is something to be said for the hard fought battles. Change requires conviction and that conviction is not the easy way.
Edit: simple works for some things, I wouldn't say a change in governance is one of them.
Edit: simple works for some things, I wouldn't say a change in governance is one of them.
#30
Re: Immigration critical to Canadian population growth: census
Mar 13th, 2007
Boycott would be impossible to achieve. We almost have a boycott periodically. Pols and EC don't give a hoot. As long as there's a few who will vote anyway, the election will go forward.
Besides, what would happen after everyone boycotted? No elections ever again? Nice.
Besides, what would happen after everyone boycotted? No elections ever again? Nice.
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